Fed report says climate change risks crops, water

We already have a food crisis. So much so that countries that used to export are now having to import or block trade. The reduction is crops puts the lie to the 'CO2 Fertiliser' bogus claim. The other effects on agriculture are signficanly more negative.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg...
"Several major rice producers including India, Vietnam and China have limited or banned rice exports this year to protect their own supplies"

It later points to GW as the cause of the agricultural declines. Rice is well known from studies to have declined about 30% from higher respiration during the (warmer due to GW) night when photosynthesis is off.

And the U.S. is experiencing drying conditions in the 'bread basket' praries that is threatening U.S. supplies.

The biggest part of the food crisis is because we are using it to fuel cars. Then again I at least have the fun of telling all of my friends and co workers who thought this was such a great idea that I told them so.

Several groups of food scientists,(Yes, I was surprised when the news called them that as well) have written a letter to the goverment to cease adding ethonal additives in fuels.

tina anne wrote:

The biggest part of the food crisis is because we are using it to fuel cars. Then again I at least have the fun of telling all of my friends and co workers who thought this was such a great idea that I told them so.
Several groups of food scientists,(Yes, I was surprised when the news called them that as well) have written a letter to the goverment to cease adding ethonal additives in fuels.

using grain to ease our dependence on foreign oil has not impacted food prices as much as:
-decreasing value of our dollar
-increased worldwide demand for protien food
-increased transportation costs
One only needs to look at the price increase of items such as coffee (which is NOT impacted by grain prices) to see the truth of the above.
I'll bet your friends and co workers see your foot in your mouth when you say 'told you so.'

real information wrote:

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using grain to ease our dependence on foreign oil has not impacted food prices as much as:
-decreasing value of our dollar
-increased worldwide demand for protien food
-increased transportation costs
One only needs to look at the price increase of items such as coffee (which is NOT impacted by grain prices) to see the truth of the above.
I'll bet your friends and co workers see your foot in your mouth when you say 'told you so.'

And how do you think that can of coffee arrived at your local store. I can assure you that no used a magic wand or a transporter. It came in the back of a truck that used fuel to move it from one place to another.

The protien food you referred to is usally a grain crop like corn or wheat. The problem is that last year the farmers saw the writing on the wall and started growing corn instead of other food crops. The corn byproducts are in a amazing range of products found in not only the grocery store but other stores as well. Plus the farmers growing corn were not growing other crops like cotton. That affects you in your shorts literally.

It dosn't help that one of the few things that america has been exporting on a regular basis was food crops. Which leads to less of a demand for the dollar since it is only useful when you have something to buy with it.

Let me know how your foot tastes and please research your subject. I would hate to bore every one else with a endless list of products that have corn in one way or another. Althought corn wasn't involved with your coffee. That was more likely a biodiesel additive made with soybeans.

tina anne wrote:

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And how do you think that can of coffee arrived at your local store. I can assure you that no used a magic wand or a transporter. It came in the back of a truck that used fuel to move it from one place to another.

that's what I'm saying ... it is not the use of corn for ethanol (or soy for bio deisel) that has caused Coffee to increase in price, it is high transportation costs and the lower value of our dollar.

tina anne wrote:

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The protien food you referred to is usally a grain crop like corn or wheat. The problem is that last year the farmers saw the writing on the wall and started growing corn instead of other food crops. The corn byproducts are in a amazing range of products found in not only the grocery store but other stores as well. Plus the farmers growing corn were not growing other crops like cotton. That affects you in your shorts literally.

the protien food I'm referring to is meat. there are millions of Chinese in the emerging middle class who are now eating beef, pork, and chicken instead of rice and fish heads. It takes grain to feed the cattle, hogs, and chickens. Whether we make ethanol or not ... increased demand for animal feed will increase the cost of that feed.

tina anne wrote:

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It dosn't help that one of the few things that america has been exporting on a regular basis was food crops. Which leads to less of a demand for the dollar since it is only useful when you have something to buy with it.

