Stench from Guantanamo still won't wash off

It has been said the greatest volume of sheer brainpower in one place occurred when Jefferson dined alone...

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe ,

we shall become as corrupt as Europe .

Thomas Jefferson






The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those

who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson




It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.

A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Thomas Jefferson




I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson




My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson



No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson



To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson



Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'





'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.'

-Mark Twain

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Torture, after all, is a venerable American tradition. If not quite as homespun as apple pie or lynching, it is at least as old as our imperial aspirations. We were waterboarding captives in one of our earliest wars of occupation, the Philippine-American War, which cost as many as 1 million civilian lives. In 1902, Teddy Roosevelt himself wrote with laconic praise of "the old Filipino method." Other techniques, crude or sophisticated, have filled the war bag since. CIA interrogation manuals from the 1960s, which lay out the basic stress-position and sleep- and sensory-deprivation techniques later applied at Bagram and Guantanamo, have been public since 1997. Despite our protestations, we have little to be surprised about. Now, when President Obama vows that "the United States does not torture" and spars with the former vice president over details, he crosses his fingers behind his back and saves himself a loophole. Via "extraordinary rendition" -- a Clinton administration innovation -- our government is still free to outsource torture and claim it doesn't know. The Obama administration has been relying increasingly on foreign intelligence services to detain and interrogate our suspects for us. Despite hundreds of front-page stories, we pretend we didn't know, that it was all somehow kept secret from us. This blindness serves a function. By declaring torture anomalous, by pushing it once again to the margins of legality, we can preserve a vision of U.S. military power -- and of American empire -- that is essentially benevolent.[But] maintaining military and economic hegemony over the planet remains an inherently bloody affair. Empire is a synonym for subjugation, and hence for violence on a massive scale.
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Thomas Jefferson

It has been said the greatest volume of sheer brainpower in one place occurred when Jefferson dined alone...

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe ,

we shall become as corrupt as Europe .

Thomas Jefferson






The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those

who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson




It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.

A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Thomas Jefferson




I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson




My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson



No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson



To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson



Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'





'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.'

-Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)

I wish to expose the torture culture of USA.
Here is one quote.
Robert McNamara, who died this week, was a complex man--charming even, in a blustery way, and someone I found quite thoughtful when I interviewed him. In the third act of his life he was often an advocate for enlightened positions on world poverty and the dangers of the nuclear arms race. But whatever his better nature, it was the stark evil he perpetrated as secretary of defense that must indelibly frame our memory of him.

To not speak out fully because of respect for the deceased would be to mock the memory of the millions of innocent people McNamara caused to be maimed and killed in a war that he later freely admitted never made any sense. Much has been made of the fact that he recanted his support for the war, but that came 20 years after the holocaust he visited upon Vietnam was over.

Is holocaust too emotionally charged a word? How many millions of dead innocent civilians does it take to qualify labels like holocaust, genocide or terrorism? How many of the limbless victims of his fragmentation bombs and land mines whom I saw in Vietnam during and after the war? Or are America's leaders always to be exempted from such questions? Perhaps if McNamara had been held legally accountable for his actions, the architects of the Iraq debacle might have paused.

Instead, McNamara was honored with the Medal of Freedom by President Lyndon Johnson, to whom he had written a private memo nine months earlier offering this assessment of their Vietnam carnage: "The picture of the world's greatest superpower killing or seriously injuring 1,000 noncombatants a week, while trying to pound a tiny backward nation into submission on an issue whose merits are hotly disputed, is not a pretty one."
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"how many public figures of his importance have ever expressed any regret at all for their mistakes and follies and crimes? As the decades of the twentieth century rolled by, the heaps of corpses towered, ever higher, up to the skies, and now they pile up again in the new century, but how many of those in high office who have made these things happen have ever said, "I made a mistake," or "I was terribly wrong," or shed a tear over their actions? I come up with: one, Robert McNamara. I deduce that such acts of repentance are very hard to perform. "
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Think of your past history before you denigrade others.

One of the worst mistake Obama made so far is this.
Torture perpetroters are scotch free without any legal action

Ramafuchs wrote:

One of the worst mistake Obama made so far is this.
Torture perpetroters are scotch free without any legal action

fuchin rana go decapitate yourself!

After your death i will do sir.
Normally i used to be decent but your vomitation of verbal venom makes me to pour forth my views in your language so that you understand with whome you are discussing..
be civil if you can and do not drag me to your lofty ethical standard sir.

Ramafuchs wrote:

After your death i will do sir.
Normally i used to be decent but your vomitation of verbal venom makes me to pour forth my views in your language so that you understand with whome you are discussing..
be civil if you can and do not drag me to your lofty ethical standard sir.

fuchin rana, if you want to be civil start by disappearing! You are not welcomed here!

Are you the moderator or are moderators are helpless to seek your help?

you are a participant like many others.

Be civil if your parents had inculcated in your blood about decency.
Is it enough ? or should i vomit more of your language?

Ramafuchs wrote:

Are you the moderator or are moderators are helpless to seek your help?
you are a participant like many others.
Be civil if your parents had inculcated in your blood about decency.
Is it enough ? or should i vomit more of your language?

fuchin rana, if you want to be civil start by disappearing! You are not welcomed here! LEAVE!