Bolivian president says U.S. behind Honduras coup

Why?They do not have oil,fruit yes and caffe,and what is other?U.S. had nothing to do with it.It was just the elite.

tquinnmikelson wrote:

Why?They do not have oil,fruit yes and caffe,and what is other?U.S. had nothing to do with it.It was just the elite.

The Obama Liberals in the Whitehouse have their own agenda and Honduras is not in their plans at all. It was a Honduran thing to remove their misled Leader. The only outside interference is coming from the Evil ALBA.

Talk like this is typical socialist rhetoric. Find someone else to blame for your failed policies so you can come out looking like a victim/winner. Fidel became a master at it. Chavez is following suit. Correa isn't far behind.

Evo will continue, as Hugo Chavez and others do, to blame the US for all their countries' failures because this is convenient for them. It takes the attention off their failed maneuvers and their followers completely believe it.

In addition, those who typically enjoy rooting for the underdog also buy into it. It's a convenient thing only, a lie and he knows it full well but he's become a master propagandist.

He didn't have a problem with the 'imperialist' US when he went begging to get the ATPDEA back. Apparently not even Evo believes his own B.S. or his words would be supported by his actions.

Roberto,yes i just want it back to normal.I just got back and they are scared.And all I can do is shake my head,and hope it will be OK..I'm going to take care of my kids and that is I can do.Quinn

tquinnmikelson wrote:

Roberto,yes i just want it back to normal.I just got back and they are scared.And all I can do is shake my head,and hope it will be OK..I'm going to take care of my kids and that is I can do.Quinn

But of course they are scared, everybody is: to do our best as parents can't mean much to them in a rut where daddy can be kidnapped in pajamas at 4 AM.

L-Am Arab Umt-asiniani wrote:

<quoted text>But of course they are scared, everybody is: to do our best as parents can't mean much to them in a rut where daddy can be kidnapped in pajamas at 4 AM.

Someone had to resist the evil ABLA that wanted to transform Free Honduras into another Cuba. The price of freedom isn't free. Do you really Zelaya is willing to die so he can just be a part of a 2-3 month democratic election process. He is so poisoned by ALBA that he can't be trusted. 2 days ago he was talking about an insurgency in Honduras to overthrow the gov. Come on get a grip. How gullible can we be?

The "Bolivian Bonehead" opens his mouth again. Evo has made a career out of blaming others for every problem in his life. Everything from riots in Pando to erectile dysfunction are US caused.

Why Obama is so desperate to get Zeyela reinstated is the true mystery. Now if only Bolivia, Ecuador and Venz would have coups, South Americans would regain some of their freedom....

It is funny,reading what we all say,we care.Bottom line.It is our people our children.and don't know what the f--- to do about it.This is just so scewed up.

The military dictatorship in Honduras is led by Micheletti and this facist is protecting the drug smugglers in congress and the supreme court. The elite congress members own mansions and sail yachts while 70% of the Honduran people suffer poverty and hunger. If these 5,250,000 compesinos grab their sharp machetes and marched on congress they would cure their sick minds and and hearts of treason.

Billy Peace wrote:

The military dictatorship in Honduras is led by Micheletti and this facist is protecting the drug smugglers in congress and the supreme court. The elite congress members own mansions and sail yachts while 70% of the Honduran people suffer poverty and hunger. If these 5,250,000 compesinos grab their sharp machetes and marched on congress they would cure their sick minds and and hearts of treason.

Alba needs to stop meddling with Honduras's 3 Branch Govt. Zelaya was disqualified and voted out then removed. Chavez the BULLY needs to stay out.

Billy Peace wrote:

...and this facist is protecting the drug smugglers in congress and the supreme court. The elite congress members own mansions and sail yachts while 70% of the Honduran people suffer poverty and hunger.

So does Zelaya. He's a member of the highest echelon of the elite. Also owns a yacht.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

FINALLY Evo and Chavez disagree on something. Chavez said Obama wasn't doing enough to get Zelaya reinstated. Evo want's the US to butt out.

First they want the US to stop meddling and then when it does they say the US isn't involved enough.

I don't like Obama but he was right when he told Chavez you can't have it both ways.

Everybody knows that rich people do not respect or care about others, they only care about their money period. They will destroy, kill, overthrow, conspire to brake up countries even deny God, in order to keep their money or loot comming, period. There is no such thing as rich benevolent, businessmen say Good guys finish last, period that is their philosophy and it is very true. Look at Bolivia today, its own citizens were conspriring to brake the country apart for profits, money making schemes, easier to do it without a government watching you. Heck so brake up the country and get rich in the process. The micheletti guy is nothing but another member of the elite who is bent on keeping is money tight, its all about business. If he really cared about the honduran people or constitution why not respect an elected leader by the people? Well he does not care about the people he cares whether or not business will be feasible under such policies. He figures he is going to loose money in trying to pay a fair salary to they decide to throw aside what they people wanted and instead impose whay HE thinks its convenient. Well no one is stupid and I think in the end Micheletti will cede and allow Zelaya to return to power rather than risk a civil war which could be more dangerous to his business. He is weighing his options carefully but he nows that he does not want to risk tooooo much or he can loose it all.

