Five primates announce Lambeth Conference boycott

Does anyone really think that an absent group of divisive people will be missed at any gathering? Hardly!

rbird wrote:

Does anyone really think that an absent group of divisive people will be missed at any gathering? Hardly!

so to object to your "leader" selling out to islam is "divisive"? what a PRAT you are.

rbird wrote:

Does anyone really think that an absent group of divisive people will be missed at any gathering? Hardly!

Read this::

Especially number SEVEN...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/article...

More incontrovertible proof that no man can serve two Masters.

KGC

this man is a disgrace. can you imagine Pope Benedict crawling to islam like this? Christianity needs leaders who can lead Crusades, not cowards who run away and betray their people.

Mr Giblets wrote:

this man is a disgrace. can you imagine Pope Benedict crawling to islam like this? Christianity needs leaders who can lead Crusades, not cowards who run away and betray their people.

Have you, by any chance, actually read what the ABC had to say in that lecture? It was, after all, recorded and a transcript has been posted to this site. Or are you merely content to fall victim to the deliberate political manipulation of some ambitious and unscrupulous politicians who pretend to be religious.

And what does any of what the ABC said about Sharia laws in the UK have to do with the Anglican Church in Canada in any case?

so you actually think that 2 laws can co-exist in britain? and why don't you think Canada will the be next? the most obnoxious and poisonous moslems here all claim to be from Canada. I don't really like "christians" like you and the Archbishop who want to surrender to this filthy Middle eastern death cult. It is also VERY political. How can we have 2 laws?

Mr Giblets wrote:

so you actually think that 2 laws can co-exist in britain? and why don't you think Canada will the be next? the most obnoxious and poisonous moslems here all claim to be from Canada. I don't really like "christians" like you and the Archbishop who want to surrender to this filthy Middle eastern death cult. It is also VERY political. How can we have 2 laws?

Like I said before, have you actually read or listened to what the ABC said, or are you just relying on what a sensationalist press and deliberately distorting conservative minority is saying? Look, listen, read and, above all, THINK for yourself!

Again, what does this have to do with the topic(x) subject of the church in Canada? Nothing as far as I can see.

bookguybaltmd wrote:

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Like I said before, have you actually read or listened to what the ABC said, or are you just relying on what a sensationalist press and deliberately distorting conservative minority is saying? Look, listen, read and, above all, THINK for yourself!
Again, what does this have to do with the topic(x) subject of the church in Canada? Nothing as far as I can see.

are you on a closed repeating loop?
I think what the head,(under the Queen) of the world-wide Anglican church says does affect its members world wide. I suppose you would think the Pope only matters in Italy? And I am thinking for myself - and I think that the present Archbishop is a silly wooly-thinking liberal
who imagines you can stop the islamic menace by appeasing them. We have not forgotten the peaceful islamic bombings in London.

Mr Giblets wrote:

<quoted text>are you on a closed repeating loop?
I think what the head,(under the Queen) of the world-wide Anglican church says does affect its members world wide. I suppose you would think the Pope only matters in Italy? And I am thinking for myself - and I think that the present Archbishop is a silly wooly-thinking liberal
who imagines you can stop the islamic menace by appeasing them. We have not forgotten the peaceful islamic bombings in London.

Like I said before:

I am not on a closed loop but I am insisting that you discuss the issue in good faith. Read what the ABC actually SAID. What he said bears little or no resemblance to what you seem to think he said. Open up your mind and hear what he said, not what someone wants to manipulate you into thinking he said. It's publically available, for heaven sake. You don't have to accept my word for it, go and LOOK and LISTEN for YOURSELF.

Like I also said before, what does the Sharia issue in the UK have to do with the Lambeth conference?

BookGuy,

THe Archbishop made some comments that suggested that the administration of Sharia Law by Muslim leades could be acceptable within the Muslim community.

We had a similar type of Law that was administered by the leaders of the Sicilian community here in the U.S.

We determined that very little good came as a result of that allowance. One Law and its legal administration based upon the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is the only acceptable authority.

The Archbishop tried to double-speak his way out of the gaffe. But, this was the expression of an inadequately researched subject.

