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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Zinfab wrote: <quoted text>
It's illegal to target civilians period.
It doesn't become legal just because you think your enemy is doing it. It's always illegal.
Now...if you target an Israeli soldier at a checkpoint, totally legal. If you happen to kill an Israeli civilian -or even many civilians- while getting that soldier at that checkpoint, still totally legal. Collateral damage is allowed by law, so long as the target is a valid military target.
If we applied your logic then the first time Fatah had some kid set themselves off in a hospital, then it would become legal for Israel to carpet-bomb Gaza. After all, targeting civilians is now legal, right?
This is why you guys lose the moral and legal high-ground.
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Doesn't matter what they support, it's still illegal. Civilians are civilians. They're either legal combatants or they're not, and civilians are not legal targets no matter who or what they vote for.
Using your logic the IDF could really turn Gaza into the open air shooting gallery Gray talks about. After all, they voted for Hamas, right? Even the ones that didn't vote for Hamas voted for the other terrorist group, Fatah, right?
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I'm not talking about innocent. I'm talking about legal. Civilians are not legal targets. Period.
That you can't seem to keep that straight is why your side has lost the legal and moral high-ground.
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It's this kind of statement that has people equating anti-Israel with anti-Semitism. Saying "holocaust story" implies that you're a holocaust denier, but then saying, "Jews never did learn anything from that..." implies you think Jews deserved the Holocaust.
That you have the audacity to praise God at the end of that nasty bit of hate gives fuel to the islamaphobes. If you associate God with hate then you can't really blame others for concluding that Islam is a religion of hate. They learn by your example. You deny the expulsion and you worry about me denying the Holocaust. Let’s get this straight: you guys PO’d the German people with your betrayal by making side deals with Britain on December 28, 1917 with the Zionist Congress’s acceptance of the Balfour Agreement. And yes I have a document for that betrayal which you don’t have for your claims for our land. Collaborators are never treated nicely after the fact and Jews were collectively found guilt for their crimes and a collective punishment was inflicted upon them. Was this terrible? Yes it was but this did not prevent Jews from inflicted a collective punishment on innocent Palestinians whose only crime was getting in the way of your Zionist ambitions. Yes it is illegal to target innocent people period. There are no innocent people occupying our land is there. I hope that clears thing up for you. Now that we understand that targeting innocent people is illegal let’s have a look at the number of Palestinians killed compared to the number of Israelis. You’ve got us beat ten to one and that number is not good enough for you? Regardless of your propaganda it is Israel that is in violation of UN Resolutions 183 and 194. Let’s not forget 242 either. It is we Palestinians who hold the legal and moral high ground. You will have your opportunity to defend your views in an International Court, something we would love to do.
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Zinfab wrote: <quoted text>
<quoted text>It's this kind of statement that has people equating anti-Israel with anti-Semitism. Saying "holocaust story" implies that you're a holocaust denier, but then saying, "Jews never did learn anything from that..." implies you think Jews deserved the Holocaust.
That you have the audacity to praise God at the end of that nasty bit of hate gives fuel to the islamaphobes. If you associate God with hate then you can't really blame others for concluding that Islam is a religion of hate. They learn by your example. When you say it is this kind of statement that has people saying this or that. Do you think Osama cares what Israelis or Americans think? You Zionist have perpetually accuse us of hate and use it as an excuse for not complying with UN Resolutions 183, 194 and 242. You use the excuse of our alleged hatred as an excuse to justify your occupation. What law allows you to do that? You must have made it up. If hating your tormentors is a crime, charge us with it and take us to court.
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Isabella wrote: <quoted text>
Typical heartless, gutless jihaDrone.
Do you ever feel human? Or is pleasing Allah to get into Paradise on your mind 25/8? Israel perpetuates tries to explain away the biggest human right disaster on the planet and you accuse me of being heartless and gutless. Sure buddy. I am sure it is my fault Israel is in violation of UN Resolutions 183, 194 and 242. What can I do to help you conform.
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Tempest
Lenexa, KS
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>Yes it is illegal to target innocent people period. There are no innocent people occupying our land is there. You claim to be an educated man yet now you can't seem to understand the difference between "civilian" and "innocent." Civilians are still illegal targets even if you judge them not innocent.
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Tempest wrote: <quoted text>
You claim to be an educated man yet now you can't seem to understand the difference between "civilian" and "innocent." Civilians are still illegal targets even if you judge them not innocent. You should practice what you preach. You manage to kill ten times the number of civilians and you wish to lecture me about that?
