Man Leaves Child In Freezing Car While He Visits Teen Girl

mike_lee wrote:

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I don't think so, he's been in jail since he was arrested and will likely stay in jail until his trial. They upgraded his charges (due to the publicity no doubt) so he will spend substantial time in jail. The charge he now faces is max 6 years. I would think a plea deal for time served when his trial comes up sometime around April would be enough to teach him his lesson. But I expect more because people are so vindictive. A doctor can kill you with poor hygiene or the wrong medicine and no one cares.(Doctors are the third leading cause of death in America)
Forget the 13 year old she's not really a part of this story it could have been a casino or pachiko parlor (they have the same problem in Japan)

forget the 13 year old? WHy? DO you WANT society to accept that part of the event as OK?

DOCTORS KILL? What a cynical outlook ... of course, doctors do make mistakes like anyone else. Because of the nature of their job they are under a far closer microscope than most people. they are direclty inovvled in the life or death decisions which few other people are.

Remember they are trying to save people not kill them ... so the deaths that do occur happen for reasons other than malevolence. YOur attitudue would make it so no one wants to be a doctor anymore ... then watch how many poeple die every year OK?

ANd what do you mean no one cares? OF course they care .. doctors are in court all the time for their mistakes. That is because someone who cared made a stink instead of just accepting that the doctor could not have done better .

It is all about priorities and this guy chose his. Thankfully someone heard the knock and opened their door or he would be facing murder II or manslaughter.
It's times like this that I wish no one was allowed to have a child and be a parent until they pass the
How to be healthy during pregnancy,
Parenting children ages 0-18, Parenting special needs children ages 0 - 30+
and if they don't pass they don't get their "I can have a healthy pregnancy and be an educated parent who makes healthy choices" degree

SarahMoon wrote:

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Whoa, wait a minute...I'm calling bullshit. De-sensitization is EXACTLY why we are where we are as far as the media and entertainment goes. They are pushing the envelope everytime soemthing new comes out. When I was a kid they didn't say piss (among other words/ inuendos) on TV. And I'm only 43. The crap that is on TV, radio, billboards and in the movies today is way over the top compared to even 20 years ago!!

George Carlin got famous on his "7 words you can't say on TV"

"There are 400,000 words in the English language and there are 7
of them you can't say on television.
399,993 to 7. They must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous
to be seperated from a group that large. All of you over here,you 7,
Bad Words. "That's a bad word!" No bad words, bad thoughts, bad intentions,
and words. You know the 7, don't you, that you can't say on television?
"Sh!t, P!ss, F^ck, C^nt, CockS^cker, MotherF^cker, and T!ts"
Those are the heavy seven. Those are the ones that'll infect your soul,
curve your spine, and keep the country from winning the war.
..and T!ts doesn't even belong on the list. That is such a friendly
sounding word. It sounds like a nickname, right? "Hey, T!its, come here,
man. Hey T!ts, meet Toots. Toots, T!ts. T!ts, Toots." It sounds like a
snack, doesn't it? Yes, I know, it is a snack. I don't mean your sexist
snack. I mean New Nabisco T!ts!, and new Cheese T!ts, Corn T!ts,
Pizza T!ts, Sesame T!ts, Onion T!ts, Tater T!ts. "Betcha Can't Eat Just
One." That's true.
Actually none of the words belong on the list,
but you can understand why some of them are there. I'm not
completely insensetive to people's feelings. I can understand why
some of those words got on the list, like CockS^cker and
MotherF^cker. Those are heavyweight words. There is a lot going on
there. Besides the literal translation and the emotional feeling.
I mean, they're just busy words. There's a lot of syllables to contend
with. And those Ks, those are agressive sounds. They just jump out at
you like "c0CKs^CKer, motherf^CKer. coCKs^CKer, motherf^CKer."
It's like an assualt on you. We mentioned Shit earlier, and 2 of the
other 4-letter Anglo-Saxon words are P!ss and C^nt, which go
together of course. A little accedental humor there. The reason that
P!ss and C^nt are on the list is because a long time ago, there were
certain ladies that said "Those are the 2 I am not going to say. I
don't mind F^ck and Sh!t but 'P' and 'C' are out.", which led to such
stupid sentences as "Okay you f^ckers, I'm going to tinkle now."
And, of course, the word F^ck. Well that's more
accedental humor, I don't wanna get into that now because I think
it takes to long. But I do mean that. I think the word F^ck is a very
important word. It is the beginning of life, yet it is a word we use to
hurt one another quite often. "

OK, so now SH!t, P!ss and T!ts are OK on TV already, and the other words are there on pay per view.

