What was Fort Hood Shooter's Motive?

REALITY
I did NOT hang myself GOD MADE LAWS and we are to FOLLOW those laws YES God sayed VENGEANCE IS MINE meaning HIS but he also put laws into PLACE man made laws OUR GOVERMENT was given by God.
If someone was coming at me with a loaded 45 and I had a loaded gun in my hand it is my right to protect myself and my family and God allows me to protect myself he did NOT say be an idiot like you.
I have NOT been brainwashed by anyone. Your the one brainwashed.
I am NOT a hypocrite to protect my family God never said to allow someone just to kill you. You are an extremist now saying that.

Romans 13
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.
6 Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

Reality wrote:

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So that proves it.
You just hung yourself.
Christ said to be a pacifist and to love your enemies and that the laws, thou shalt not kill,still stand, that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fullfill it. but you say it is alright to kill in self-defense...HYPOCRITE...Ven geance is mine Saith the Lord,I will repay,'{not you Native}'.
Go read for another 35 years, cause' it shows only 35 milli seconds of quotations, came out of the last 35 years.
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You've been brainwashed by this guy and his colleagues...
You might know him as Cain the Preacer
http://www.joshwolk.com/blogs/media/users/jos...
http://msunderestimated.com/PhelpsKane.jpg

Az Zaqqum wrote:

Just one question Abu,
Why do you think he hollered out...allaua akbar??

If I thought I was about to die, you would hear me "holler" this too. Also, as I understand it, this is an unconfirmed report. But then really - so what?

Az Zaqqum wrote:

He didn't use the english word god, he used the arabic, quranic word for god...yet you don't see a connection? Really?

Don't act like a dodo. Why would a Muslim use any other word other than Allah??

Az Zaqqum wrote:

Even if, as you say his family was harrassed...not true btw unless they were harassed by muslims at their mosque

It is reported by the investigating officers that his family had been subject to harassment. Your point is more wishful thinking but have no bearing on the facts. Doesn't stop you make stuff up I guess.

Az Zaqqum wrote:

....but, why bring religion into it? He had to know people would live to hear him say allua akbar.

He didn't. This has nothing to do with religion. If you were facing death, maybe you would cry for your mother. A believer would cry to his Lord - the Exalted.

Az Zaqqum wrote:

If he would have hollered out...I hate this war, or...I hate myself...or, life sucks...islam would probably have not even be brought up. But no. He wanted everyone to know he was killing for allah.

You assume this because despite your hours of research you are still ignorant of Islamic teaching. He invokes Allah before death.

Az Zaqqum wrote:

Is there any reason in particular that only muslims holler out god is great before they kill people??

Because they think they will be killed. They invoke Allah before their death.

I think maybe he was just in the military to get what he could out of it. When they were sending him to Iraq, they called his bluff, and the masquerade was over.

Abu Najda wrote:

You assume his religion has something to do with this. More bullshit.

So perhaps you could enlighten us as to why he refused to deploy to Iraq? I'm pretty sure it was his religion. Are you really going to deny that?

Abu Najda wrote:

If I thought I was about to die, you would hear me "holler" this too. Also, as I understand it, this is an unconfirmed report. But then really - so what?

So you are saying he went there knowing he might die? If so, sounds premeditated to me.

Abu Najda wrote:

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If I thought I was about to die, you would hear me "holler" this too. Also, as I understand it, this is an unconfirmed report. But then really - so what?
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Don't act like a dodo. Why would a Muslim use any other word other than Allah??
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It is reported by the investigating officers that his family had been subject to harassment. Your point is more wishful thinking but have no bearing on the facts. Doesn't stop you make stuff up I guess.
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He didn't. This has nothing to do with religion. If you were facing death, maybe you would cry for your mother. A believer would cry to his Lord - the Exalted.
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You assume this because despite your hours of research you are still ignorant of Islamic teaching. He invokes Allah before death.
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Because they think they will be killed. They invoke Allah before their death.

Your such a liar you defend that man because it arouses you to think of dead American soldiers just like other Muslims in here You would kill us all if you could you only defend him at all because its A muslim American soldier slaughtering innocent non muslim American soldiers AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU GUYS LIKE BETTER HUH?

Abu Najda wrote:

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If I thought I was about to die, you would hear me "holler" this too. Also, as I understand it, this is an unconfirmed report. But then really - so what?
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Don't act like a dodo. Why would a Muslim use any other word other than Allah??
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It is reported by the investigating officers that his family had been subject to harassment. Your point is more wishful thinking but have no bearing on the facts. Doesn't stop you make stuff up I guess.
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He didn't. This has nothing to do with religion. If you were facing death, maybe you would cry for your mother. A believer would cry to his Lord - the Exalted.
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You assume this because despite your hours of research you are still ignorant of Islamic teaching. He invokes Allah before death.
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Because they think they will be killed. They invoke Allah before their death.

If you thought you were going to die AFTER killing kafurs, then that under the law is a pre-meditated killing. Pre-meditated as in, he thought long and hard about killing---not dying for allah.

