ZigmunnDroid

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Better communications by police could have reduced gun-sales di...

If you are agreeing his post illustrates the legal authority to deprive rights with due process, you will have to show me. Due process applies to life liberty and property. These things are also called executions, prisons and confiscations. Nothing about any kind of due process to deprive anyone of rights. Just life liberty and property. Apparently, the founding fathers felt there was no process justified to deprive someone of their enumerated rights.  (31 min ago | post #19501)

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And again. "nor be deprived of life liberty or property". I do not see anything in there about rights being deprived whether you have due process or not. Apparently, the founding fathers thought there were NO OCCASIONS that justified rights being deprived. If you can see anywhere in your statement that shows the word "rights" I would appreciate you pointing that out.  (36 min ago | post #19500)

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Yep. I proved your point. Far to many people as stupid as you vote. Dam shame too. But I digress. Any otherworldly comment on the monetary control the US Gov has on the states not granted by the USC.  (41 min ago | post #19499)

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Concealed carry does not make us safer

Damn, sometimes I post just to see my own words.  (43 min ago | post #2529)

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Concealed carry does not make us safer

I am reminded of the soldier who was getting bayonet training from the sarge. The sarge was explaining recoil and how it could be used to free a stuck blade. "If your bayonet gets stuck in the enemies bone, pulling the trigger will fire a round into the body, and the recoil will pull the bayonet out". A recruit from Texas said, "uh sarge, if I have any bullets left in my gun, I won't be using the bayonet". I like a guy who thinks ahead.  (48 min ago | post #2528)

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Heck, in some states you have to be careful what kind of hat you wear. The Judge, until impeached, is the boss of his courtroom. Hey, I wonder. If a judge said people could carry in his court, and the state disallowed it, what would happen. Other than MSNBC and Fox making a lot of money on advertisements.  (52 min ago | post #2527)

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Umm, less is used to denote frequency of events. None refers to the absence of an event. Less crime prior to 1968 when felons could legally exercise their rights, means not as much now. Less and zero are two completely mutually exclusive terms. I saw nothing in the post that indicated zero. If you did, please copy and post. My old eyes do get tired.  (55 min ago | post #2526)

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Concealed carry does not make us safer

Now, you are getting back into the mere exercise vs misbehavior. I can whisper that I want to take your life. I can write it down. Heck, I can even yell it at your front door and never be convicted of the crime of threatening you. But to me, it is still misbehavior. As an interesting sidebar, threatening a Federal Gov employee is illegal. I guess you and me are not important enough. None of the other rights are infringed like the 2nd is. Do you think that is just?  (58 min ago | post #2525)

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You da man. I tried the google, but got a lot of stuff, no movie. http://www.crimefi lenews.com/2006/03 /gun-vs-knife.html this seems to be right, but no video available. Wah. Happy New Year. Zig  (1 hr ago | post #2524)

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Hang on Tory, Tuco has posted a very good answer to one of my questions and even opened my eyes to the possibility of adding rights can also deny others what they call their rights. Great post. I suspect he is not thru fighting his liberal indoctrination I I too used to fall for the notion it was OK for the Gov to infringe felons rights). But he does post well researched stuff. Not as "personal " as GS and you and High, but I get the impression he is on the right road, just still hanging onto those bad directions. Not sure about watchdog. He has been try9ing to post arguments but I notice that if he encounters a concept alien to his liberal education, he has problems. He and I have not resorted to actual name calling, but I suspect he will be the first to hurl a stone. Hope you had a great Christmas and soon a Happy New Year. Zig  (1 hr ago | post #2523)

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The original statement only listed life liberty and property after due process. No mention of rights or any kind of due process to violate rights.  (1 hr ago | post #2522)

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In case you do not want to look it up, crime rates were much lower until the race riots, and multiple drug prohibitions were going on (late 60's). Drug prohibition is directly responsible for most of the crime violence in this country. Felons with guns are just a tiny cause.  (1 hr ago | post #2521)

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My best solution to dealing with predators is just be aware of your surroundings. If someone has made it to within six feet of you and you are not aware, hope they are just as startled. Granted, I have had my unaware moments, but I do try and look around when I am out in public. The NY method of avoiding eye contact can be dangerous.  (1 hr ago | post #2520)

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And you don't seem to know the difference between misbehavior and exercising a right. You have not been obtuse before this. You made a case for some misbehavior. I made a case for exercising a right. And you proved my point. The police do not have the right to just search you. SO, please explain how a felon, who is merely exercising his right to carry a gun, can be accused of any crime, except the "misbehavior " that has been labeled by the Gov. Let us go back to the note. You can have a note that says, Pay the ransom or the kid dies. If the police found this on you, you would be arrested. But eventually that exercise of free speech would have to be thrown out of court because YOU COMMITTED NO CRIME! Yet, if you were a felon, then merely having the gun becomes illegal. And merely having a gun was a behavior that somehow, a lot of people in this country have come to believe is an illegal act. Like you. Are you seeing a difference now. Let me try something else. You can whisper "fire" in a crowded theater all you want. That is exercising your rights. If you yell fire in a crowded theater, you have broken the law. That is misbehavior. If a felon has a gun in his pocket in a crowded theater, he is merely exercising his rights. If he starts shooting up the place, or murders someone, then he is misbehaving and breaking the law. Wait, he is also breaking the law by merely exercising his rights. And you don't see anything wrong with that.  (1 hr ago | post #2519)

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It does say life liberty and property. It does not mention any due process to remove rights.  (1 hr ago | post #2518)