Jimmy Franks wrote:

Everybody knows that rich people do not respect or care about others, they only care about their money period. They will destroy, kill, overthrow, conspire to brake up countries even deny God, in order to keep their money or loot comming, period. There is no such thing as rich benevolent, businessmen say Good guys finish last, period that is their philosophy and it is very true. Look at Bolivia today, its own citizens were conspriring to brake the country apart for profits, money making schemes, easier to do it without a government watching you. Heck so brake up the country and get rich in the process. The micheletti guy is nothing but another member of the elite who is bent on keeping is money tight, its all about business. If he really cared about the honduran people or constitution why not respect an elected leader by the people? Well he does not care about the people he cares whether or not business will be feasible under such policies. He figures he is going to loose money in trying to pay a fair salary to they decide to throw aside what they people wanted and instead impose whay HE thinks its convenient. Well no one is stupid and I think in the end Micheletti will cede and allow Zelaya to return to power rather than risk a civil war which could be more dangerous to his business. He is weighing his options carefully but he nows that he does not want to risk tooooo much or he can loose it all.

You have got to be kidding.
I don't think you've read enough about Honduras or Bolivia.
You are blindly defending who you perceive to be the under dog.

eyes wide open wrote:

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You have got to be kidding.
I don't think you've read enough about Honduras or Bolivia.
You are blindly defending who you perceive to be the under dog.

That's the problem but it's completely understandable. You have to be patient with people who know nothing about what it's really like to live in countries like this under government's like Evo's and Zelaya's because all they get are tiny snippets of news and they base their opinions (as countries base entire foreign policies) on mere snippets of information. And it's human nature to want to protect the underdog - better said: what is "perceived to be" the underdog.

However it is incorrect to assume that because a person is indigenous, or otherwise not white, they are an underdog. Just as it is incorrect to assume that because someone is not indigenous they are rich and separatist.

eyes wide open wrote:

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You have got to be kidding.
I don't think you've read enough about Honduras or Bolivia.
You are blindly defending who you perceive to be the under dog.

One does not read about honduras or bolivia, but economics is often the predictor of how people behave, rather like simple math. No one especially not businessmen like micheletti will allow people to trample with the "bottom line" of their profits. Many hondurans who actually lived in honduras will tell you the same, central america is ruled by money. Whoever has he gold will try to make the rules. But I have a huge problem when this "gold" is questionable and the circumstance under it is earned. Without proper policies or business regulations it is probably a wildwest and micheletti is involved somehow or was paid to act.

Oh i,m sure of that,Micheletti was paid,and still is as was Mel.

Jimmy Franks wrote:

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One does not read about honduras or bolivia, but economics is often the predictor of how people behave, rather like simple math. No one especially not businessmen like micheletti will allow people to trample with the "bottom line" of their profits. Many hondurans who actually lived in honduras will tell you the same, central america is ruled by money. Whoever has he gold will try to make the rules. But I have a huge problem when this "gold" is questionable and the circumstance under it is earned. Without proper policies or business regulations it is probably a wildwest and micheletti is involved somehow or was paid to act.

Jimmy Franks wrote:

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One does not read about honduras or bolivia, but economics is often the predictor of how people behave,

First: If you don't live in Bolivia or Honduras you should at LEAST be reading up on the situation before you form an opinion don't you think?

Second: Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they'll always trample on the rights of others. Often it is the wealthy who most uphold the rights of those who have little.

And it is incorrect to assume that the only way for the wealthy to obtain their wealth is by trampling on others. Many wealthy people have what they have through hard work and proper planning.

And in most cases it is because of the wealthy that THOUSANDS of national and international organizations exist for the defense of human rights, thanks to their hundreds of millions in donations each year. Without the wealthy, none of those organizations would never accomplish what they do because governments certainly do not sufficiently fund them (and in many cases the governments, such as Zelaya's, Evo's and Chavez' are the ones that are stifling out human rights).

You can't assume that because someone is wealthy they will always rule unfairly.

If your statement were true and it all depended on "simple math" we'd have to impeach Obama, put Bill Gates in jail and take all your money away because there absolutely MUST be someone in the world who has much less than you do, and as it is a question of simple math anyone who has less than you MUST assume yours is ill-gotten gain.

Third: I'm not defending Micheletti but I do believe at some point someone has to stand up to governments like Zelaya's and Morales' that are doing more damage than good. Fortunately, the US constitution provides for the possibility of impeachment. The Bolivian constitution, for example, does not, leaving the Bolivian people at risk when abusive governments are in power. The Honduran constitution has something similar to impeachment, which is what Micheletti argues was applied.

The manner in which democracy is applied in Latin American countries may sound very similar to the U.S., but in fact the definition and understanding of what democracy is, is quite different, something which Americans and some Europeans don't take into account. So if you're American, that may make it difficult to understand why democratic systems are always so fragile in Latin American countries and have trouble lasting. The answer is, most South American "democratic" constitutions are actually based on the Napoleonic system. Now that's something you might want to read about, if you're interested.

To sum it up, so in a case such as this, and if your statement is TRUE, then I must assume that if Micheletti were NOT wealthy you would have no problem with the actions he took??

wrong, micheletti would not have done what he did if he was poor or from an underprivileged class. Read sociology and political philosophy,in highly stratified societies such as honduras it is the wealthy who hold the reigns of power and will often act if their power base is being undermined.
Very few rich people are where they are by honest means, very few, maybe by inheritance or a special advantage. However, according to business law, the rule is buy low sell high, no incentive will ever compare to the monetary incentive of profit. Yet unfortunately businessmen will tell you that wealth is not made on good will.