Details about arrested Rwandan fugitive

Ikyaha cya Genocide ntigisaza! Buhoro buhoro n'abandi bazaboneka. Ildefonse if you are man, can u please give the ICTR a clue on the where abouts of your collegues?

Thanks

What about the RPF crimes Brother? Officers in the RPF including president of Rwanda killed using guns not machettes. They killed so many innocent Hutu's. They just hid it nicely fortunately its documented by Human Rights Watch and other organisations. We long for Justice in the great lakes. Is there anyone outhere who is aware of the crimes of the RPA? Tell Isiah and the Tutsi's the sufferings of all the Abanyarwanda? Not just them?Ask him about why nobody investigates the RPF crimes?No justice in the world! Kagame is always looking for the killers, but because he hides himself.Thge Rwandese always paint the other ethnic group as bad to disguise their bad governance. The RPF are killers also but why no justice?

The RPF massacre of innocent people in northern Rwanda in February of 1993 claimed over 25,000 civilian lives and displaced more than 100,000 people from their home area. At one location near Byumba, in a football stadium built by Mr. Kabuga, RPF massacred about 2000 people, cutting off their heads which they then buried in pits. After the conquest of Rwanda, the RPF junta dug out all the sculls of their own victims and paraded them in Kigali and everywhere as skulls of Tutsis who were killed by Hutus. Such calculated and blatant lies horrified the local people who witnessed those crimes being committed and also witnessed the actual unearthing of the skulls and skeletons for display in Kigali and on roadsides for the world to further condemn the Hutus en masse

The left behind the real one known as M7!

Thanks Victoria, Please if you have proof of where the RPF shot and buried people, i would appreciate if you came out clean and fight for justice. There is justice in Rwanda and if you are following what is currently taking place in Rwanda, you would believe in the Rwandan Justice System. There is no one above the law in Rwanda and please i can tell you to file the case against the RPF if you are sure they committed those crimes.

Evidence of RPF Crimes - But no Indictment

Whilst there is no suggestion that the RPF committed genocide, Robert Gersony, who headed a team dispatched to Rwanda by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, had reportedly estimated that from April to August 1994 the RPF systematically killed between 25,000 and 45,000 Hutus and others - between 5,000 and 10,000 for each month - as it made its way toward Kigali. This constituted the first convincing evidence of widespread, systematic killings by the RPF. Gersony, who collected the data between 1 August and 5 September 1994 - after the genocide - was soon convinced that the RPF had engaged in “clearly systematic murders and persecution of the Hutu population in certain parts of the country” of which UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali was informed in September or October.
www.crimes of war.org .
There is vast information and evidence of war crimes from the RPF my brother, its just that in the currenmt regime they will not allow you to talk of them, otherwise you would be aware of it yourself.From 1990 the RPF were attacking the country.If you ask both Hutu's and Tuti's they all suffered a loss but the current regime allows,only for Tutsi genocide mourning. This problem will effect reconcilliation in your country. There has never been justice in Rwanda, ever! There is many documented cases of crimes of the RPF atrocities. please check internet and probably ask a few Hutu's who are not afraid to talk to you.We need justice in Africa, not suppression.When Rwandese descover they have all suffered we will sing songs of peace and forgiveness. Then all Rwandese will return and anyone will govern as long as they are good be it a tutsi or a hutu. This dream will be realised.We keep hoping for truth!