We are still exporting food grains on a regular basis. Examine our export inspections data and compare to recent years.

tina anne wrote:

The biggest part of the food crisis is because we are using it to fuel cars. Then again I at least have the fun of telling all of my friends and co workers who thought this was such a great idea that I told them so.
Several groups of food scientists,(Yes, I was surprised when the news called them that as well) have written a letter to the goverment to cease adding ethonal additives in fuels.

Read your first post again ... didn't you say that you have fun telling 'I told you so' about the biggest cause of the food crisis is our use of food for fuel? That is what prompted my 'foot in mouth' comment. Your second post proves my point.

real information wrote:

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the protien food I'm referring to is meat. there are millions of Chinese in the emerging middle class who are now eating beef, pork, and chicken instead of rice and fish heads. It takes grain to feed the cattle, hogs, and chickens. Whether we make ethanol or not ... increased demand for animal feed will increase the cost of that feed.

The problem is that the same feed that is used to feed those chickens and make bread is being converted into fuel. You can't have the same bushel and use it to do three different things.
If you actually go back and look you will notice that the cost of food went up shortly after they started bringing the ethanol plants on line.

tina anne wrote:

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The problem is that the same feed that is used to feed those chickens and make bread is being converted into fuel. You can't have the same bushel and use it to do three different things.
If you actually go back and look you will notice that the cost of food went up shortly after they started bringing the ethanol plants on line.

You actually can make ethanol, and then feed the dry distillers grain by-product.
Which was when? there have been ethanol plants on line for over twenty years.
Food prices started going up at the same time oil prices went up, and about the same time our dollar was losing value.

tina anne wrote:

The biggest part of the food crisis is because we are using it to fuel cars.

Total crap. The price rise has been greatest in crops that are NOT used to produce ethanol. Surely that gave you a clue?

The demand is rising, and farm output is shrinking. Ethanol is too small a factor to really even be noticed.

survey says; Food prices have risen. Some prices have risen partly because of the use of corn for ethanol. But mostly, all prices have risen because of high oil costs, increased demand for meats worldwide, and the decreased value of the US dollar (I wish I had invested in Euros when they were established. I would have made 40% profit on that investment.)
... AND tina anne again has her foot in her mouth.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

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Total crap. The price rise has been greatest in crops that are NOT used to produce ethanol. Surely that gave you a clue?
The demand is rising, and farm output is shrinking. Ethanol is too small a factor to really even be noticed.

That was because farmers switched to crops used to make the ethanol. For example in my area farmers who had been growing crops such as cotton, peanuts, and other such items switched to corn. That resulted in a shortage of those crops. Crops like peanuts are used in a wide range of products both food and non food. Plus the corn that they were raising is also used in in various products including as a sweetener. Farm output last year shrank due to a adnormally dry year.

reason wrote:

survey says; Food prices have risen. Some prices have risen partly because of the use of corn for ethanol. But mostly, all prices have risen because of high oil costs, increased demand for meats worldwide, and the decreased value of the US dollar (I wish I had invested in Euros when they were established. I would have made 40% profit on that investment.)
... AND tina anne again has her foot in her mouth.

Try again, buckwheat. Your wishing I would just admit defeat and sulk away to lick my wounds isn't going to happen. What is going to happen is some of you are going to be facing facts that are in your little minds very unpleasant. While the dollar is weak overseas that has been helping us on the export market to make up for our one of our bigger exports, grain. What some of you really don't seem to understand that farmers are out to make a buck like everyone else. That means that they will plant whatever crops they think they can get the most for. That is the reason that eleven percent of the farmers who planted corn last year are planting something else this year.

11% ... hmmm ... you know more about farming than farmers do.

tina anne wrote:

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That was because farmers switched to crops used to make the ethanol. For example in my area farmers who had been growing crops such as cotton, peanuts, and other such items switched to corn. That resulted in a shortage of those crops.

You eat cotton? Must be your shorts..