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>
One man's terrorist is the other man's freedom fighter. I should apologize for supporting people fighting for freedom from your oppression and religious persecution? Silly isn't it. Anything or anybody that makes your support for our occupation more expensive or if it produces political chaos for you people it has got to be good. Why it is nobody can explain why this Zionist state is so important for you people? I strongly suspect you don’t have a clue as to why. When I look at the amount of money you have poured into this silliness it is obviously much more important than health care, and that puzzles me. Advocating support for Al-Qaeda from Canada is contrary to Canadian law your not real bright are you? We don't approve of foreign jihads being propagated from our peaceful country and our laws flouted are you above the law? Do you need a copy of the Canadian anti-terror act sent to you? Oppression and religious persecution in Canada? Trying to connect Canadian citizens such as i to Isreali policies is just nonsense there is no connection.
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Zinfab wrote: <quoted text>
It's illegal to target civilians period.
It doesn't become legal just because you think your enemy is doing it. It's always illegal.
Now...if you target an Israeli soldier at a checkpoint, totally legal. If you happen to kill an Israeli civilian -or even many civilians- while getting that soldier at that checkpoint, still totally legal. Collateral damage is allowed by law, so long as the target is a valid military target.
If we applied your logic then the first time Fatah had some kid set themselves off in a hospital, then it would become legal for Israel to carpet-bomb Gaza. After all, targeting civilians is now legal, right?
This is why you guys lose the moral and legal high-ground.
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Doesn't matter what they support, it's still illegal. Civilians are civilians. They're either legal combatants or they're not, and civilians are not legal targets no matter who or what they vote for.
Using your logic the IDF could really turn Gaza into the open air shooting gallery Gray talks about. After all, they voted for Hamas, right? Even the ones that didn't vote for Hamas voted for the other terrorist group, Fatah, right?
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I'm not talking about innocent. I'm talking about legal. Civilians are not legal targets. Period.
That you can't seem to keep that straight is why your side has lost the legal and moral high-ground.
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It's this kind of statement that has people equating anti-Israel with anti-Semitism. Saying "holocaust story" implies that you're a holocaust denier, but then saying, "Jews never did learn anything from that..." implies you think Jews deserved the Holocaust.
That you have the audacity to praise God at the end of that nasty bit of hate gives fuel to the islamaphobes. If you associate God with hate then you can't really blame others for concluding that Islam is a religion of hate. They learn by your example. You gotta be joking. Maybe you could explain why Israel needs to run a system that parallels Apartheid? I love your lies about how the UN gave the land to the Jews,how this dispute is about Anti Semitism how the Arabs started all the wars as well as that God herself gave the land to the Jews. Not end to your hatred and lies. Maybe your BS will last for eternity? Good luck.
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Isabella
Glen Ellyn, IL
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Canadian wrote: Advocating support for Al-Qaeda from Canada is contrary to Canadian law your not real bright are you?
We don't approve of foreign jihads being propagated from our peaceful country and our laws flouted are you above the law?
Do you need a copy of the Canadian anti-terror act sent to you? Holy Batman, if only there was a quick-and-easy way to REPORT the terrorist-sympathizer to the proper authorities....
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Canadian wrote: <quoted text>
Advocating support for Al-Qaeda from Canada is contrary to Canadian law your not real bright are you?
We don't approve of foreign jihads being propagated from our peaceful country and our laws flouted are you above the law?
Do you need a copy of the Canadian anti-terror act sent to you?
Oppression and religious persecution in Canada?
Trying to connect Canadian citizens such as i to Isreali policies is just nonsense there is no connection. Trying to connect Canadian citizens such as i to Isreali policies is just nonsense there is no connection. How bright must I be to see that your attempt to connect me to Al-Qaeda is a joke? Please report me. By the way the justice system is about protecting freedom of speech: not about enforcing your vision of what you see as politically correct. That is why we are a peaceful country.
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>You gotta be joking.
Maybe you could explain why Israel needs to run a system that parallels Apartheid? I love your lies about how the UN gave the land to the Jews,how this dispute is about Anti Semitism how the Arabs started all the wars as well as that God herself gave the land to the Jews. Not end to your hatred and lies. Maybe your BS will last for eternity? Good luck. Those who you call innocent civilians are more often than not military reservists. They do tend to be rather ubiquitous. And yes, it is difficult to distinguish the two when not in uniform and hiding amongst or masquerading as civilians. Please read your own post and see if that applies to Israelis.
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Tempest
Lenexa, KS
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>Those who you call innocent civilians are more often than not military reservists. They do tend to be rather ubiquitous. And yes, it is difficult to distinguish the two when not in uniform and hiding amongst or masquerading as civilians. Please read your own post and see if that applies to Israelis. What do you call a soldier off duty and out of uniform? A civilian. What do you call a reservist out of uniform and not on active duty? A civilian. Sorry, but this lame excuse doesn't fly. They are still not legal targets. This is only a thin rationalization for your side targeting civilians.