He didn't shoot himself. And if you do a google, you will have your eye witnesses and ear witnesses, too! But so what, right? The kids of your ummah wasn't targeted, ours were.

You really think all western muslims call god allah? Totally wrong. MissDefendIslam for one, often calls allah god. Screaming out: I'm killing for allah---he was telling the truth. Allua akbar, god is great, so I will kill because my god is great. Many of us don't understand that kind of logic. Must be a sperm and dirt thing, huh?

Why do you say he was facing death?? He created death, HUGE difference, even you have to see that.

You've already admitted several times that my book is authentic.

Bottom line, this guy killed kafurs because allah is great. End of story.

Native wrote:

Msdefend
America did this and America did that YET it is AMERICA who is the first one to hand out FOOD when a crisis hits in one of your muslim countries. STOP BLAMING AMERICA for your islam being a BARBARIC religion that says cry out allah akbar and murder mass people. YOUR RELIGION is the problem NOT America and until you wake up and see this you will continue to blame AMERICA. Who is the one murdering MUSLIMS in Muslim countries? ITS YOUR BROTHERS who are killing innocent Pakastans, Iraq's, Afghanastan muslims NOT the AMERICAN SOLDIERS. American soldiers are trying to get rid of the CRAZY MUSLIMS THAT WANT to blow innocent people up. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your religion. Islam is nothing but a barbaric religion and chopping heads off and throwing acid in peoples face is NOT humane. I do NOT see Christians or Hindu's or Buddist chopping heads off or Jews ITS ONLY MUSLIMS. YOUR THE RELIGION that claims to be PEACEFUL yet your the religion who is fighting against EVERYONE in the world as if your some kind of victim and your NOT. If I was a muslim I would leave islam in a heartbeat just knowing the kind of crimes muslims are committing in the world against their own people its BARBARIC, but thank God I am NOT a muslim and I am a Christian.
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Stop blaming Muslims for what America has done. Are you done with the blame game, because I am. People kill their own people all the time, look at history. Or even today, Americans killing Americans, Canadians killing Canadians, Muslims killing Muslims, etc. Why are they in Iraq, was that their first motive, to get rid of Saddam and bring democracy? Or was it for the oil and the assumption of Saddam WMD's?

Cutting heads are for criminals, no where does the Qur'an or hadith command us to cut the heads of those who do not believe in Islam. There are many things that are not humane, but people still do it. It's not humane to torture prisoners with military dogs, or make naked human pyramids out of them. The thing is, America still did it. Are we fighting against everyone, or is everyone fighting against us? Are we invading countries or are our countries being invaded?

Why would I leave Islam just because of the crimes done by Muslims. I don't look at what the people themselves do because they are not perfect. Everyone transgresses, even you and I. I look at the beauty of the religion itself. The more I learn, the more I love it. These atrocities happening in the Muslim world is a trail and a sign. The Muslims just need to pen their eyes.

you are very mistaken because these somali muslims welcome you to their homes as one of them. you will pray with them because mohammad saw beauty in his religion when he called out to muslims like yourself to smite at necks of those who change religion. do you not see the same beauty of islam as mohammad sees it??

http://somalisforjesus.blogspot.com/2009/01/m...

Msdefend
Always blaming America for your woes huh?
STOP BLAMING AMERICA for your stupid religion of Islam.
Always the oil you guys are such idiots to think we want the oil yet we are paying HIGH gas prices and oil prices here in America.
U do not know Islam well do you?
Your own Quran says

Surah 8:12 says to SMITE ALL OF THEIR FINGER TIPS OFF AND SMITE THEM ABOVE THEIR NECKS in other words CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF your own quran says this

[Yusufali 8:12] Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
[Pickthal 8:12] When thy Lord inspired the angels,(saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

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MsDefendIslam wrote:

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Stop blaming Muslims for what America has done. Are you done with the blame game, because I am. People kill their own people all the time, look at history. Or even today, Americans killing Americans, Canadians killing Canadians, Muslims killing Muslims, etc. Why are they in Iraq, was that their first motive, to get rid of Saddam and bring democracy? Or was it for the oil and the assumption of Saddam WMD's?
Cutting heads are for criminals, no where does the Qur'an or hadith command us to cut the heads of those who do not believe in Islam. There are many things that are not humane, but people still do it. It's not humane to torture prisoners with military dogs, or make naked human pyramids out of them. The thing is, America still did it. Are we fighting against everyone, or is everyone fighting against us? Are we invading countries or are our countries being invaded?
Why would I leave Islam just because of the crimes done by Muslims. I don't look at what the people themselves do because they are not perfect. Everyone transgresses, even you and I. I look at the beauty of the religion itself. The more I learn, the more I love it. These atrocities happening in the Muslim world is a trail and a sign. The Muslims just need to pen their eyes.

MSDEFEND
You muslims have been invading countries for 1400 yrs FORCING people to accept your way of life and forcing sharia law on people that want NOTHING to do with your islam. TAKE YOUR ISLAM BACK TO THE MIDDLEEAST and keep it there.

