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Nov 5, 2009 | Posted by: Trend_News

Georgian side accuses Russia of preparing provocation, making emphasis on militarization of Georgia

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Georgia, Tbilisi, November 5 / Trend News , N.Kirtskhalia / Russia to some extent is trying to hinder the economic development of Georgia, the chairman of the parliamentary committee on international relations Akaki Minashvili said responding to the accusations of Russia's intelligence that as though Georgia is preparing for a military provocation.

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American Dood

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When Russia started WWII by invading Poland with Germany, all they wanted was half of Poland. By the wars end they had occupied all of Poland by the end of the war and made it a puppet state.

Lesson? Russia won't stop till they annex all of georgia

American Dood

Vestal, NY

By the wars end they had occupied all of Poland and made it a puppet state. ***

Robespierre

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American Dood wrote:

When Russia started WWII by invading Poland with Germany, all they wanted was half of Poland. By the wars end they had occupied all of Poland by the end of the war and made it a puppet state.
Lesson? Russia won't stop till they annex all of georgia

Wrong!! Russia didn't start WWII.

The Soviets moved into Poland to create a buffer zone to protect their border and prevent the German troops to be close to their territory.

If they had wanted a piece of Poland, they would have done it already.

Also, Russia has annexed no part of Georgia: stop telling lies!!

American Dood

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Robespierre wrote:

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Wrong!! Russia didn't start WWII.
The Soviets moved into Poland to create a buffer zone to protect their border and prevent the German troops to be close to their territory.
If they had wanted a piece of Poland, they would have done it already.
Also, Russia has annexed no part of Georgia: stop telling lies!!

Try googling "World War II" any source should tell you that Russia and germany sign a pact and divided poland.

Russia was ALLIED with Hitler at the onset of the war so yea they did start world war II. Honestly the short coming of your soviet education are apparent. Just check any source

Robespierre

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American Dood wrote:

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Russia was ALLIED with Hitler at the onset of the war so yea they did start world war II. Honestly the short coming of your soviet education are apparent. Just check any source

The sources would give you the facts, and you choose to interpret them the way it suits you.

The Soviet Union had a NON-AGRESSION PACT with Germany, that is different from a military alliance. Maybe you can't see the difference. I can't help that!

Your education must also have told you that America won the war single-handed and is really the saviour of the world, and the great benefactor to mankind. But that isn't the truth, is it? And we both know that...

Shiro Hima

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American Dood wrote:

When Russia started WWII by invading Poland with Germany, all they wanted was half of Poland. By the wars end they had occupied all of Poland by the end of the war and made it a puppet state.
Lesson? Russia won't stop till they annex all of georgia

This is 2009,and not 1940.

Zaolsie

Saint Petersburg, Russia

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American Dood wrote:

When Russia started WWII by invading Poland with Germany, all they wanted was half of Poland. By the wars end they had occupied all of Poland by the end of the war and made it a puppet state.
Lesson? Russia won't stop till they annex all of georgia

Oh, you mean when POLAND started ww2 by invading Czeckoslovakia with Germany?

one monkey and two tigers

Podolsk, Russia

If USA what us to stop sell weapons in Iran, they should do the same with Goergia. Hopefully we will be able to come to an agreement.

American Dood

Vestal, NY

Robespierre wrote:

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The sources would give you the facts, and you choose to interpret them the way it suits you.
The Soviet Union had a NON-AGRESSION PACT with Germany, that is different from a military alliance. Maybe you can't see the difference. I can't help that!
Your education must also have told you that America won the war single-handed and is really the saviour of the world, and the great benefactor to mankind. But that isn't the truth, is it? And we both know that...

Hitler and Stalin were actually good friends, they kept warm relations which is evident from their communications. Stalin didn't even mobilize any troops to defend against germany, thats why german made so much progress, Russia was complete suprised... dood you should learn history from an unbias source.

Abe

Bridgewater, NJ

Robespierre wrote:

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The sources would give you the facts, and you choose to interpret them the way it suits you.
The Soviet Union had a NON-AGRESSION PACT with Germany, that is different from a military alliance. Maybe you can't see the difference. I can't help that!

Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany had a non-agression pact AGAINST EACH OTHER. But they had an AGRESSION PACT against the countries of Europe nearest them.

Robespierre

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American Dood wrote:

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Hitler and Stalin were actually good friends, they kept warm relations which is evident from their communications. Stalin didn't even mobilize any troops to defend against germany, thats why german made so much progress, Russia was complete suprised... dood you should learn history from an unbias source.

If I want to learn history, I wouldn't come to you!!

Your first statement is a LIE for starter.
Stalin wasn't friend with Hitler and only accepted for the SU to sign a pact with Germany because Britain and France refused to ally with a communist country.

Hitler was ferociously anti-communist and spent the 30s eradicating them in Germany, so was certainly not pre-disposed to like Stalin. The pact was just a delaying tactic and no sign of closeness at all.

Stalin didn't trust Hitler and expected an attack in future. Soviet intelligence predicted 1943, and he worked the re-armanent of the SU on that time scale, hence his surprise when Germany attacked 2 years earlier.

Equating Soviet Russia with NAZI Germany is one of the favourite slurs used by Russophobes, and you fall in that category.

Do no pretend to teach me anything about history; I don't need the twisted US version.