As to peanuts, they have been GETTING peanuts for them. In fact, the price dropped about 70% between 1977 and 2000. And the rise in 2008 just puts it back to 2001 pricing. Any more drivel you want to spew?

tina anne wrote:

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While the dollar is weak overseas that has been helping us on the export market to make up for our one of our bigger exports, grain.

I've been trying for two hours to figure out what you may have meant by this sentence. What are we 'making up for'?

tina anne wrote:

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Try again, buckwheat. Your wishing I would just admit defeat and sulk away to lick my wounds isn't going to happen. What is going to happen is some of you are going to be facing facts that are in your little minds very unpleasant. While the dollar is weak overseas that has been helping us on the export market to make up for our one of our bigger exports, grain. What some of you really don't seem to understand that farmers are out to make a buck like everyone else. That means that they will plant whatever crops they think they can get the most for. That is the reason that eleven percent of the farmers who planted corn last year are planting something else this year.

lick your wounds?... with your foot in your mouth?... not even you could do that!
Do you realize that three of the other posters are farmers? Do you know that many (most) farmers plant a variety of crops in a rotation?
tina anne - someone who presents herself as such an authority should not be so stupid.

2007 CORN CROP A RECORD BREAKER, USDA REPORTS - Cotton, Rice Yields Hit All-Time Highs

WASHINGTON, Jan. 11, 2008 – The 2007 U.S. corn crop was one for the record books, with 13.1 billion bushels of production eclipsing the previous high, set in 2004, of 11.8 billion bushels, according to the Crop Production 2007 Summary released today by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS). The 2007 production level was up 24 percent from 2006.

Driven by

favorable prices,

growing ethanol demand

and strong export sales,

farmers in nearly all states increased their corn acreage in 2007. Planted area, at 93.6 million acres, was up 19 percent from 2006 to the highest level since 1944, when farmers planted 95.5 million acres. The 86.5 million acres harvested for grain was the most since 1933, and up 22 percent from 2006. Those acres yielded an average of 151.1 bushels of corn, the second highest yield on record after 2004’s 160.4 bushels per acre, and up 2 bushels from last year.

The shift to corn led U.S. farmers to plant and harvest 16 percent fewer soybean acres in 2007 than in 2006. A total of 63.6 million acres were planted, and 62.8 million were harvested. Soybean production, at 2.6 billion bushels, was down 19 percent from the record high of 3.2 billion bushels in 2006, while the average yield per acre was at 41.2 bushels, 1.5 bushels below last year.

For 2007, all cotton yield reached a record-high 871 pounds per acre, up 57 pounds from last year and surpassing the previous record of 855 pounds set in 2004. Total production came in a 19 million 480-pound bales, down 12 percent from last year’s 21.6 million bales. Still this is the fourth-highest production on record, following 2005, 2004 and 2006, respectively. Harvested area, at 10.5 million acres, was down 18 percent from 2006.

Grain sorghum production, at 505 million bushels, was up 82 percent from 2006, thanks to favorable growing conditions throughout the major sorghum-producing region. Planted area totaled 7.72 million acres, up 18 percent from 2006. Harvested acreage, at 6.81 million acres, was up 38 percent. Nationwide, yields averaged 74.2 bushels per acre, with yield records set in Texas and Arkansas and tied in Kansas and Nebraska.

For rice, the 2007 U.S. yield of 7,185 pounds per acre is a record, topping the previous high of 6,988 pounds per acre set in 2004. Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri all had record yields as well. Overall, 2007 rice production was 197 million hundredweight, up 2 percent from last year. Both planted and harvested acres were down 3 percent from 2006.

The full Crop Production 2007 Summary is available online at http:// www.nass.usda.gov . The report contains year-end acreage, yield and production estimates for grains and hay; oilseeds; cotton, tobacco and sugar; dry beans, peas and lentils; and potatoes and miscellaneous crops.

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2008/01_11_...

ps What was that about "Climate change is increasing the risk of U.S. crop failures,"