Rick in Kansas

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

Now that I've stopped laughing. Mary, please, your self-loathing is so obvious that it's like a lavender colored elephant in your living room, it takes a hell of a lot of will power to try and deny it's just there. I don't even need fake credentials to see how much you have chosen to hate yourself, so your denial of your reality is just plain sillyThe key word in your badly punctuated sentence is maybe. The reality, even if we weren't doing what you have mistakenly called "forcing our will onto Christians", you and your other so-called called "Christians " would still be out their denigrating and encouraging anti-gay violence, lighting the flames for hate crimes just like this and do nothing but offer excuses for it when your denigration and encouragement goes this far... You're just lucky that the new hate crime law doesn't cover your role in the beating of this young man, God knows you are just as culpable... (4 hrs ago | post #83)

Thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing that I've read all day. I know I shouldn't be laughing at other people's delusions, but that was hysterical... (5 hrs ago | post #157)

A whole lot of empty words meaning that you are unable to substantiate your claims. I figured as muchAnother unnecessary tangent from underneath your tin foil hatToo bad you have proved yourself completely incapable of proving thisAnd yet one more unnecessary tangent completely unrelated to your claimsNo dear, I'm uninterested in the completely unnecessary tangents of your make-believe "real" American history. I have pointed out factual error after factual error that you've offered up and your only response is to go drifting off in a hundred different directions as if you offering of substance. You're notYou and I have vastly different standards as to what actually constitutes proof. To you it seems to mean whatever theory you want to toss out at any given moment, but to me proof is verifiable statements of fact. I'm not sure what you confused with proof in the post I replied to, but for me, beyond that which had already been agreed to, the only proof you offered is that you really have no idea of what you are talking aboutWhat "evidence " have you deluded yourself into believing that I am running away from??? I keep asking for evidence and you have twice now refused to provide it, the only running away here has been by you... (5 hrs ago | post #155)

Why Gay Marriage Is Such A Big Deal

Wrong again, but I'm not the least bit surprised. I've gotten used to your selective reading comprehension abilitiesIn your view, perhaps, speaking as someone on the outside looking in, I'm more than certain they see their evolution would be to make Christianity far more Christ-like and less hate focusedYour "evolution' has been one of corruption as well a state of affairs which not only tolerates, but actively encourages intolerance, hate and violence against others who do not accept what you have chosen to believeAccording to YOU anyways, you may not realize this but you are not Christ which makes this a statement of your chosen beliefs, an opinion and not a statement of fact and you may have not noticed this, but I for one don't find you particularly "Christ-like " either, so I really don't put much value in your opinionAnother opinion. I imagine those who are encouraging Christianity to change see it as being not only for the better but to draw the faithful closer to God and people like you who are leading them away... (6 hrs ago | post #1611)

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

More excuses, more denial, little else is expected of youNo dear, I do not attack Christians for what they believe, or for any other reason for that matter. Some of my best friends just happen to be Christians (fortunately none of whom have the same belief in espousing hate as you do) and I have absolutely no reason to attack them. I attack you and those sadly like you, not because you are Christian, that is nothing more than an unfortunate common denominator people like you tend to share, I attack you because you engage in, encourage, promote and excuse hate and violence against myself and against my community. Quite simply, you are entitled to believe whatever in the hell or heaven you want to believe even if I find it absolutely abominable, I attack you because of your actions and your excuses for the actions of others, completely regardless of your chosen religious faithYou are right in one regard and one regard only, "Christians " have done nothing except have a "belief" , where your argument happens to fall apart is that PEPOLE who profess to be Christian, as well as their allies, have done far more and far, far worse than engage in a belief, they have engaged in actions to deny us equality in our own country, engaged in actions which denigrate us as human beings and like here, engaged in actions of deplorable violence against us. You use your self-professed "Christianity " as a weapon against us and as a shield against criticism of your actionsI don't wonder why there is anti-gay anger in the world, I visit this site almost every day and see people like you encouraging it in the name of your brand of God and desperately trying to excuse it when your encouragement gets out of hand as it did here... (6 hrs ago | post #72)

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

And once again, denial is the ocean which fills your closet. The "flames of anti-gay hate" would not be there to supposedly fan, if people like you weren't busy lighting the fire in the first place. You of all people should know this, you wouldn't hate yourself the way you do, if someone hadn't taught you to and you certainly wouldn't hate the rest of us the way you do, if it wasn't being encouraged and excused. I am not trying to absolve myself of anything here, because, unlike yourself, that which is right and that which is righteous IS on my side.... (6 hrs ago | post #60)