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“Act Interdimensional ly”
Joined: Jan 9, 2008
Comments: 2393
Singapore -- Home of Hot
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>...could [you] explain why Israel needs to run a system that parallels Apartheid... Under the system of South African Apartheid, Blacks in South Africa could not: Vote or participate in political parties Participate in non-violent protest Own Property outside of Townships Attend white government schools Travel inside South Africa without documents that white South Africans did not need to carry. Compare and Contrast Arabs (25% of the population of Israel) CAN: Vote Be elected to all levels of political office (there are duly-elected members of the Israeli Parliament) Own property ANYWHERE in Israel Attend public or private schools of their choice Travel freely within Israel as can any Israeli citizen. In short, Arab Israelis are Israeli Citizens and enjoy all the rights of any Israeli Citizen.
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>How bright must I be to see that your attempt to connect me to Al-Qaeda is a joke? Please report me. By the way the justice system is about protecting freedom of speech: not about enforcing your vision of what you see as politically correct. That is why we are a peaceful country. Arrogantly bragging about the 13 Al-Qaeda highjakers and praise of Bin Laden is support who do think your fooling? Freedom of speech has it's limit of acceptability. We have no need of your Jihadist types washing up upon our shores preaching conflict rejecting all peace settlements and vowing endless war. Common sense is something your dearly lacking.
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Isabella
Glen Ellyn, IL
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>How bright must I be to see that your attempt to connect me to Al-Qaeda is a joke? Please report me. By the way the justice system is about protecting freedom of speech: not about enforcing your vision of what you see as politically correct. That is why we are a peaceful country. Oh you will slip up eventually, CAIR: Canada Boy. And that's when the authoritah will nab ya and say hello to Chech Republic Prison That Dare Not Say Its Own Name. Keep talking, Jihadreamer. I love it. Do stop by the Big Thread more often.
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Isabella
Glen Ellyn, IL
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Rick Moss wrote: <quoted text>
Under the system of South African Apartheid, Blacks in South Africa could not:
Vote or participate in political parties
Participate in non-violent protest
Own Property outside of Townships
Attend white government schools
Travel inside South Africa without documents that white South Africans did not need to carry.
Compare and Contrast
Arabs (25% of the population of Israel) CAN:
Vote
Be elected to all levels of political office (there are duly-elected members of the Israeli Parliament)
Own property ANYWHERE in Israel
Attend public or private schools of their choice
Travel freely within Israel as can any Israeli citizen.
In short, Arab Israelis are Israeli Citizens and enjoy all the rights of any Israeli Citizen. LOL
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“×’ ל ×¢ ד”
Joined: May 15, 2007
Comments: 4075
Zion
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Israel
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GJ the Palestinians wrote: <quoted text>You gotta be joking.
Maybe you could explain why Israel needs to run a system that parallels Apartheid? I love your lies about how the UN gave the land to the Jews,how this dispute is about Anti Semitism how the Arabs started all the wars as well as that God herself gave the land to the Jews. Not end to your hatred and lies. Maybe your BS will last for eternity? Good luck. The only lie here is the so called the Palestinian "right of returning". all your values were stolen from the Jewish people; you don't really have your own. You need to do some check up yourselves!
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Isabella wrote: <quoted text>
Typical heartless, gutless jihaDrone.
Do you ever feel human? Or is pleasing Allah to get into Paradise on your mind 25/8? You are clueless. Stay the course.
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“Act Interdimensional ly”
Joined: Jan 9, 2008
Comments: 2393
Singapore -- Home of Hot
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In 1948 -- the lands granted by UN Partition to Palestinian Arabs was confiscated by Egypt and Jordan. Both countries occupied those lands and brutally oppressed the Palestinian Arabs.
Palestinian Arabs should be demanding right of return to Egypt and Jordan -- not Israel.
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“×’ ל ×¢ ד”
Joined: May 15, 2007
Comments: 4075
Zion
ISP:
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Rick Moss wrote: In 1948 -- the lands granted by UN Partition to Palestinian Arabs was confiscated by Egypt and Jordan. Both countries occupied those lands and brutally oppressed the Palestinian Arabs.
Palestinian Arabs should be demanding right of return to Egypt and Jordan -- not Israel. AMEN! btw, you heard about the saying, i had with half ear, they said that Jordan should become the temoporary "Palestinian homeland"? They fumed when people saID THAT. Sure, why not. The Jews put their hearts on creating a beautiful country, if i was an Arab, why would i wanna leave such heaven that others created to go somewhere else. Better stay, even if it wasn't mine. That's how they think, don't they?
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GJ the Palestinians
Abbotsford, Canada
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Lipush wrote: <quoted text>
AMEN!
btw, you heard about the saying, i had with half ear, they said that Jordan should become the temoporary "Palestinian homeland"?
They fumed when people saID THAT.
Sure, why not.
The Jews put their hearts on creating a beautiful country, if i was an Arab, why would i wanna leave such heaven that others created to go somewhere else.
Better stay, even if it wasn't mine.
That's how they think, don't they? Jews should be seeking compensation from Germany not from Palestinians. If America can't change it ideology of holding 4 million Palestinians in custody, Osama will destroy you.
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