What the heck is a Christian Wiccan?

While I do not actually believe in the "Christian Wicca" mismash, having commentary by a Catholic on the subject seems akin to turning to Nazi sources about information on the Jews.

The article is factually incorrect on several points and is therefore of no merit.

There -is- no such thing as a Christian Wiccan. Wicca is a -specific- set of practices and beliefs, and part of it involves this character called the God and this other character called the Goddess. They are not, and never have, nor ever will be associated with Christianity. Please, all of you people throwing around terms like "Christo-Wiccan," STOP and think about what you are saying. That's like saying you're a "Christo-Muslim." It is confused, ignorant, and insulting of the precepts of BOTH religions.

The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible.

Martha wrote:

The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible.

What?

Hmm, and some guy making a You Tube film in his basement is the bibliography...Nuts.

Martha wrote:

The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible.

No, actually that is an interpretation, not that which is actually said within your bible. It does not name your satan as any sort of deity, it states that it deceives others into believing that it is a deity. It is incorrect statements like that which back up the reasoning why Jesus told those that follow him that it is better for them to pray in private that they may know him than it is to proclaim that belief from every streetcorner as the Pharisees do to avoid making such foolish statements.

Martha said "The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible. "

Well, Satan is a tool of fear used by the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex to manipulate the worshipers of Jehovah the volcano god.

This edifice is dedicated to supporting a false order of hierarchy with privilege and power for few and heartache and suffering for the rest.

Jesus pointed towards a truth that is being confirmed by science. We are one with the consciousness that is the foundation of all that exists. I call it LOVE.

Any who wish to can confirm the wonderful TRUTH of our existence by going within in meditation:

http://grandpasmurf9520.wordpress.com/2009/06...

Martha wrote:

The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible.

The bible does not teach Martha. People teach. And unfortunately people make lousy teachers sometimes. And further, there is no such individual as Satan. There are only people who choose to be evil or have evil tendancies caused by perhaps upbringing, life experiences or some type of mental illness. How can you say or believe that satan is the God of this world? Have you been outside lately and looked around you? Have you travelled much Martha? The world is not dominated by some fictitious evil human character, nor was it created by some fictitious good human character. A man did not make the earth, the sun, the moon or any bloody thing else in the universe so pull your head out of your ass and think a little more on the topic of creation and all this mumbo jumbo crap about satan. There is good and evil. Accept it. You can't have one without the other. It's like black and white, up and down, left and right, male and female, yin and yang, smart and stupid, right and wrong. Get it? The list goes on. It's all about opposites. And everything has an opposite.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Martha said "The Bible teaches that Satan is the God of this world, so as a counterfiet god, he has people worshipping him anyway they want to, even in the guise of Christian, just so it is not in the footsteps of Jesus example, in the Bible. "
Well, Satan is a tool of fear used by the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex to manipulate the worshipers of Jehovah the volcano god.
This edifice is dedicated to supporting a false order of hierarchy with privilege and power for few and heartache and suffering for the rest.
Jesus pointed towards a truth that is being confirmed by science. We are one with the consciousness that is the foundation of all that exists. I call it LOVE.
Any who wish to can confirm the wonderful TRUTH of our existence by going within in meditation:
http://grandpasmurf9520.wordpress.com/2009/06...

Tis true grandpa. Ultimately "God is Love" It is not a "being" but rather a "feeling". And like everything else it can oppose, hence it can feel "good" or it can "hurt like hell".

There is no such thing as a christian wiccan. Its a oxy-moron.

True one said "Tis true grandpa. Ultimately "God is Love" It is not a "being" but rather a "feeling". And like everything else it can oppose, hence it can feel "good" or it can "hurt like hell". "

well, the experience of infinite egalitarian LOVE is not exactly a feeling but it does engender feelings of awe and profound joy. Often people confuse LOVE as I have described and the word love which is misused all the time like "I surely do love walnut ice cream" and other absurd grammatical constructs.

LOVE can be experienced. Some call it Consciousness or God but naming it is not the same as experiencing it.

A being would be something that we can describe.

The LOVE that is the substrate of the personal existence of each of us is conscious it does have qualities and most importantly it can be experienced.

Science is slowly confirming what mystics have been saying for years. This space time continuum is a projection of a greater reality. It is suspected by many that this projection is holistic in nature. We may soon be in a position here on earth to extend our scientific examination into a realm that religion claimed ownership of without comprehension but lot's of prophet's explanations.

Also LOVE, being the total foundation of all that exists has no opposite. Opposites are something that is a part of the illusion we currently believe to be our only reality here on earth (at least some of us)

Meditation is really the key. I know that both theists and athiests are opposed to any consideration of the validity of statements made by mystics but as a Mystical Atheist I would say that if you want to know who you really are you have to investigate!

here is an interesting discussion of the work of David Bohm and it's implications:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/cie...

fedupwiththemess wrote:

There is no such thing as a christian wiccan. Its a oxy-moron.

