'If The Election Were Held Today Obama Would Lose'

Name one...? They (or you) threw out Howard a coupla years ago, non?
:-)

Actually this forum has a false premise in its logic.

If the ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY, that means Bush (who ABDICATED to Obama in abject admission that the incoming President showed (and offered destroyed investors) more hope and more level-headed judgement than did Bush and his puppeteer Paulson, who certainly jerked all of our strings with his 'PAY AIG so GodSax gets paid its billions' strategy (and shutting down main competitor Lehman Brothers)... would have stayed in office one more year.

THAT MEANS, that the crisis would have been worse, Iraq would have been worse, New Orleans would have been worse (the recovery), and Trees-know-what-else would have compounded the failures of 14 years of Republican Congressional Mischief...

So the false premise falls, and the odds are overwhelming that Obama or ANY other Democrat would have won with an even larger majority...

It's always fun to dream about 'Republican Renaissances', when its only themselves that took their popularity to the lowest levels since 1932... their voices, in desperation, are strong, one admits that...

TJ Max wrote:

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Now that the American people really know President "Hugo Chavez" Obama "Bin Laden" he wouldn't stand a chance of winning today! The Republicans could put up any sorry SOB and win BECAUSE the candidate ISN'T THE LEFT WINGED RADICAL BARRACK OBAMA! It would be just the reverse of the last election.

105% of Indianapolis Voters Are Registered to Vote!
Thanks to acorn
105% of Indianapolis can vote.
That would mean babies,all those unter 18, felons,the institutionalized and any other group not eligible to vote

it's a funny logic you use, Gunner...

Gunner wrote:

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Correct. Republicans spent like liberals during Bush's 8 years.
Staying with the "Arsonists" analogy, I suppose everyone should just sit quietly and watch as the Obama administration throws gasoline on the fire that the Bush administration started?

if you took a moment to find any graph of US Fed Govt. deficits since 1940, you'd quickly discern that the red ink is ALWAYS trending to Republican Congresses. Many forget that the US Govt. nearly went bankrupt in the WWII budgets ('Victory Bonds'?'War Bonds'?).

"Liberal spending" puts money in pockets of people that HAVE NONE. You know what happens next? they pay landlords, supermarkets and used car lots... what do you think happens with the Tax cuts to millionaires? do you think that they spend that money on mp3 players? Nikes? Most of it goes into banks in Delaware, Bahamas, Jersey Islands, and yes: der Schweiz.(etc etc).

Rich peoples' tax cuts go OUT of the economy, and are horded. Poor peoples' subsistence payments are more rapidly injected into the economy, than a LA junkie with his first hit in four days... it's been proven, time and again, that 'trickle up' works better than 'trickle down'...

Back to the analogy... you're wrong: you should have said "we should sit around while Republicans slash the fire hoses he's using to put out the fire".

Lastly: when someone causes a fire, and someone else comes and attempts to put it out, it's really bad manners to tell them that their methodology to solve 'Your' problems isn't the right one, because if you hadn't started the fire, it wouldn't be there in the first place!

NO doubt about it: no President in the US history, ever handed his successor a bigger pail of SH/TE than did George DoubleWAR Bush...

(I kinda like that...'DoubleWAR Bush'... that's as sticky as molasses)

ZENquoteme

According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis over 18 and thus eligible to vote.(Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).

So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!
This is rich!

But acorn voter fraud is innocent.......
According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis over 18 and thus eligible to vote.(Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).

So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!

mudsin wrote:

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There is a Democrat party, a Republican party, a Libertarian party, a Communist party, and more...but I've never heard of the Right Wing party.
I know this...Conservatism and Libertarianism is alive and well. That is being proven in NY - and probably NJ & Virginia.
"45% for Obama, 49% Against -- If Election Were Held Right Now" - it looks like the Socialist wing of the Democrat party is what's being rejected, after a mere 10 months of incompetance and excuses.
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Where do you get your info from..? must be cpusa.org

How does any of this differ from 8 year ago today? You are getting excited about nothing, check by 16 year and you'll find the same sentiments. Good luck

Looks like the voters in Virginia have come to their senses....Obama will probably blame fox for this too. He spends time worrying about fox, when he needs to be worrying about the economy.