PLease note the editing to pass the TOPIX censors. LOL!!!!

Blame society, your society, your America! Greedy,self centered, wasteful, oversexed, overpaid, pill popping, backstabbing, overeating,spoiled rotten, Bible loving, lazy, drug using, two faced, fast driving, retards. We need to raise the speed limits(100mph), lower the drinking age(16yrs young)and make sure every girl is pregnant, legalize all drugs. Only than will the retards of America be happy!And make sure guys are going out and getting every girl he sleeps with pregnant. Nobody seems to care!!Some of these morons get girl after girl pregnant and nobody does nothing, losers. Instead of complaining and blaming, DO SOMETHING!!!If it happens in your town its your problem, your screwed up society. America is winning the battle with stupidity! Take your meds and watch TV.

That piece of crap needs to be put in prison and let big BUBBA get a hold of him!That stupid Bastard!

mike_lee wrote:

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"Memory makes the heart grow fonder" as the bard said. The flappers of the 20 were no better no worse then the emo kids of today. The teen pregnancy rate in 1946 was higher then it is today. They didn't curse on TV but they all cursed up a blue streak when the camera's stopped.
Double entendre like "Ward, you were a little hard on the beaver last night" or "Is that a banana in your pocket or are you glad to see me." are no accident. The first use of film was overwhelmingly for pornography, in fact pornography drove the technology.
The movie and TV industry self censored to protect themselves not out of any sense of duty
"When moving pictures first emerged at the turn of the century, they presented viewers with a flickering new form of entertainment. Even without sound, the mass appeal of these early movies and their portrayal of sex and violence managed to draw fire from America's moral guardians. In the 1930s, film industry executives embraced a strict set of guidelines, or Production Code, that governed movie content for two decades.
Hollywood Censored: Movies, Morality & the Production Code, premiering on PBS Wednesday, February 2, 2000 at 9pm (check local listings), explores how the American motion picture industry practiced self-censorship as a strategy for cultural and economic survival to answer growing charges of immorality."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/beyond/h...

you brought up the teen preganncy rate in 1946 once before. Did you read my answer?

1946 .. the year after all those young soldiers came back from the war. The beginning of the baby boom. hunderds of thousands of 17 and 18 year old sweethearts got married just before JOhnny went to war.

Of course the "teen" pregnancy rate went through the roof that year .. although the great majority of them were 18 or 19.

I'll bet if you checked, the teen pregnancy rate for 15 or 16 was less than today.

Jeff T in MPLS wrote:

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Right on, Sarah. I am more than twice your age. When I got caught doing stuff in the neighborhood (and I did), my neighbors mom or dad would grab me by the ear and march me home. Still holding my sore ear, my mom would give me a smack and tell me to go to my room and wait for my father. Up until then, I was just sore. At that moment, I was scared!
Then I would spend X amount of time waiting...knowing what was coming. And I got it. And, more importantly, I deserved it.
Today, no one is allowed to punish their kid. Not even the parents. Go ahead, smack your kid. If they call 911, you go to jail.
Think I am being alarmist? Extreme?
I caught my daughter doing drugs in the house last year. All I did was stop her from hitting me and yelling at her. She ran out the door, called 911 and I spent Easter evening in jail (pretty good chili dog).
I am still paying money for that little incident of protecting her two younger siblings from her drug induced rant.
Lawyers, court fees, time off of work. Oh yeah. It would have been $5000 cheaper to let her smoke in peace.
But then I would be a crappy parent.

perfect example. Sorry to hear of your painful experinece ...

you are right, it seems like a "no win" situaiotn.

I hope in a few months or years your daughter figures out how much she hurt you and apologizes.