Moreover, slaughter during the one hundred days of genocide was not the monopoly of the Hutus, as is widely believed. Both Lemarchand and Prunier recount the work of RPF teams that roamed the countryside methodically exterminating ordinary, unarmed Hutu villagers.[4] This sort of killing, rarely mentioned in press accounts of the genocide, continued well after the war was over. For example, on April 22, 1995, units of the new national army surrounded the Kibeho refugee camp in south Rwanda, where about 150,000 Hutu refugees stood huddled shoulder to shoulder, and opened fire on the crowd with rifles and with 60mm mortars.[5] According to Prunier, a thirty- two-member team of the Australian Medical Corps had counted 4,200 corpses at the camp before being stopped by the Rwandan army. Prunier calls the Kagame regime's use of violence in that period "something that resembles neither the genocide nor uncontrolled revenge killings, but rather a policy of political control through terror
There is so much written about the RPF crimes, we could go on forever.If you want hard copy evidence of the wrong deeds we can send you information.Isiah if Rwandese still are not capable of believing they all died in the War and Genocide we will not move on and close the chapter. Remember Hutu's held on to power while making Tutsi's feel guilty for the injustice of the Mwami regime. Now its the same type of tactics. its wrong as you keep having revenge politics in Rwanda. Who will save this situation and say to the Rwandese we all made mistakes, we RPF we killed also. Forgive each other and start afresh for as long as the current regime believe they are innocent it makes for future Hutu governments to do the same! There is no Justice in Rwanda!

As early as May 17, 1994, UNHCR was receiving reports of massive civilian killings by Kagame's RPF in the 1/3 of Rwanda they had occupied since April 22. Other documents from August, September and October 1994, describe a conscious attempt by UN and US government officials to “cover-up” reports of RPF killings, including memos to Secretary of State Warren Christopher. Apparently, US policy to create “impunity” for Kagame began nearly as soon as he took power.

Had the US “impunity policy” not been in place, Kagame might well have been prosecuted along with Military-1 defendants Bagosora and Nsengiumva, as ICTR Prosecutor Michael Hourigan recommended in early 1997. Kagame's responsibility for the assassination of Habyarimana has been known to the ICTR Prosecutor since at least that time, if not early.

Had the US “impunity policy” not been in place, Kagame might well have spent the last decade awaiting trial at the ICTR, rather than getting rich from the resources of the Congo, and the blood of millions of Africans.

Peter Erlinder is a professor at William Mitchell College of Law, St. Paul, MN. He is a past-President of the National Lawyers Guild, a Lead Defense Counsel-UN International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and the President of the ICTR-ADAD (Association des Avocats de la Defense).
E-mail peter.erlinder@wmitchell.edu

I love the Rwandese people Isiah and i long for refugees to all return. The Rwandese are scattered all over the world.All have sad stories to tell of injustice and evils. So many Hutu's from the South who were always mixed were killed by the Interhamwe. They returned to Rwanda after surviving and are put in prison.Most Rwandese I speak to through out my travels are so tired of the hatred being spread.They are looking for reconciliation days and put this baggage behind.For as long as Rwandese only mourn the death of one ethnic group. Real peace is far, but we hope for justice and we shall never give up.
I will live to hear the Abanyarwanda say we all suffered and today we mourn the death and killings of us all!!!! Then this nation will be the flower of Africa, you will see Isiah

M7 sponsored Kagame and he should be held responsible for many who were killed in Rwanda.

You are right Victoria when you say that if you are talking to one ethinic group. That is where you get it all wrong. In Rwanda, we are mourning both Tutsis and Hutus. You should talk to both groups if there is any person who still see the importance of being linked to one ethenic division; There has been country wide reconcialiation but it is through people like yu who are not informed that still have that history of hate and you claim to be contributing to the unity of Rwandese which is not the case.

I was waiting for you to respond accusing me of having history of hate.Everytime one exposes the truth you are told you have history of hate!In Rwanda the genocide mourning is about Tutsi's only period! Which is very true but Hutu's also died by the RPF but its never openly discussed in Rwandan society, so you believe there is reconcilliation?

When you say I talk to an ethnic group who tell me lies I wonder which ethnic group you are referring to. Do you mean Hutu's and Tutsi',I talk to them.Not the Abatwa yet?

You would have loved it if I was in favour of the current regime, and never critisized it! Even in SA there is the best democracy in Africa but we still speak against bad leadership without fear!

Everyone who critics the current regime is a bad person. You need to take critique as a growing point not fight the person who points it out that is real democracy Bro.