You should talk about oxymorons, calling yourself fedupwiththemess and trolling the catholic discussion boards. Why not swap to Instigator?

fedupwiththemess Said "There is no such thing as a christian wiccan. Its a oxy-moron. "

well I would say that considering how many pagans were burned alive by Catholics that calling a Catholic a Christian would be far more insane!

Actually the true message of Jesus that was replaced by the patriarchal insanity of the Catholic Church was more in harmony with the gentle loving ways of the nature worshiping people the patriarchal church branded pagan and burned alive to discourage any more practice of such pagan things as midwifery and so on.

I believe that it IS possible to blend two seemingly incompatible paths. There are many examples of this being done successfully. For example, the Curanduras of Central and South America. The indigenous people were forced to "convert" to Christianity. However, they managed to retain many of their native practices. They replaced the names of their native Gods and Goddesses with the names of Jesus, Mary and the various saints.

Christianity and Wicca are incompatible, if one holds to a more traditional, literal, Fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity. However, there are many Christian scholars who don't support this. Also, one of the concepts of Wicca is that all Gods are one God, and all Goddesses are one Goddess. Therefore, invoking the names of traditionally Christian deities would not be an issue. I myself have a picture of the Black Madonna of Częstochowa that I keep on my altar.

The idea that Christian Wicca is an oxymoron is, in my opinion, held by those who are close-minded to broader definitions of those faiths.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

True one said "Tis true grandpa. Ultimately "God is Love" It is not a "being" but rather a "feeling". And like everything else it can oppose, hence it can feel "good" or it can "hurt like hell". "
well, the experience of infinite egalitarian LOVE is not exactly a feeling but it does engender feelings of awe and profound joy. Often people confuse LOVE as I have described and the word love which is misused all the time like "I surely do love walnut ice cream" and other absurd grammatical constructs.
LOVE can be experienced. Some call it Consciousness or God but naming it is not the same as experiencing it.
A being would be something that we can describe.
The LOVE that is the substrate of the personal existence of each of us is conscious it does have qualities and most importantly it can be experienced.
Science is slowly confirming what mystics have been saying for years. This space time continuum is a projection of a greater reality. It is suspected by many that this projection is holistic in nature. We may soon be in a position here on earth to extend our scientific examination into a realm that religion claimed ownership of without comprehension but lot's of prophet's explanations.
Also LOVE, being the total foundation of all that exists has no opposite. Opposites are something that is a part of the illusion we currently believe to be our only reality here on earth (at least some of us)
Meditation is really the key. I know that both theists and athiests are opposed to any consideration of the validity of statements made by mystics but as a Mystical Atheist I would say that if you want to know who you really are you have to investigate!
here is an interesting discussion of the work of David Bohm and it's implications:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/cie...

That was a good read. Thanks.

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>No, actually that is an interpretation, not that which is actually said within your bible. It does not name your satan as any sort of deity, it states that it deceives others into believing that it is a deity. It is incorrect statements like that which back up the reasoning why Jesus told those that follow him that it is better for them to pray in private that they may know him than it is to proclaim that belief from every streetcorner as the Pharisees do to avoid making such foolish statements.

i love this statment and it says so much yet still saying so little. blessed be my brothers and sisters.

"Christian Wiccan" is a made-up term just to stir the idea that Wiccans can also be "christian". This is nothing new. It's the same raping of other religions that christianity has been doing for the last 1,600 years. If they can't be converted, sneek in and take it over.
Step 1: Make up bogus similarities, no matter how loose.
Step 2: Slowly use propaganda tecniques to replace the gods of the religion being infultrated.(i.e. "Zeus looks so much like jesus, they are the same guy.")
Step 3: Seal the deal by making them believe the new god has always been there and the Old Gods are now devils.

A person comming to terms that religion is man made but looking in the wrong direction

Nifty Witch, you are partly right.A witch (not Wiccan) can be partly Christian. The problem is you have the Pagan Wicca, and the New Age Eclectic Witchcraft.
Eclectic Witches (who often say they are Wiccan, but who are not Wiccan at all) can believe in the Bible, as Eclectic Witchcraft is a personal religion in which anything is possible. You have witches who are atheist, christian, muslim (why not?), buddhist, lightworker (experimental kind of christianity) and so on....Eclectic witches mix and copy all they find personnally usefull.
But then you have Wicca. Wicca is a Pagan religion (not just a "religion", Wicca is not a joke) and does not believe in any Holy Scriptures.So a Wiccan does not believe in the Bible. Respect for the Bible and it's Faith, yes. Believe, no.
So a Wiccan can never be a Christian.
I'm a Greencraft Wiccan and I respect (but do not believe in) Jesus. I do not believe at all in the Christian God. To believe in God you must accept the 10 Commandments. I accept none of the 10.
Fact is, Wicca and Christianity are 2 different religions. There should be respect. In this article, Wicca is not respected.Wicca is not just a "religion"...
Blessed Be!