Wayne wrote:

Evidently, you are a crappy parent. You've got a violent crime on your criminal record, a daughter who both hates you and uses drugs, and you're trying to justify domestic violence (you were convicted, obviously there was more to it, loser) to a bunch of strangers. Your method of "protecting" your other kids was so easy for everyone involved to confuse with battery that it cost you five grand. You're a liar.
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while you might be right and he could be covering up (and many people do), I will tell yu that I've heard too many accounts of times when someone basically "got framed" ans it was the word of the alleged victem against the "bad man perpetrator" ... and with no other evidence the conviction went through based on one word against the other. You can't know unless you were there.

One of the most telling such accounts came from the CHILD of such a man ... the divorce case happened when he was 6. The wife accused the father of beating his children and she got full customdy and he was barred from seeing his children until they turned 18. The mother spent the next decade telling her kids what a rotten scumbag their father was ... yet neither he or his brother could ever remember getting hit or even yelled at by their father ...

WHen they were old enough they sought out ther father, who told them that they had threatend to put him in jail if he prusied tryign to get access to his sons. They learned that he had remarried and his kids said their fathe rnever laid a hand on them. Finally they confronted their mother who finally admitted that she "may have exagerated" to gain custody of her sons ... she had no job or work experience (this was the 1970's) so she was afraid she would loose custody to him, who had a job.

Wayne wrote:

Evidently, you are a crappy parent. You've got a violent crime on your criminal record, a daughter who both hates you and uses drugs, and you're trying to justify domestic violence (you were convicted, obviously there was more to it, loser) to a bunch of strangers. Your method of "protecting" your other kids was so easy for everyone involved to confuse with battery that it cost you five grand. You're a liar.
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...and the award for "The Biggest Loser" is...WAYNE!!

If you've ever been a teenager you should understand that they will do whatever the heck they want to if they don't fear the consequences. This was obviously a case of that. Who are the cops more likely to trust? A good actress or an obviously stressed parent? I've seen where kids get others on their side with a few fake tears and a made-up sob story. Heck, I'm guilty of it myself a time or two to get what I wanted. His daughter KNEW she could call the cops and they'd back her up no matter what the story was that she made up, because the schools tell our children this every day. More and more GOOD parents are being punished for doing the right thing and being labeled "crappy" parents while the REAL crappy parents are letting their kids get away with whatever they want. Discipline is NOT child abuse if used properly. It is only child abuse when the parents lose control and let their anger do to punishing. Spanking is not bad, IMO. I was spanked and I am grateful I didn't turn out like my friends who weren't.(Smokers, alcoholics, 2 got pregnant before 17, and 3 have died from drug over doses) I knew what would happen to me if I ever came home drunk, high, pregnant, or just plain late for curfew, and I wanted to avoid it like the plague. I was lucky my parents said "screw the liberals" and cared enough about us to parent us properly. Had this man been able to be in control of his family from the start with the law on his side, this situation never would have happened.

Your stellar outlook on parenting skills make me wish I never end up with one of your offspring in class, and I pity the poor sap who does.

franko wrote:

<quoted text>forget the 13 year old? WHy? DO you WANT society to accept that part of the event as OK?
DOCTORS KILL? What a cynical outlook ... of course, doctors do make mistakes like anyone else. Because of the nature of their job they are under a far closer microscope than most people. they are direclty inovvled in the life or death decisions which few other people are.
Remember they are trying to save people not kill them ... so the deaths that do occur happen for reasons other than malevolence. YOur attitudue would make it so no one wants to be a doctor anymore ... then watch how many poeple die every year OK?
ANd what do you mean no one cares? OF course they care .. doctors are in court all the time for their mistakes. That is because someone who cared made a stink instead of just accepting that the doctor could not have done better .

