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School sued for punishing teens over MySpace pix

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“The sheep need protection.”

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Nov 3, 2009
 
Okay wrote:
Since everyone complains about the schools all the time then just close them. All public schools. Not a nickle of taxpayer money for education.
If you can't educate your own child or have money for a private school too bad.
Pay for your own health care or die.
Oar for your own education or remain stupid. Pay for your own babysitters too because your kids will be home. Of course that will only be a problem for those who can't pay tuition to a private school.
Good luck with that...the dumbing down of America is now complete.
It appears the dumbing down has already started by just reading this comment. I know you need your hand held and the government to do everything for you. The rest of us can live our lives without the government's help.

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Nov 3, 2009
 
The Hero wrote:
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It appears the dumbing down has already started by just reading this comment. I know you need your hand held and the government to do everything for you. The rest of us can live our lives without the government's help.
How would we know?

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Quinteshia wrote:
As for the Harvard professor, what part about HOME does he not understand? Only PARENTS have the right to punish kids for what happens at home.
We need a new constitutional amendment to guarantee absolute self-expression for kids. It will forbid uniforms and ban all punishment for behaviors off of school property. Children need to be taught at an early age that ALL others have a right to self-expression and that actions taken against self-expression must be punished. I mean, sure, some say letting them choose what they wear is disruptive. However, that is a good teaching experience. Those who choose to be disruptive based on what others wear are the ones who need to be punished. They can just as easily put in the rules that those who react in a disruptive manner to what others wear will be punished severely. And put a zero tolerance policy on bullying in place.
Back to texting, they can punish the ones who bring the photos or whatever to school and the ones who choose to react in a disruptive manner.
Lets see what this current rule teaches. It basically teaches that others are responsible for your behavior, that if someone does something out of the ordinary or that is non-PC, that you have the right to act in a disruptive manner. So if you see someone picking their nose in public after you graduate, then according to this type of school policy, you have a right to kick their ass, and it is all their fault for picking their nose. A mentally mature person would just ignore the person who is grossly violating the rules of ettiquette, not physically attack them. School rules need to prepare kids for the real world, not isolate them from it.
Even home school kids get a better dose of the real world because they are not strapped with counter-intuitive rules that impede their development as individuals and good citizens. And really, less socialization is better. The issue is quality socialization. If your kid comes home knocked up or a father and drug addicted, or is a victim of bullies, then they were "socialized" too much.
Schools now refer to your children as 'your students'. This is also reinforced by the media- schools are let out early for weather, terror threat, whatever, "parents were allowed to pick up their students at the school..."
Two phrasings in that quote bother me-'allowed': it's MY kid, and by the way, she's my daughter not 'my student'. This is the way it's ALWAYS expressed here now. Your child, attending public school is Dept of Education property, they only allow them to come home with you during certain hours.

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Also, I hope they don't win- that only hurts the taxpayer. If they were directly allowed to sue the people involved in the punishment, that might stop some future a'hole from doing the same.
Take his job, too.
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Nov 3, 2009
 
The Hero wrote:
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It appears the dumbing down has already started by just reading this comment. I know you need your hand held and the government to do everything for you. The rest of us can live our lives without the government's help.
The constant complaints against public school is designed to chip away at them to justify getting'vouchers' "for home schooling" which is often done by one of those tutor programs, or to send them to a local 'church' run school.

If you don't want your child in public school you have options but to take funds away from it forget it. If public school is so bad then just close them and save the taxes.

Let parent take care of their own babysitting and education.

Isn't that the attitude about everything else? Feed yourself or starve? Live in the street but we will hate you for it? If you don't have health insurance die?

All of us who have no children including those whose kids are grown, why should we continue to pay for this while listening to people gripe about it?
Bleeding Fart Liberal

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Nov 3, 2009
 
Okay wrote:
<quoted text>The constant complaints against public school is designed to chip away at them to justify getting'vouchers' "for home schooling" which is often done by one of those tutor programs, or to send them to a local 'church' run school.
If you don't want your child in public school you have options but to take funds away from it forget it. If public school is so bad then just close them and save the taxes.
Let parent take care of their own babysitting and education.
Isn't that the attitude about everything else? Feed yourself or starve? Live in the street but we will hate you for it? If you don't have health insurance die?
All of us who have no children including those whose kids are grown, why should we continue to pay for this while listening to people gripe about it?
But what about the kids?
What is best for THEM?

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Nov 3, 2009
 
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That is why they MUST be allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. Isolation doesn't help.
Rules should NEVER be counter-intuitive. Allow self-expression, even if it is harmful, and punish those who CAUSE the consequences. If a boy wants to dress as a girl, that should be his right, but if others use that as an excuse to cause a disruption, they should be sent home, and if they bully, they should be expelled and sent to jail school.
how will they learn from their mistakes if they aren't punished for making them. You're asking for a world without rules for children, but without rules, there are no consequences, and thus no learning.
I used to believe that we should leave this kind of stuff up to parents, but so many parents fail at parenting, and these kids deserve better.
Sure, this case is over the line, but in general, the school has to take responsibilty to educate kids on moral and social issues as well as academic, for the sole reason that many parents fail to do so.

Do you think we would have half as many obese kids if the parents brought a little discipline to snack time?
Jerian

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#30
Nov 9, 2009
 
My grandson is 10 yrs old and he spent the day in in school suspension this is why on last week a student of his age trough
and hit him on the side of his head with a ball.
He in turn hit that student. the kid with the ball received no punishment at all. The principal explained that if my grandson had
not used his fist to retaliate then there would have been no suspension at all, that when he hit the bully with his fist it was considered an assault I don't understand what is your take

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Nov 9, 2009
 
Jerian wrote:
My grandson is 10 yrs old and he spent the day in in school suspension this is why on last week a student of his age trough
and hit him on the side of his head with a ball.
He in turn hit that student. the kid with the ball received no punishment at all. The principal explained that if my grandson had
not used his fist to retaliate then there would have been no suspension at all, that when he hit the bully with his fist it was considered an assault I don't understand what is your take
Happen when I was in school. A boy spit on me and hit me 3 times. I hit him back and I got 3 days oss. this was in middle school.

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Nov 9, 2009
 
Lost Sheep wrote:
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Happen when I was in school. A boy spit on me and hit me 3 times. I hit him back and I got 3 days oss. this was in middle school.
Some things are worth a suspension
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#33
Nov 10, 2009
 
Jerian wrote:
My grandson is 10 yrs old and he spent the day in in school suspension this is why on last week a student of his age trough
and hit him on the side of his head with a ball.
He in turn hit that student. the kid with the ball received no punishment at all. The principal explained that if my grandson had
not used his fist to retaliate then there would have been no suspension at all, that when he hit the bully with his fist it was considered an assault I don't understand what is your take
My take:

The punishment was correct. Never use your hands (i.e. fist) to hit someone, you'll get in trouble. Smart kids would learn this quickly and hurl rocks at their target instead.
Mia X

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Tuesday Nov 10
 
Although I don't agree with the gestures of the description of the photos, I do not feel it is appropriate for the school to punish these girls. What goes on before and after the hours of school is not their business. Especially what goes on in the childrens home Unless the girls are being assaulted, but if they want to act like tram*s on the internet, thats their deal. And where are the parents in this? where is the adult supervision at home? The school should have never gotten themselves involved. How did they find the pictures anyway? To me it sounds like invasion of privacy. I do not agre with that not to mentionthe fact it was during summer vacay. Hope these girls win and hope they also learn that next time they post pics like that atleast make them private!
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