I have prove YOUR OWN QURAN says in SURAH 8:15
to cut off the heads of the UNBELIEVERS yet you made the statement CUTTING HEADS ARE FOR CRIMINALS, NO where does the Quran or hadith command us to cut the heads of those who do NOT believe in Islam. YES IT DOES
I GUESS YOU MUSLIMS ARE CRIMINALS
LIAR

MSDEFEND
Here is another verse SHEESH WOMAN go and learn your quran it is FULL of cutting heads off and hands and feet. SICK BARBARIC ANIMALS.

Surah
5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Native wrote:

Msdefend
Always blaming America for your woes huh?
STOP BLAMING AMERICA for your stupid religion of Islam.
Always the oil you guys are such idiots to think we want the oil yet we are paying HIGH gas prices and oil prices here in America.
U do not know Islam well do you?
Your own Quran says
Surah 8:12 says to SMITE ALL OF THEIR FINGER TIPS OFF AND SMITE THEM ABOVE THEIR NECKS in other words CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF your own quran says this
[Yusufali 8:12] Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
[Pickthal 8:12] When thy Lord inspired the angels,(saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
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America most likely has something to do with it. They love to put their noses in everything. I know Islam better than you would. I take tafsir classes so I study the chapters of the Qur'an. Not just read them. So what if the Qur'an says that, there's nothing barbaric about it. If you read the whole surah instead of jumping into conclusions, you'd know that this is a war. Learn your history, this is how wars were fought. They made fatal attacks and cut the fingers to neutralize the warrior.(no fingers= can't hold sword)

Native wrote:

MSDEFEND
You muslims have been invading countries for 1400 yrs FORCING people to accept your way of life and forcing sharia law on people that want NOTHING to do with your islam. TAKE YOUR ISLAM BACK TO THE MIDDLEEAST and keep it there.
I have prove YOUR OWN QURAN says in SURAH 8:15
to cut off the heads of the UNBELIEVERS yet you made the statement CUTTING HEADS ARE FOR CRIMINALS, NO where does the Quran or hadith command us to cut the heads of those who do NOT believe in Islam. YES IT DOES
I GUESS YOU MUSLIMS ARE CRIMINALS
LIAR

Christians did too, so don't be a self righteous hypocrite.

lol, surah 8:15 has nothing to do with necks. Read before speak.
"O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them." So NO IT DOES NOT!

I have proven that you are the liar here.

MsDefendIslam wrote:

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America most likely has something to do with it. They love to put their noses in everything. I know Islam better than you would. I take tafsir classes so I study the chapters of the Qur'an. Not just read them. So what if the Qur'an says that, there's nothing barbaric about it. If you read the whole surah instead of jumping into conclusions, you'd know that this is a war. Learn your history, this is how wars were fought. They made fatal attacks and cut the fingers to neutralize the warrior.(no fingers= can't hold sword)

you have very little respect for islam and the history of islam. mohammad did not need america around for him to do what he did. he smited at necks of anyone who changed his religion. as innocent as they were they were still enemies and fight against islam. do you see the beauty of islam yet. he did smite at the necks of 900 young boys.

Native wrote:

MSDEFEND
Here is another verse SHEESH WOMAN go and learn your quran it is FULL of cutting heads off and hands and feet. SICK BARBARIC ANIMALS.
Surah
5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Go learn to read. The Qur'an is not full of beheading because this verse has nothing to do with necks again. Have you read your bible?

MSDEFEND
YOU KNOW ISLAM BETTER THAN ME?
Yet I had to show you from your OWN book that it says CUT THE HEADS OF UNBELIEVERS OFF?
LOL LOL LOL
you LIED on here you said THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY TO CUT OFF THE HEADS OF PEOPLE you openly LIED
and now your EXPOSED as the liar you are.
Nothing barbaric about cutting heads off?
you are one sick lady
get some help

MsDefendIslam wrote:

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Go learn to read. The Qur'an is not full of beheading because this verse has nothing to do with necks again. Have you read your bible?

why do you deny mohammad here.

Native wrote:

BMZ
AGAIN your a LIAR
I have spent 2 hours looking for the information and YOU LIED the only thing that comes up under throwing acid on people is MUSLIMS doing it.
Ya well when you die you will see how much of a really idiot you were because then it will be revealed how islam LIED to you.
You have NO CLUE what CHRISTIANITY is and your lies always come to fore front. YOUR A LIAR bmz
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That is another big Lie, Native.

You wasted two hours just like you wasted 35 years reading all the hocus pocus and the hodge podge of the Christian Bible.

You have to spend days on googling.

Anyway, I will try to help you on a regular basis, when ever I can, to show the atrocities carried out by mad Christians in the name of their Lord Jesus.

Read this non-Muslim source:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1096jew...

Trust me when I say that Christianity has a very dark and filthy past.

Cheers
BMZ

One more, Native.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers1.h...

Will let you have some more later.

Cheers
BMZ