Tory MP says shea s close to having support to kill gun registry

Cana wrote:

The registration of handguns is mandatory, and at this point so is long guns.
It is not an infringement on any Canadians rights.
It was not admin correctly costing way more that it should have.
It is a device that allows for possible evidence to be used during a crime, if the gun is involved in it.
I realise through my brother that it is a pain in the ass, because he has more long than short guns.
Beside that problem there really is no problem with registration, so said my brother.

Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.

Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-...

Where is My America: And this has to do with Canada's long gun registry how?

Nat_ wrote:

Where is My America: And this has to do with Canada's long gun registry how?

I like Canada and Canadians.

History has proven that when government imposes rules on firearm ownership it only benefits those in power.

One case of one suppressive government doesn't prove anything.

Nat_ wrote:

One case of one suppressive government doesn't prove anything.

I could give you many examples.

I did not want to recreate all the injustice , with due respect to all it's victim's across the world , so I picked one of the more infamous cases.

Canada , much to her credit , declared war on Nazi Germany before the USA.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.
Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-...

That is why I, and many others, will not register any item we own.

Wolverine wrote:

<quoted text>That is why I, and many others, will not register any item we own.

I counld not agree more.

Wolverine wrote:

<quoted text>That is why I, and many others, will not register any item we own.

What bothers me is Alan Gottlieb founder of SAF thinks registration is counstitional.

http://www.saf.org/default.asp...

I did not find it on the web site after a very quick check.

As a life member of SAF , I need to write him a letter on this.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.
Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-...

So what are you telling me...Germany is at it again?

Cana wrote:

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So what are you telling me...Germany is at it again?

If anything , it is America that is going down this path and people like me are going to stand against it and if the day and time comes we will give our lives to protect and defend our Constitution.

My message to my Canadian friends is a simple one , beware of politicians who in the name of a days safety will take away a life liberty.

Should you be interested , here is a link to my web page which in an incomplete form shows many transgressions against our Constitution American Presidents have taken.

http://wima2009.blogspot.com/

Your comments on my web page , negitive or positive , are most welcome.

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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>If anything , it is America that is going down this path and people like me are going to stand against it and if the day and time comes we will give our lives to protect and defend our Constitution.
My message to my Canadian friends is a simple one , beware of politicians who in the name of a days safety will take away a life liberty.
Should you be interested , here is a link to my web page which in an incomplete form shows many transgressions against our Constitution American Presidents have taken.
http://wima2009.blogspot.com/
Your comments on my web page , negitive or positive , are most welcome.
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Your Constitution was transgressed the day baby bush pulled out the patriot act.
So how exactly does a bunch of gun owner factor in on World order?

Cana wrote:

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Your Constitution was transgressed the day baby bush pulled out the patriot act.
So how exactly does a bunch of gun owner factor in on World order?

The French revolution was modeled on the American revolution.

France honored the American people by giving as a gift one of our most honored symbols of liberty , the Statue of Liberty.

In one of the most famous examples a mock up of the Statue of Liberty appeared in Beijing in Tienanmen Square just days before the massacre.

We , the defenders of the American Constitution , can and will stand as an inspiration to millions of oppressed people around the world.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>The French revolution was modeled on the American revolution.
France honored the American people by giving as a gift one of our most honored symbols of liberty , the Statue of Liberty.
In one of the most famous examples a mock up of the Statue of Liberty appeared in Beijing in Tienanmen Square just days before the massacre.
We , the defenders of the American Constitution , can and will stand as an inspiration to millions of oppressed people around the world.

Wise people always look around to see who is doing it better.

I didn't know the lady was at the massacre, that would be interesting to see. give a link!

I'm still not clear on how a bunch of guys with guns solves world issues?

Cana wrote:

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Wise people always look around to see who is doing it better.
I didn't know the lady was at the massacre, that would be interesting to see. give a link!
I'm still not clear on how a bunch of guys with guns solves world issues?

I don't have time to check all the videos on YouTube but I checked a couple , I saw it when it happened.

Firearm owners in America are not looking to solve the worlds problems.

Our common goal of preserving the American way of life with defence of individual rights and liberty will , hopefully , serve as inspiration to others around the world.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>I don't have time to check all the videos on YouTube but I checked a couple , I saw it when it happened.
Firearm owners in America are not looking to solve the worlds problems.
Our common goal of preserving the American way of life with defence of individual rights and liberty will , hopefully , serve as inspiration to others around the world.

Aye I have that problem too sometimes (seeing things that aren’t there, usually there is a fat one with pinot noir involved)

That is a noble goal...I still can't fathom what individual ownership of guns have to do with it?

