Uzbekistan: On the bloody trail of Tamerlane

I strongly disagree with the opinion that My great ancestor - Tamerlane was maglomainac. The truth is that he executed only the soldiers that resisted, as any of the monarchs, countries of that times. It seems me unfair when Tamerlane is called like that just because he was non-european, and why Napoleon remains "white". And also the general opinion that assumes that Tamerlane and the "The Great Mongol Empire" (India) were both Mongols', whereas both Tamerlane and Bobur (who established the before mentioned empire) were actually Turks ( at that time that was big Turkish tribal people including: Turks, Uzbeks, Kyrgizs and many others)

Khurshid from Uzbekistan wrote:

I strongly disagree with the opinion that My great ancestor - Tamerlane was maglomainac. The truth is that he executed only the soldiers that resisted, as any of the monarchs, countries of that times. It seems me unfair when Tamerlane is called like that just because he was non-european, and why Napoleon remains "white". And also the general opinion that assumes that Tamerlane and the "The Great Mongol Empire" (India) were both Mongols', whereas both Tamerlane and Bobur (who established the before mentioned empire) were actually Turks ( at that time that was big Turkish tribal people including: Turks, Uzbeks, Kyrgizs and many others)

There was Mongol Horde, nothing to do with Babur who established MOGUL Empire. Also they were TURKIC. Also Babur left because of your ancestor - Shaibany Khan (Uzbek/TURKIC). I think you were misguided

Lolochka, Temur was u turckic man who was fighted against to mongols in big part of his life.
Bobur father is a turkic and his mather is a mongol.That means Bobur belongs to turkic people.
and its erroneous idea of western people that in india Bobur built a mongol empire.Lets don`t learn our history from west people.i don`t understand how u can go blind to believe that west people.

from Sam wrote:

Lolochka, Temur was u turckic man who was fighted against to mongols in big part of his life.
Bobur father is a turkic and his mather is a mongol.That means Bobur belongs to turkic people.
and its erroneous idea of western people that in india Bobur built a mongol empire.Lets don`t learn our history from west people.i don`t understand how u can go blind to believe that west people.

What a bulls..t! Could you please name those "mongols" Timur was fighting with?
Do you know that mongols also were turkic? It automatically canceles nonesense about Babur genealogy.
The FACT that Babur established powerful and civilized empire in India wasn't erroneous, my boy.
I don't even want to go into this discussion further, but please, think before you say something

"from Lola wrote:
Do you know that mongols also were turkic?"

Lolochka you probably have very poor knowledge of the history of your country. Besides that Mongols are not Tuks.

Oh yeah? Who where they? Maybe you will name them?
I would say that your english is not very good, but even in russian there is a difference between TUCS (whoever they are) and TURKIC people.
And believe me my knowledge and competence is very high

After Great Chingiz's sons and warriors took over today's Central Asia and Russia, although the elite and top military men were Mongols, they slowly shifted to Turkic language. They were many intermarriages between them, as long as with Persian-speaking (then partly local) people. That's why, we, today's Uzbeks, as the legacy holders of Great Empires (Great Uzbekkhan's Orda and Shaybani-led Uzbeks, who established three Khanates later) and (Timur's Enormous State and Babur's Empire in India), should be very pride of our Great History, whatever said by foreign travellers and their guides today.

UGIL wrote:

After Great Chingiz's sons and warriors took over today's Central Asia and Russia, although the elite and top military men were Mongols, they slowly shifted to Turkic language. They were many intermarriages between them, as long as with Persian-speaking (then partly local) people. That's why, we, today's Uzbeks, as the legacy holders of Great Empires (Great Uzbekkhan's Orda and Shaybani-led Uzbeks, who established three Khanates later) and (Timur's Enormous State and Babur's Empire in India), should be very pride of our Great History, whatever said by foreign travellers and their guides today.

I just want to remind you that the vast majority of information about our land was provided by "foreign travellers". At least three of them are: the Spanish Ambassador Clavijo (1404), the English merchant Jenkinson (16th century) and Robert Jefferson (1898) who rode his bicycle from London to Khiva.
The Uzbeks themselves emerged from Turco-Mongol tribes in the 14th century.
Back to our nice chap Timur: 17 million people died in a trial of blood and suffering, marked by pyramids of sculls, that surpassed even Mongol barbarity.
Khan Abul Khair united the nomadic Turco-Mongol tribes on the stepps of today's Kazakhstan. Later on, in 1512, his grandson Mohammed Shaybani defeated Timur's great-great-great-grandson BABUR, sending him south to found the Mogul Empire in India. During the 17th century the Uzbek clans continued to settle into oasis life, merging with the earlier inhabitants, Turkic and Iranian (Tajic), until the name Uzbek was used for the whole population.
You can develope this idea if you want