Stupid Sheeples RAnnoying wrote:

<quoted text>You guys are nutty! LOL
I never said voter registration fraud wasn't a crime. I did say that there was NO VOTER FRAUD>
And it was ACORN who originally brought to the attention of the authorities. They were completely cooperative.
It was a matter of few bad apple lazy employees NOT ACORN as a whole. But the republicans sure made it that way. Through there talking heads and the sheeples that follow them you indicted a whole organization because of a few employees that ACORN fired and pursued legally.
You did the republicans dirty work. You aided in the suppression of the poor's voice in democracy. How very American of you.

I aided in the faith and justice in our right to vote , you advocate for registration fraud and a criminal organization ..

gee I wonder which is on the right side of this issue ?

what you do in legal terms is called complicity in a crime .

way to go !!

I recall in 1993 or '4, when Bob Dole was whining and whimpering on Meet the dePressed, about Clinton's lack of mandate...(if you remember, it was a three-way, Clinton got 43pc, Ross Perot took 19pc, and Bush-the-Elder took most of the rest... 37pc).

Anywho, Dole was whinnying that "Clinton had no mandate, fifty-seven percent didn't support him!"

I thought 'what a dunderhead from the flatlands! That means SIXTY-THREE pc didn't support Your Guy'...

So if Mr Obama only receives 41pc support, there's no guarantee that ONE person gets the 49pc of 'opposing Americans'

Time soon to start getting returns (now 21h in NY, NJ, VA)

zenJD

mudsin wrote:

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There is a Democrat party, a Republican party, a Libertarian party, a Communist party, and more...but I've never heard of the Right Wing party.
I know this...Conservatism and Libertarianism is alive and well. That is being proven in NY - and probably NJ & Virginia.
"45% for Obama, 49% Against -- If Election Were Held Right Now" - it looks like the Socialist wing of the Democrat party is what's being rejected, after a mere 10 months of incompetance and excuses.
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Where do you get your info from..? must be cpusa.org

ZENmud wrote:

Name one...? They (or you) threw out Howard a coupla years ago, non?
:-)
Actually this forum has a false premise in its logic.
If the ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY, that means Bush (who ABDICATED to Obama in abject admission that the incoming President showed (and offered destroyed investors) more hope and more level-headed judgement than did Bush and his puppeteer Paulson, who certainly jerked all of our strings with his 'PAY AIG so GodSax gets paid its billions' strategy (and shutting down main competitor Lehman Brothers)... would have stayed in office one more year.
THAT MEANS, that the crisis would have been worse, Iraq would have been worse, New Orleans would have been worse (the recovery), and Trees-know-what-else would have compounded the failures of 14 years of Republican Congressional Mischief...
So the false premise falls, and the odds are overwhelming that Obama or ANY other Democrat would have won with an even larger majority...
It's always fun to dream about 'Republican Renaissances', when its only themselves that took their popularity to the lowest levels since 1932... their voices, in desperation, are strong, one admits that...
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what a dolt Bush was a lame duck president .

he had served his 2 terms .

try living and understanding the country you live in .

If the election were held today obama would only garner 42% of the vote , and McCain would be the president .

I hope thats simple enough for you ?

House Healthcare Bill Uses the Term "Tax" 87 Times

http://www.atr.org/index.php...

I hate to bust in dear ANNDEE, but you're funny and ignorant about Volcker.

Do you know Seventies history? There's only one reason we had a problem: Nixon took the USA off of the Gold Standard: gold went from $30/ounce to 325/ounce.

Do you remember Jerry Ford? WIN buttons?('Whip Inflation Now!'??) we had a substitute lineman-President replacing a disgraced former backup lineman President, after the end of the disgraceful Vnam war, and the launching of the Deficit engine, our form of permanent Military Keynesianism...

Carter's ability to repair Nixon's damage is quite a good comparison to the situation today: only the numbers are magnified.

Volcker, who stayed on under Reagan,'busted' the 'inflation cycle' by jacking up FED rates to something like 20pc, which was one of many factors in the Savings and Loan crisis...

Remember, 3 of the last five Republican Two-Term Presidents have presided over the three major housing failure-crises of the past 100 years.

ZENstorian

Anndee wrote:

Economic Czar: Paul Volcker*-Head of Fed
Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly
failed. Obama appointed head of the
Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama
economic disaster to US economy. Member of anti
business "Progressive Policy" organization.
*Energy and Environment Czar: Carol Brower*- Political Radical
-Former head of EPA -- known for anti-business activism.
Strong anti-gun ownership.
*Faith-Based Czar: Joshua DuBois* Political Black
activist-Degree in Black Nationalism. Anti gun ownership lobbyist.
*Great Lakes Czar: Cameron Davis*- Chicago radical anti
business environmentalist. Blames George Bush
for "Poisoning the water that minorities have to
drink." No experience or training in water
management. Former ACORN Board member

Considering that Chatty-Kathy Harris disenfranchised some 300,000 Floridians, under the colour of office of Secretary of State, your blinders and hysteria are, in combo... kind of 'hysterical'...