There is that World problem solving thing again too, how is a student in Beijing going to solve his issues if he carries a gun to class?

Cana wrote:

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Aye I have that problem too sometimes (seeing things that aren’t there, usually there is a fat one with pinot noir involved)
That is a noble goal...I still can't fathom what individual ownership of guns have to do with it?
There is that World problem solving thing again too, how is a student in Beijing going to solve his issues if he carries a gun to class?

He's carrying a gun (in class) for self defense, not for solving issues (world or local).

Tory II wrote:

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He's carrying a gun (in class) for self defense, not for solving issues (world or local).

Do all the other students have guns also?

Returning Fire on Gun Registry Critics

Long guns aren't a problem? In 2008 a full 17 per cent of all homicides committed using firearms were committed using rifles and shotguns -- that's 34 deaths, Statistics Canada reports.

Rural Canadians can handle their guns? In non-urban areas rifles and shotguns were responsible for 48 per cent of all firearm homicides. And surprisingly, rural residents are at higher, not lower, risk of being a homicide victim than city dwellers.

When it comes to who the killers are -- rural or urban -- the statistics are disturbing: in 70 solved homicides in 2008, 40 per cent of victims were killed by an acquaintance and 33 per cent by a family member, while just 17 per cent of deaths were at the hands of strangers.

The registry isn't effective? Since the registry was passed in 1995, homicides by rifles and shotguns have dropped by nearly 50 per cent, while handgun deaths are up and non-firearms homicides are down slightly.

Last year 1,833 firearms licences were revoked and 462 firearms licences were refused, Firearms' Commissioner William Elliott report to Parliament stated.

Number one reason for revoking firearms licenses -- 75 per cent of them? "Court-ordered prohibition or probation." Yes, 1,366 revocations last year alone were because a court ordered someone not to possess firearms -- gee, maybe they had a criminal problem.

And another 201 applications were refused for the same reason.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2009/11/17/Returnin...

Here is Martin Niemoller's actual address to the U.S. Congress along with the page in the Congressional Record where it appears.

The exact text of what Martin Niemoller said,
and which appears in the Congressional Record,
October 14, 1968, page 31636 is:

"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned."

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive....

Nat_ wrote:

Returning Fire on Gun Registry Critics
Long guns aren't a problem? In 2008 a full 17 per cent of all homicides committed using firearms were committed using rifles and shotguns -- that's 34 deaths, Statistics Canada reports.
Rural Canadians can handle their guns? In non-urban areas rifles and shotguns were responsible for 48 per cent of all firearm homicides. And surprisingly, rural residents are at higher, not lower, risk of being a homicide victim than city dwellers.
When it comes to who the killers are -- rural or urban -- the statistics are disturbing: in 70 solved homicides in 2008, 40 per cent of victims were killed by an acquaintance and 33 per cent by a family member, while just 17 per cent of deaths were at the hands of strangers.
The registry isn't effective? Since the registry was passed in 1995, homicides by rifles and shotguns have dropped by nearly 50 per cent, while handgun deaths are up and non-firearms homicides are down slightly.
Last year 1,833 firearms licences were revoked and 462 firearms licences were refused, Firearms' Commissioner William Elliott report to Parliament stated.
Number one reason for revoking firearms licenses -- 75 per cent of them? "Court-ordered prohibition or probation." Yes, 1,366 revocations last year alone were because a court ordered someone not to possess firearms -- gee, maybe they had a criminal problem.
And another 201 applications were refused for the same reason.
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2009/11/17/Returnin...

Nat,
Only 34 deaths in all of Canada. Does Canada really have a homicide problem.

People don't need guns to kill people (they need them to kill polar bears and grizzly bears). And when people don't have a gun and they intend to kill (murder) they use either their hands and arms or other objects. You can stop blaming guns and start blaming people who have murderous intent. Guns are not the motive for murder.

When judges prohibit people from having guns it means judges are hoplophobes. Murderers (criminals) don't need guns to murder, and if or when they intend to murder another person, not having a gun, or being prohibited from possessing a gun WON'T stop them from murdering. Criminals ignore gun control laws and won't bother to register their guns. Gun control laws negatively affect peaceful law-abiding people. Gun control laws don't reduce crime, they increase it because they give criminals an advantage over others.

The greatest benefit of gun possession is legal self defense. Very few people (if any) should be denied their right (their natural right) to protect their life. You (we) cannot adequately protect our lives without the aid of weapons.