There has never been reconcilliation in Rwanda ever! When Hutu's governed they thought there was reconcilliation also because they were marrying Tutsi's. There was a false reconcilliation where Tutsi's were never given high positions. It led to the chaos we saw in Rwanda. When leadership suppresses people diplomatically it is a potential for future conflict. If the current regime continues with the same lies the blood shed will continue. Do'nt have to be defensive but learn from critism and develop media freedom and democratic governance.The politics in Rwanda is still revengfull as it was before where Abatusti were made to be victims. The same is happening today, its the turn of the Hutu's.I am sorry Isiah facts are facts and you just hate to hear the truth. Rwanda will be great if only you want to hear and tell each other the truth currently as always pretence prevails. I am a true Rwandan! Isiah and am so proud of my people,I tell people everyday that Rwandese are the best people in the world! They are the heavenly people but this is what is still lacking.... need to find ways to stop ethnic hatred and future conflicts.You must'nt accuse me of hate politics just because I am telling the truth. You are lying you believe things are okay because you are benefitting from the current regime.

Please VICTORIA, have you ever been in Rwanda? I actually like your contribution but as a matter of fact, i think you are still in the past, in Rwanda everyone can take up any high position regardless of his/her ethenic group. I think we have moved away from that and i think this is evident if you can see clearly in the current Government positions. Do you mind if i invite you and see what is currently happening in Rwanda! The bad thing is that foreigners appreciate what is happening in Rwanda but we the Rwandese (Like you) are still being told by those who benefit from tannishing the Rwandan image. Other wise i luv critism if based on the truth and not lies. I ofcourse benefit from the current regime like you, otherwise you wouldn't be sharing this truth with me lol... not so?

Hi Isiah.
Was just kidding I am not a Rwandan I just wanted to see if you were going to be able to depersonalise the issues and you could'nt.Thats typical of Rwandese in government when you do'nt sing their tune, its either you are a genocider,an interhamwe, a hutu or in some cases you a foreigner in your case i meet the wrong people!
You need to realise there is no perfect regime. The problem with the current regime you only welcomed if you sing their tune. There is a price to pay for reveng politics Isiah.Foreigners and Rwandese are aware of the good thats happening in Rwanda and we acknowledge it but there is also bad.

If Rwandans are looking for long term
peace and reconciliation, telling the truth is the
foundation for this purpose. Unfortunately, in my
personal oppinion, i find that genocide has been
commercialised by the regime of Kigali for political
purposes. The regime, composed in majority by Tutsis
plays politics of victimization, trying to justify
genocide before the international community using and
shaping the facts and stories with exagerations and in
a way they want. I am afraid that this approach of
shaping genocide for political purpose will end up
with false history, therefore putting Rwanda in
eternel cycle of violence.
Thanks Isiah!

You are not a Rwandese but you are an African Right? Because if we have peace in Rwanda, it will be your first point of reference for hope, business and everything good you can think of...just because you will have a good neighbor. Let me tell you this;At the moment i see Rwanda as heart of hope that only you and me can support through such platforms to contribute to the country's difficult journey of healing and reconciliation. Our role as the leaders of tommorrow, is to help in healing wounds and rebuilding our nation after genocide. I understnd that for you, this is a complex theme, with interlacing questions of truth, forgiveness, and transformation. But, let us be focused, use our minds correctly knowing that this planet we are leaving in is not paradise. We have a saying in Kinyarwanda that says "NTABYERA NGO DDE" Meaning No man is perfect (Something like that). You look at the big democracies you are thinking of, do you think they are more democratic than Rwanda? I think your answer and mine is no. But let us protect our stand at the moment and criticise wisely (to build) i believe we can mostly do this basing on the good things that are being done. Do want to Visit Rwanda? I swear you can not believe if you spend some days here, its not a paradise but it is just because we are on planet earth...otherwise we are close to paradise.. haha Enjoy your day Vic

You Isiah you are so defensive of your Tutsi regime.I am sure all you want to do is defend them.You just ca'nt handle them being critiqued constructively.You just want me to say they good.