No Doctors are the third leading cause of death in America JAMA

http://www.google.com/search...

franko wrote:

<quoted text>George Carlin got famous on his "7 words you can't say on TV"
"There are 400,000 words in the English language and there are 7
of them you can't say on television.
399,993 to 7. They must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous
to be seperated from a group that large. All of you over here,you 7,
Bad Words. "That's a bad word!" No bad words, bad thoughts, bad intentions,
and words. You know the 7, don't you, that you can't say on television?
"Sh!t, P!ss, F^ck, C^nt, CockS^cker, MotherF^cker, and T!ts"
Those are the heavy seven. Those are the ones that'll infect your soul,
curve your spine, and keep the country from winning the war.
..and T!ts doesn't even belong on the list. That is such a friendly
sounding word. It sounds like a nickname, right? "Hey, T!its, come here,
man. Hey T!ts, meet Toots. Toots, T!ts. T!ts, Toots." It sounds like a
snack, doesn't it? Yes, I know, it is a snack. I don't mean your sexist
snack. I mean New Nabisco T!ts!, and new Cheese T!ts, Corn T!ts,
Pizza T!ts, Sesame T!ts, Onion T!ts, Tater T!ts. "Betcha Can't Eat Just
One." That's true.
Actually none of the words belong on the list,
but you can understand why some of them are there. I'm not
completely insensetive to people's feelings. I can understand why
some of those words got on the list, like CockS^cker and
MotherF^cker. Those are heavyweight words. There is a lot going on
there. Besides the literal translation and the emotional feeling.
I mean, they're just busy words. There's a lot of syllables to contend
with. And those Ks, those are agressive sounds. They just jump out at
you like "c0CKs^CKer, motherf^CKer. coCKs^CKer, motherf^CKer."
It's like an assualt on you. We mentioned Shit earlier, and 2 of the
other 4-letter Anglo-Saxon words are P!ss and C^nt, which go
together of course. A little accedental humor there. The reason that
P!ss and C^nt are on the list is because a long time ago, there were
certain ladies that said "Those are the 2 I am not going to say. I
don't mind F^ck and Sh!t but 'P' and 'C' are out.", which led to such
stupid sentences as "Okay you f^ckers, I'm going to tinkle now."
And, of course, the word F^ck. Well that's more
accedental humor, I don't wanna get into that now because I think
it takes to long. But I do mean that. I think the word F^ck is a very
important word. It is the beginning of life, yet it is a word we use to
hurt one another quite often. "
OK, so now SH!t, P!ss and T!ts are OK on TV already, and the other words are there on pay per view.
PLease note the editing to pass the TOPIX censors. LOL!!!!

When the warning comes up you can just submit it again and it takes it. I'm sure you knew that but thought I'd mention it.

neutral one wrote:

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...and the award for "The Biggest Loser" is...WAYNE!!
If you've ever been a teenager you should understand that they will do whatever the heck they want to if they don't fear the consequences. This was obviously a case of that. Who are the cops more likely to trust? A good actress or an obviously stressed parent? I've seen where kids get others on their side with a few fake tears and a made-up sob story. Heck, I'm guilty of it myself a time or two to get what I wanted. His daughter KNEW she could call the cops and they'd back her up no matter what the story was that she made up, because the schools tell our children this every day. More and more GOOD parents are being punished for doing the right thing and being labeled "crappy" parents while the REAL crappy parents are letting their kids get away with whatever they want. Discipline is NOT child abuse if used properly. It is only child abuse when the parents lose control and let their anger do to punishing. Spanking is not bad, IMO. I was spanked and I am grateful I didn't turn out like my friends who weren't.(Smokers, alcoholics, 2 got pregnant before 17, and 3 have died from drug over doses) I knew what would happen to me if I ever came home drunk, high, pregnant, or just plain late for curfew, and I wanted to avoid it like the plague. I was lucky my parents said "screw the liberals" and cared enough about us to parent us properly. Had this man been able to be in control of his family from the start with the law on his side, this situation never would have happened.
Your stellar outlook on parenting skills make me wish I never end up with one of your offspring in class, and I pity the poor sap who does.

I think that it is difficult to know for sure what really happened and as the saying goes, "There are Three sides to a story-- Mine-Yours and the Truth!"

Usually though-A person will not go to jail for a domestic violence unless charges are placed by the person being on the receiving end of the violence OR if there are any bruises or red marks or any obvious
injury then the police will just take the person in without a request from the person on the receiving end of the violence.