Robespierre

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one monkey and two tigers wrote:

If USA what us to stop sell weapons in Iran, they should do the same with Goergia. Hopefully we will be able to come to an agreement.

Don't hold your breath on that one; we all know about American double standards and treachery!!

Abe

Bridgewater, NJ

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Robespierre wrote:

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If I want to learn history, I wouldn't come to you!!
Your first statement is a LIE for starter.
Stalin wasn't friend with Hitler and only accepted for the SU to sign a pact with Germany because Britain and France refused to ally with a communist country.
Hitler was ferociously anti-communist and spent the 30s eradicating them in Germany, so was certainly not pre-disposed to like Stalin. The pact was just a delaying tactic and no sign of closeness at all.
Stalin didn't trust Hitler and expected an attack in future. Soviet intelligence predicted 1943, and he worked the re-armanent of the SU on that time scale, hence his surprise when Germany attacked 2 years earlier.
Equating Soviet Russia with NAZI Germany is one of the favourite slurs used by Russophobes, and you fall in that category.
Do no pretend to teach me anything about history; I don't need the twisted US version.

Your such a Stalinist! LOL

Correction: Stalin didn't think Hitler would invade for another TEN YEARS after 1939. He also had the intention of having Germany exhaust itself with Western Europe so that he could come in like a vulture and takeover a weakened Europe.

If Stalin thought Hitler would invade in a few years. WHY DIDN'T he prepare for it at all? Like moving Soviet bases and infrastructure away from Germany? No Stalin was SURE Hitler would have no desire or ability to invade Russia for at least TEN YEARS.

Robespierre

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If Stalin thought Hitler would invade in a few years. WHY DIDN'T he prepare for it at all? Like moving Soviet bases and infrastructure away from Germany? No Stalin was SURE Hitler would have no desire or ability to invade Russia for at least TEN YEARS.

He was well in the process of doing that.

Armament factories in the West were being moved to the Urals, production was increased, more resources were dedicated to war effort.
Preparations were under way for defense, but not fast enough, since Stalin and the whole country were working to a time scale that planned to be fully ready in 1943 only, and not before.

Germany's hands looked to be tied up at that point, with the occupation of France and the attacks from Britain, the submarine war in the Atlantic and the campaign in North Africa. It wasn't unreasonable to expect that Hitler would avoid a war on 2 fronts at once: in the end he did, and that sealed his fate.

OleO

Old Bridge, NJ

Abe wrote:

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Your such a Stalinist! LOL
Correction: Stalin didn't think Hitler would invade for another TEN YEARS after 1939. He also had the intention of having Germany exhaust itself with Western Europe so that he could come in like a vulture and takeover a weakened Europe.
If Stalin thought Hitler would invade in a few years. WHY DIDN'T he prepare for it at all? Like moving Soviet bases and infrastructure away from Germany? No Stalin was SURE Hitler would have no desire or ability to invade Russia for at least TEN YEARS.

If it is 10, why not 10 month?

History Buff

Essex Junction, VT

Abe wrote:

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If Stalin thought Hitler would invade in a few years. WHY DIDN'T he prepare for it at all? Like moving Soviet bases and infrastructure away from Germany? No Stalin was SURE Hitler would have no desire or ability to invade Russia for at least TEN YEARS.

Please cite a reference to this ten year allegation.

History Buff

Essex Junction, VT

In the Soviet Union, speaking to his generals in December of 1940, Stalin mentioned Hitler's references to an attack on the Soviet Union in Mein Kampf, and said they must always be ready to repulse a German attack, and that Hitler thought the Red Army would need four years to ready itself. Hence, "we must be ready much earlier" and "we will try to delay the war for another two years".
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Perhaps Abe should have read Mein Kampf?

Why not? His use of historical hyperbole would suggest he'd find it a very sympatico read.

History Buff

Essex Junction, VT

You are a very strange creature, Abe.

More prone to hysteria than history.

Not a very manly trait, I might add.

American Dood

Vestal, NY

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Robespierre wrote:

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He was well in the process of doing that.
Armament factories in the West were being moved to the Urals, production was increased, more resources were dedicated to war effort.
Preparations were under way for defense, but not fast enough, since Stalin and the whole country were working to a time scale that planned to be fully ready in 1943 only, and not before.
Germany's hands looked to be tied up at that point, with the occupation of France and the attacks from Britain, the submarine war in the Atlantic and the campaign in North Africa. It wasn't unreasonable to expect that Hitler would avoid a war on 2 fronts at once: in the end he did, and that sealed his fate.

Every History book that isn't in Russian disagrees with you. Every non-Russian scholar will tell you Russia and Germany were allied and started the war together. Get off stalin's meat. You Russians love to rewrite history

Robespierre

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American Dood wrote:

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Every History book that isn't in Russian disagrees with you. Every non-Russian scholar will tell you Russia and Germany were allied and started the war together. Get off stalin's meat. You Russians love to rewrite history

Every history book I read on the subject wasn't in Russian: I am not Russian and I can't speak Russian!

I read many books in French and English and they all concure with the same version.
Germany signed a non-agression pact with the Soviet Union just days before the attack on Poland. That doesn't consist in a military alliance.
Germany took the initiative in starting the conflict, the Soviet Union wasn't part of the initial attack on Poland. It moved into Poland a few days later, to protect its border and stopped at a pre-arranged line.

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