How can you have reconcilliation in a country where the government started to attack a peacefull country, killed 2 presidents, killed and massacred Hutu's in Rwanda, Congo and still victimises people, but you believe there can be peace!
This president sees Hutu's only as killers.

I wonder if you wo'nt run away if a Hutu governs?
The lies of Rwanda are coming out by people who think and dream.I have been to Rwanda, and the a great place, lacking in democracy and media freedom.A place where people are afraid to critisize the government openly.

I wonder why the Burundians Hutu's do'nt go on spreading, that they were massacred and dominated by a minority race.

In SA we had apartheid but the day we had defeated apartheid we call it reconcilliation day.In that way you produce postive energy, in Rwanda its the complete opposite.As for the Truth and reconcilliation, Your presidents and all his generals must start the process then all those rebels will not fear to come back.

I can not blame you Victoria, you are totally not informed of what is in Rwanda, we have a peace and reconciliation commission that has really positively changed the minds of people. At the moment, we have many Interahamwe's coming home voluntarily. their leader, General Rwarakabije is back and everything is on truck for reconciliation and peace. Please rely on me for updated infor about Rwanda. You can also visit www.newtimes.co.rw or rnanews.com for current news. These are all independent media facilities. Enjoy your week

I’m perfectly aware that the New Times is pro-government mouthpiece where journalists can be fired just for selecting unflattering photographs of the president (even if the article itself is positive!). The New Times does not convey the optimism of the Rwandan people. It conveys the government’s perception of itself or the way that it would like to be perceived. But that’s OK. That counts for somethingThere is no true opposition. No space for debate. Most in government are Kagame’s yes-men, faithful executors of his vision for the country.
I hope people like opposition journalist Charles Kabonero will continue agitating for a freer, more open political space and criticizing the government where criticism is deserved. Moreover, I hope Rwandans themselves will begin to ask for more, to nurture values within their own culture to question, criticize, and arrive at opinions independent of whatever the Big Man on top tells them to think. But that’s up to Rwandans to demand for themselves.
So Kagame has a vision for the country. Great. Isn’t that vision just a little self-serving considering that most of the country’s business leaders—the ones who stand to benefit most, or at least first, from economic growth—are Tutsi?Instead of judging a country from what you see from the window of your car, you should read the reports (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, MONUC, UNDP, Swiss Peace, etc.) that have been produced about Rwanda and which show that the living conditions for the crushing majority of Rwandans has hardly changed since the end of the war while the tiny Ugandan Tutsi elite that is controlling the country like a prison is amassing vast amounts of wealth.
However, one thing is very clear to me for having lived here for three years: Rwanda is not a country at peace and it is not moving in the direction of reconciliation. It may be peaceful, but so was Iraq four years ago… just wish that journalists could stop telling the story that people want to hear or that governments want to tell you, and start looking into the facts, the hard, unglamourous and complicated facts, that lie behind the façade.
Reflections from Jennifer Bea who spent 3 years in Rwanda/www.Afribeat.org

Victoria, I obviously doubt the credibility of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, MONUC, etc they thought Rwanda was a country with no leadership so they wanted to operate like they do in failed states! This is a country with visionary leadership. It is up to the Rwandan people to decide their destiny (Our president always tells us) not Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, MONUC or whoever. I would very much like them to say good about Rwanda but what ever they say or talk about us...i personally dont care because we in Rwanda chose the unity and reconciliation path that will take us far beyond than the stories of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, MONUC,etc. I advise you to be careful when you analyse infor from the agencies mentioned, how can you say that "tiny Ugandan Tutsi elite is controlling the country like a prison? I think you dont know the reality. To my own understanding the people you call "tiny Ugandan Tutsi elite" have governed this country with a lot of sucrifice to restore peace that you and me are now enjoying. If they were to claim payment, how much could we pay??

Always on the defence.You do'nt get it there is good in Rwanda! Lots of good, But we have to point out mistakes, and revenge politics.So you agree the Tutsi's of Uganda are governing effectively, but i thought there is no ethnic group governing but all Rwandese? So finally there is a governing ethnic group, or what is it! Truth will set you free, not propoganda.