It is not unusual to have a blended
family then have one or two children together from a second marriage. Often what will happen is the older child feels left out or not loved enough because the type of attention is not the same toward her/him as it is to the couples child/ren they had together.
Behavioural attention seeking is not unusual-unfortunately often it is sought in a negative way and parents easily fall into the trap of providing attention to the negative behaviour.

Being a teen is difficult for sure and most of us have been there abd remember it - so an outburst from a teen is not surprising at all.

Seems the point now should be for balance and harmony to be regained within the family because outbursts like that affects everyone

while it is true that children now have it drilled in their head to call 911 -seems to me any reasonable discipline would not result in arrest.
my son got upset with me once and actually said he was going to call 911 and tell them that I was being mean and then I would go to jail and I handed him the phone and told him to please go ahead and call. he didn't-because he knew he was the one misbehaving (I never even spanked my child) that was the last time he ever pulled that though.

mike_lee wrote:

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No Doctors are the third leading cause of death in America JAMA
http://www.google.com/search...

"Medical errors" are totally different than murder. Also, they have a chart in the article that breaks it down.

106,000 deaths are non-error/negative effects of drugs. I have experienced this first hand, but luckily they caught it before it was fatal to me. I'm allergic to iodine, but never knew it until I needed an IVP done for a kidney stone and the dye they used was iodine based. It was completely in my bloodstream before we realized I was allergic, but they had fast acting, powerful drugs on hand because it was a common occurrence. I don't see how a doctor deliberately tried to kill me in that situation, seeing as I didn't even know of my allergy after 18 years, how could he have possibly known on our first encounter?

80,000 are due to hospital infections. Now, unless a doctor or nurse is deliberately shooting infections in people, this isn't the same thing as murder, either. Wounds will fester and infections can develop anywhere. Hospitals try their best to keep things sterile, but what do you expect when you gather all the sick people in the county in one building? Maybe if doctors didn't have to spend so much on malpractice insurance they'd be able to spend more money so the hospitals could have private rooms for every patient...

45,000 on other hospital errors, such as the prioritization of the symptoms of patients. A person who is bleeding profusely usually trumps a tummy ache on first glance. Who knew the person was suffering from internal bleeding and the death could have been prevented if they'd ignored the mother in pre-term labor?

12,000 on unnecessary surgery. Have you ever seen the show House? Sometimes the ONLY way to find something out for sure is to cut a person open and look. Sometimes it turned out that the person didn't need it, but doctors aren't psychic, nor do they have equipment available that lets them know 100% what is going on inside a person's body that is causing them pain. MRI's, CT scans, and x-rays are often difficult to read and many times inconclusive. I had a broken ankle once and the doctor couldn't tell with the first x-rays because the swelling hid the fracture. 2 weeks later he was able to determine that it had 3 different hairline fractures.

7,000 to medication errors. Sometimes people with the same name end up in the hospital at the same time and their charts get mixed up. There was another "neutral one" (you get my drift) at my OB/GYN office and they constantly were mixing us up. In fact, they almost prepped me for delivery using iodine because they'd grabbed the wrong chart and my allergy information wasn't on there. Mistakes happen, people are human, you can't expect them to be perfect 100% of the time.

None of these incidents show maliciousness or intent to kill people. None of these incidents involve child molestation or endangerment by being left outside to freeze to death. Are these incidents sad? Yes, they are, but life happens, these things were honest accidents that could happen to anybody. Almost cleaning 20 year old "neutral one" with iodine while 26 year old "neutral one" was down the hall for a check up and the nurse switched the charts isn't leaving a 4 year old in a freezing car to go and "hang out" with a 13 year old in her bed for over 2 hours, wouldn't you agree?

in the beating of a heart wrote:

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...my son got upset with me once...

