Global warming over a new cold climate has begun

The extent of humanity's understanding of the topic of weather and climate is akin to a bunch of school kids trying to build a Lego robot with 10 Lego blocks.

PeteG wrote:

The extent of humanity's understanding of the topic of weather and climate is akin to a bunch of school kids trying to build a Lego robot with 10 Lego blocks.

Yes the science is young and is evolving. As many say if they cant predict the weather how can they predict the climate. Yet the difference between the warming alarmism and the cooling predictions is the alarmism was based on faulty computer models that couldnt even predict the current cooling whereas the cooling prediction is based on natural observable and recordable science and facts.

yes our time is come to take care of our environmet for sack of our future generation. Let us all contribute to solve the climate change problem.

I strongly suspect Global Warming to be mostly extraneous things not related to man (like volcano's in the ocean, the solar system entering a new sector of space with higher vibratory rate, increased sun activity, etc). But the really important issue is the Global pollution which is killing us all, albeit slowly. I may live out my lifetime but what of my children's children? It is our duty and responsibility to husband the Earth and all her life forms in a fashion that respects all. The idea of sustainable harvesting is paramount to not creating a dead planet. We are not finished with technology until we can produce a product WITHOUT polluting. This pollution is mutating our DNA and making us sterile. By us I mean all life forms on Earth. An excellent book explaining how this has happened is Our Stolen Future available on amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Our-Stolen-Future-Threa...

Elley wrote:

yes our time is come to take care of our environmet for sack of our future generation. Let us all contribute to solve the climate change problem.

Definately so we should prepare for the natural changes in our climate that operate on a cyclical nature. Science has said there is no proof that CO2 causes warming but that it is a basic building block of life and a plant food that has increased plant production in recent years. Already we have spent over $500 billion on the alarmist scare that has turned out to be baseless - imagine if that money had gone into clean technologies what a difference it would have made.

BRRRR its cold

pop wrote:

BRRRR its cold

haha get used to it - were freezing and wet here in Sydney. Predictions for the weekend is cold to very cold air mass with snow to lower levels. As energy use will go up from the cold the last thing we want is to be hit with massive price rises for the cost of it as well.

Without doubt the biggest challenge facing us is nurturing environment while maintaining living standards. This is an unenviable task, faced as we are with flat-earth scientists and one dimensional politicians, environmental issues will be compromised for political expediency. This will be the case until every individual accepts that their mission must be to achieve as much as possible with as little as possible. Politicians will myopically pursue the emotive issue of the day. Only individuals can conserve and teach minimalism. Hopefully enlightened Governments can thus be shamed into following suit.

well im sick of over regulations and having to pay $ to do everything. Bought my farm last year and slowly setting myself up on it - straw bale house, permaculture/organics so I know whats in the food I eat and that its fresh, solar/wind power so I dont need energy corporations, spring/dam/rain water so I dont need water utilities, my own biofuels etc - its amazing to go down and forget about bureaucracy and be self sufficient

theworldasweknowit wrote:

well im sick of over regulations and having to pay $ to do everything. Bought my farm last year and slowly setting myself up on it - straw bale house, permaculture/organics so I know whats in the food I eat and that its fresh, solar/wind power so I dont need energy corporations, spring/dam/rain water so I dont need water utilities, my own biofuels etc - its amazing to go down and forget about bureaucracy and be self sufficient

I guarantee nobody will be laughing at you in a few years time. Saw a docco on straw-bale houses
and they are brilliant. Warm in winter, cool in summer and far better than brick. What finish are you putting on inside and out?

It's great to have the resources to do what you're doing - but we should all be doing these things on any small scale.

theworldasweknowit wrote:

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haha get used to it - were freezing and wet here in Sydney. Predictions for the weekend is cold to very cold air mass with snow to lower levels. As energy use will go up from the cold the last thing we want is to be hit with massive price rises for the cost of it as well.

So situation normal as usual then? Just finished raining up hear and very cold [for us] again. Wonder if next summer will be as non-hot as last one???