Go google 'convictions for voter fraud' instead of 'indictments'... and please link to your C-N-Paste sources?

We'd like to confirm the source....

"Disinformation" isn't a crime... so keep going anyway...

ZENjd

Anndee wrote:

It's about overwhelming the system.
It's how a city like Milawukee can have 17,000 registered voters and have 35,000 votes on election night.
It's called voter fraud and it's against the law!

You do realize that 'voter records' are notorious for not 'cleaning out' the names of people who MOVED? or Died? Or married, so Anndee Harris became Anndee Hardy, and thus is on the rolls twice?

Out of curiousity, for the City of Indianapolis, is their 'Chief Voting Officer' a Rep or a Dem?

just curious,
Z)))

Anndee wrote:

According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis over 18 and thus eligible to vote.(Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).
So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!
This is rich!

PresidentObama has appropriated more money since January then all 43 Presidents before him combined. America knows this, they are showing their contempt for the Democrats right now in several states Special Elections. The newly elected Republican Governor in Virginia, a state President Obama won last year, won by 22 points, and brought the Republican Lt Governor, and Republican Attorney General in as well. This is a rout. Republicans did the same thing in 1992, and then took majorities in the House, and Senate in 1994. You can't turn this country into a Marxist/Communist country. We fight back.

Try telling us something we don't know... Clinton didn't abdicate to Bush the way that Bush did to Obama... I hope that's logical enough for you, simple-y?

I lived in three regions of the USA... East, Midwest and the Rockies (thirteen years in Vail Colorado, thirteen years next to the Alpes in Switzerland: I think I 'understand' a couple things you've never experienced... sheeeeeeesh)

I repeat, because you obviously DON'T understand logic, that the premise is based on what has happened since Obama took over, NOT on what would have happened if the election was this year.

If the election was retarded a year, WHO would have presided in the interim? BUSH.

You actually think two illogical thoughts:
1- Bush would have had his only successful year in office in the year since he left
2- McCain would have won against Obama or another, because he 'obviously' is/was the better candidate.

Combined with the unrealistic premise of a nonsensical hypothetical 'what-if' situation, I hope that you understand it better this time, with the blinders off.

Sorry you made me repeat myself, good luck with that problem of yours...

ZENup

Rigid wrote:

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what a dolt Bush was a lame duck president .
he had served his 2 terms .
try living and understanding the country you live in .
If the election were held today obama would only garner 42% of the vote , and McCain would be the president .
I hope thats simple enough for you ?

Virginia in the GOP bag and New Jersey has the GOP way out in front! HUGE DEM / OBAMA losses and a real sign the American Voters are rejecting dems new agenda.

Keep it up and 2010 elections will be a Democrat Blood Bath. Do you Blue Dogs hear it coming? Vote No on Health Care and No on Cap & Tax or your careers are over!

Obama you are one and done just like Jimmy Carter!

TJ Max wrote:

Obama you are one and done just like Jimmy Carter!

But unlike the Peanut, Obama won't have a Nobel Prize to look forward to after his 'early retirement. A flash in the pan to say the least.

SCREAMING EUGENE wrote:

<quoted text>Again I have to call you out on your stupidity. Clinton tryed to get OBL after the Cole and World trade center garage bombing, but as I recall, after he sent bombs into Afganastan and missed OBL by mere minutes, he was attacked by republicans, republicans that had the majority of BOTH congresses, slandered by those republicans as "Wagging the dog" as trying to shift the focus away from the Lewinski affair. The republicans were more interested in embarassing Clinton that going after OBL. Had he had the crital support from republican to activly go after Bin Laden then, maybe the twin towers would still be standing. Democrats are not as aggresive as republicans in attacking the other party, I wish they went after Bush and his administration like the repugs did in going after Clinton and now Obama, the should be on the offensive and not constintly on the defensive.

Your the idiot, better do your homework, before the name calling. You said "Clinton tryed to get OBL after the Cole and World trade center garage bombing, but as I recall, after he sent bombs into Afganistan and missed OBL by mere minutes" The FACT is OBL had fled that compound 2 weeks prior to his wasting several million dollars in missiles on an abandoned compound.

Democrats got a good ol' fashioned SMACK DOWN!