I understand that some are capable of getting their children to behave without spanking by following through with their threats and calling bluffs. You called your son's bluff and showed him you didn't fear him. Many kids are given what they want to pacify them because parents are afraid of their children. My friends I spoke of had no respect for their parents, even at a young age. Their moms would yell up the stairs that it was time to clean up, and they'd yell back for her to shut up and give them more time. If I even dared yell back anything but "Okay, Mom!" I'd regret it. My parents didn't tolerate any form of disrespect towards adults. Spanking was a last resort for us. If we were "sassy" or spoke bad words, we got our mouths "washed out" with soap. If we were fighting one another, we were forced to stand and hug one another, and for every pinch or poke we tried to annoy and get each other back with she'd add another minute of our forced togetherness. If we didn't finish our homework when she asked, we were grounded from anything electronic. Other punishments included extra chores. We had the cleanest toilets in the world...you could eat off of them if you wanted because they were scrubbed so often... The only times we were spanked were when we wouldn't stop after she asked us 2 times. We didn't get "3 strikes", and we didn't need them, either, to tell the truth. We learned at a young age that you listen to Mom and you listen fast. If we did receive a spanking, we were sent to our rooms to think about why we got spanked. Then my parents, both of them, would come upstairs and talk to us after we all had a chance to calm down from the incident. They would explain to us that they had already asked us to stop and we wouldn't pay attention, so they were forced to spank us to get us to listen to them. It was an attention-getter, really, not a punishment. It was only ever 2 quick flicks to the rear with a wooden spoon, nothing more. We knew we'd really done it when we heard the kitchen drawer whip open and shut real fast, and we tried to correct our behavior quickly before she got there in the hopes that she'd change her mind. Sometimes she did, but sometimes we were the unlucky (yet deserving) examples that she wasn't spewing empty threats. The punishment was them telling us how disappointed they were in the fact that we wouldn't listen. Sometimes grabbing us and making us look them in the eyes wasn't enough (especially for my older brother who was a hothead...) We knew our parents would carry out any threat they gave us to ensure our behavior, and that is what has been lost in today's society. "We need to love our children, and making them fear us isn't love". Bull crap. I knew my parents loved me, and there is a difference between fear and respect. There is also a difference between fearing the parent and fearing the consequence. I never feared my parents as people, only the consequences I knew I deserved.
People have lost respect for everything. Respect for life, respect for the elderly, respect for teachers, respect for police officers...respect isn't a trait we are born with, it is something we are taught to do. This guy had no respect for life seeing as he left a 4 year old in freezing weather, he had no respect for law seeing as he did the aforementioned deed as well as spending 2 hours in a bed with a minor, and he had no respect for himself seeing as there were drugs in his car. All of this could have been prevented had he been taught values and respect. The fact that he wasn't doesn't excuse him because he is more than capable of common sense at 22 years old...

Easy and quick......one minute, one bullet.

Some people should not be parents!

I forgot to add that in our discussions after spankings my parents always made sure we knew they loved us. They explained that they were correcting our behavior because they loved us, too, and wanted us to grow up and be happy, responsible, mature, intelligent adults. We would then spend about 10 minutes talking over the incident, what both sides could have changed if there was a misunderstanding, and then we made a pact to try and communicate better in the future. Group hugs came next, and then we went downstairs and proceeded in whatever family activity was planned for that night. I never doubted my parent's love for me, even after receiving the rare spanking. I may have thought they "didn't understand" me, but that is totally different. And, looking back, they understood me more than I understood myself.

you guys got it wrong, first you complain about leaving the kids in the sun now it is cold next thing you no it will be something simple like in a strip club with a bunch of naked ladies i am sorry but yes he should be hung up like a creep he is just messing with you on the first part happy new year lets treet our kids right love them not freeze them

mike_lee wrote:

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No Doctors are the third leading cause of death in America JAMA
http://www.google.com/search...

I read that in your first post, I am not blind and i knew what you meant. But you totally ignored what I said. WHy not respond the content of my post?

mike_lee wrote:

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When the warning comes up you can just submit it again and it takes it. I'm sure you knew that but thought I'd mention it.

actually, it has been my experience in TOPIX that quite often the post appears to go through with the warning but next day it is gone. SOMetimes I have seen the warning when no questionable word was anywhere in my post or what the previous poster said that I was replying to, and lo and behold, next day the post was gone.

For a post as long as this and the time invovled (I edited out about 200 words from Carlin's monologue) I was not going to risk having it deleted.