The great irony in the pursuit of self sufficiency is that you have to pay a hefty setup premium in order to reduce your consumption of unsustainable energy supply so that you will be no burden to society, while the "do-nothings" will jump at any chance to commence a class action against utility providers when an interruption to their birth right of continuous tap and light switch function occurs. I dont doubt for a moment that the money wasting administrivials who organise fee collection will find additional ways of taxing your self sufficiency on the grounds of not reducing the supply excess, thereby causing costly shedding, resulting in greater emissions which you will be held responsible for due to under participation.
Despite all this your path is the only sensible and admirable choice in the longer term. It's just a tragedy that the cost of minimising your footprint exceeds the cost of being careless and profligate which is well within the accepted norm.

PeteG wrote:

The great irony in the pursuit of self sufficiency is that you have to pay a hefty setup premium in order to reduce your consumption of unsustainable energy supply so that you will be no burden to society, while the "do-nothings" will jump at any chance to commence a class action against utility providers when an interruption to their birth right of continuous tap and light switch function occurs. I dont doubt for a moment that the money wasting administrivials who organise fee collection will find additional ways of taxing your self sufficiency on the grounds of not reducing the supply excess, thereby causing costly shedding, resulting in greater emissions which you will be held responsible for due to under participation.
Despite all this your path is the only sensible and admirable choice in the longer term. It's just a tragedy that the cost of minimising your footprint exceeds the cost of being careless and profligate which is well within the accepted norm.

Agree with the lot! Are you from Rockhampton many years ago???

Gottaliv wrote:

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I guarantee nobody will be laughing at you in a few years time. Saw a docco on straw-bale houses
and they are brilliant. Warm in winter, cool in summer and far better than brick. What finish are you putting on inside and out?
It's great to have the resources to do what you're doing - but we should all be doing these things on any small scale.

will be using a mixter of clay sand and straw chaff for the 2 under coats and then lime coloured with basalt soil for the final coat. Gonna have some hefty eaves to give added protection. Well I react badly to preservatives, addititves etc so its to maintain good health that primarily I will be down there but love it - th locals have been great, I can sit on my porch and all I see is pastures.

Yeah my friends and family are already wanting me to get it done so they can all come down.

But yeah figure with the price of food and petrol its cheaper, more enjoyable and easier to live there - with the net you are no longer isolated. Love Sydney but too much grid lock now and too many rats in the cage

Gottaliv wrote:

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So situation normal as usual then? Just finished raining up hear and very cold [for us] again. Wonder if next summer will be as non-hot as last one???

yeah the way its going looks like it - northern hemisphere had a shocker last winter and they still got snow falls in their summer. More and more scientists are saying nature/the environment/the sun etc are all pointing to a cooling cycle - as to how cool hopefully not too bad - id have the warmth anyday

PeteG wrote:

The great irony in the pursuit of self sufficiency is that you have to pay a hefty setup premium in order to reduce your consumption of unsustainable energy supply so that you will be no burden to society, while the "do-nothings" will jump at any chance to commence a class action against utility providers when an interruption to their birth right of continuous tap and light switch function occurs. I dont doubt for a moment that the money wasting administrivials who organise fee collection will find additional ways of taxing your self sufficiency on the grounds of not reducing the supply excess, thereby causing costly shedding, resulting in greater emissions which you will be held responsible for due to under participation.
Despite all this your path is the only sensible and admirable choice in the longer term. It's just a tragedy that the cost of minimising your footprint exceeds the cost of being careless and profligate which is well within the accepted norm.

well its cheaper to buy 100 acres in nice parts of the country now than it is to buy a studio apartment in the centre of sydney. With a studio I might get 20-40m2 of concrete, no view, hefty body corporate fees, council fees, water fees etc and will be close to processed food, polluted air, crowded everything, hear everyone, see everyone

on the farm I can basically live how I please, my neighbour cant hear me go to the toilet, I dont whether they could hear if I even had a rock concert on, we cant see one another, I can grow whatever I want

dont think the govs will be too interested in taxing as you have to get volume to make profit otherwise the cost of administration exceeds the cost of collection - for this reason the city dwellers will always be the prime targets - eg the useless desal plant in sydney

Gottaliv wrote:

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Agree with the lot! Are you from Rockhampton many years ago???

Only visited Rockhampton, but lived in Perth many years ago.

Alaska headed toward coldest summer on record
As arctic sea ice continues to be well above last years low Alaska looks like setting coldest summer on record.

Winters are getting alot colder than usual, ive noticed

HuntaGeneral wrote:

Winters are getting alot colder than usual, ive noticed

its 5 degrees below average here today whats it like in Ireland?