KGC

KGC wrote:

BookGuy,
THe Archbishop made some comments that suggested that the administration of Sharia Law by Muslim leades could be acceptable within the Muslim community.
We had a similar type of Law that was administered by the leaders of the Sicilian community here in the U.S.
We determined that very little good came as a result of that allowance. One Law and its legal administration based upon the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is the only acceptable authority.
The Archbishop tried to double-speak his way out of the gaffe. But, this was the expression of an inadequately researched subject.
KGC

Oh for heavens sake....

The archbishop did not propose importing Shariah into the criminal law and was referring mostly to divorces in which both sides have agreed to abide by the judgment of a religious tribunal. His proposal was groundbreaking only in extending to Islamic tribunals in Britain a role that Jewish and Christian ones have long played in the judicial systems of secular societies. Courts in the United States have endorsed all three kinds of tribunals. The archbishop’s central point seemed to be that people should be able to agree to have family law cases resolved by religious courts if all concerned agree. This seems like motherhood and apple pie to me. If everyone agrees to religious arbitration, why not Muslim as well as Christian or Jewish as an option?

First the family courts...Then what?

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/six-...

Scroll down a bit there is even a little note to the Archbishop...

Sundance wrote:

First the family courts...Then what?

Aw come-on! Don't you think you're over-reacting more than a little here? All the ABC said was that, if the law is going to recognize religious law for civil arbitration for things like divoce and child care (as it already does for the Christian religion in the UK and as it does for ANY religion in the US - including Islam for YEARS), it should recognize religions evenly. His point was that the law should not favor one religion as an arbitrator over another religion. What's the problem with that? In US law, as long as the religious courts don't violate civil or criminal law or the civil rights of the individuals involved, mutually agreed arbitration is arbitration and has legal standing. We've had this for YEARS AND YEARS and it's not been controversial at all.

It looks like some people are trying to make up a controversy where there really shouldn't be much if any....

bookguybaltmd wrote:

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Aw come-on! Don't you think you're over-reacting more than a little here? All the ABC said was that, if the law is going to recognize religious law for civil arbitration for things like divorce and child care (as it already does for the Christian religion in the UK and as it does for ANY religion in the US - including Islam for YEARS), it should recognize religions evenly. His point was that the law should not favor one religion as an arbitrator over another religion. What's the problem with that? In US law, as long as the religious courts don't violate civil or criminal law or the civil rights of the individuals involved, mutually agreed arbitration is arbitration and has legal standing. We've had this for YEARS AND YEARS and it's not been controversial at all.
It looks like some people are trying to make up a controversy where there really shouldn't be much if any....

lol.. You want to know something? And please do,nt take this the wrong way, but i like you. I like the way you get across the distress you feel at what is being put before you...
I was only baiting you a little, so please forgive me :)
Anyway, as you are obviously well informed and educated so I guess I better watch what I say, lest I get torn to bits..
This is what I think about this....
There would be little point for many in the UK( including myself) in reading the Archbishops lecture as understanding his "highmindedness" would be beyond most...
The lecture with the law society was scheduled,fair enough, and would have past by ,virtually unnoticed, like a ship in the night, had the dear old doctor not decided to first make an appearance on BBC radio that afternoon..
It was then that the damage was done..
You must understand that the mere mention of sharia in the UK is the veritable red rag to the bull, it puts people defense radar automatically to high alert and when the tabloids got hold of it, well, there could only have been one result..
This is about perception, and the Archbishop should have been more aware of the politics of his remarks...

Maybe he should stick to tending his own flock? I do,nt know as I,m not a Christian, but the things I,ve seen and read lead me to believe he has damaged the Church and at the same time has hurt his followers in Islamic lands.

Regards

Dear BookGuy,

ABC made a mistake. Over the decades, Muslims have established a significant presense in Great Britain. Of late, among this Muslim population, radical Islam has also established its presense.

Sharia Law cannot be only "partly" allowed. Those who would establish Sharia, will press for its fullness.

You make a parallel with Christians and Jews. Well, think about it. Do we burn witches today? Do we stone adulteresses? Do Brits who are Orthodox Jewish follow Leviticus to the Letter?

No, my friend. This is different. There are standing Fatwas in the european Muslim community, calling for the death of Muslims and others who have dared to speak out against the practice of extreme Sharia justice or who have exercised their Right to speak freely in disagreement or depiction of Muhammad.

KGC

KGC