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

You're a fine one to talk about that, you spin so much and so often you are a Gay Christian whirling dervishYou're kidding right? They bothered you so deep into the closet that if anyone ever set out to look for you, they'd stumble across the lost city of Atlantis before finding any trace of the real you. Your so-called "Christian Community" has done everything within its power and then some to ensure that LGBT people are treated as a sickness with no rights in their own country. While that doesn't bother you, because you are so desperate to be one of them that you happily do it not only to yourself, but the rest of us as well, in the sickeningly desperate attempt to secure the spot in hetero-only-heaven that you should know they won't give you, it is a bother to the rest of us who are comfortable and happy in who we were created to beIf it's a "tradition value" of your brand of Christianity to disenfranchise and denigrate those who don't fit your self-righteous and sanctimonious hypocritical view of the world, that there would be a "traditional value" that can and should go the way of torturing heretics and burning witches... (7 hrs ago | post #56)

Texas kid beaten with metal pole, entirely preventable

You have severely overestimated the value of your contributionViolen t anger isn't bred dear, it is learned behavior, you of all people should know that one. It is taught by people such as yourself, who learned it from someone just like yourself. Your violent anger towards yourself and which you have now turned outward, is not a reaction to stimuli, but action which you have chosen. Actions which would occur with, or without, our "political actions", "harassment of Christians" or so-called "foisting of our agenda". You would still hate us and still excuse violence against us even if we were as deeply closeted as you have chosen to become. People like the animals in this story don't need an excuse, because they will always have someone as sick as you to provide an excuse for themOf course you would, you live in denial of reality, everyone but you knows this already. You cannot accept the reality and thus the responsibility for your own sick actions, so you have to blame someone else for them. You cannot accept the reality and thus responsibility that someone has acted violently on the basis of your excuses masked as teachings, so you have to blame some one else. You are the one plumbing the depths of depravity trying to find any way you can to excuse the inexcusable, justify the unjustifiable and rationalize the completely irrational and lo and behold, you find them. If this is your idea of "Christianity ", you are more than welcome to it, but please don't offer to share... (7 hrs ago | post #45)

Why Gay Marriage Is Such A Big Deal

The only person you've managed to fool is yourself here. If you are a member of any of the Protestant denominations, you are a part of one and in all likelihood even more of the many, many, many evolutions in Christianity and Christian teachings that have occurred frequently and repeatedly over the centuries. Evolution and Christianity go hand in hand as even the teachings of Jesus evolve through the course of each of the Gospels and it continued to evolve after his death and resurrection. What it means to be a Christian and the meaning of God's "absolute " word has always evolved and always will evolve. In order to survive, the faith adapted and will continue to adapt and while you may be wedded to your rigid and stagnant set of beliefs, the world and the Word will continue to evolve around and without you. (7 hrs ago | post #1596)

New York Must Recognize Gay Marriage In Other States: Court

That's funny, for anyone who has read your original diatribe on this thread, that was the exact same thought they had about you... Help control the bigot population have your raving bigots spayed or neutered... (8 hrs ago | post #19)

I'll deal with your non-responsive responses first. (1)You have offered no evidence of this whatsoever. (2)No, I haven't, YOU have completely ignored the evidence linked to this thread, that he was opposed for his re-election in 1932 by the Klan. (3) I will readily admit that he was a member of the ACLU and that he was a member of the Klan around the time of his first campaign for the Senate. What I will no admit, because you have offered no evidence for, is that he was the "architect " of anti-Catholic education rulings, opposing all secular education is not a synonym for anti-Catholic. You have yet to cite even one case which in which Black's opinion was anti-Catholic. (4)How can I possibly have ignored a subject that you have just brought up for the first time without citing any proof for it? Now that I've dealt with this silly-assed tangent, let's get you back on point. I asked for four simple proofs and I will ask one last time: 1)SCOTUS case in which the ACLU either supported or argued for an anti-Catholic position which either was beneficial or neutral to Protestant concerns: 2)SCOTUS case in which the ACLU either supported or argued for a pro-Protestant position which was detrimental to Catholic concerns: 3)SCOTUS case in which Justice Hugo Black's personal anti-Catholic prejudices became an anti-Catholic legal opinion: 4)SCOTUS case involving any state version of the Blaine Amendment which involved enforcement against the interest of Catholic Schools either to the benefit of or was neutral to Protestant School interests: If you prove yourself to be unable, or unwilling to provide A CASE which supports the position you have argued for the better part of the week on each of these issues, we're done here. You will have proved to me, beyond any and all doubt, that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and are just trying to play victim of anti-Catholicism that you cannot prove is occurring or has occurred in the last century... (8 hrs ago | post #152)

New York Must Recognize Gay Marriage In Other States: Court

The ADF itself doesn't have standing to sue, but they can always find themselves a useful idiot to serve as a shill who does. In these cases, they represented "concerned taxpayers", "upset" over the alleged "misuse" of their tax dollars being spent providing spousal and family benefits, in effect recognizing relationships the Court of Appeals itself stated could not be married under New York law. (Saturday | post #12)

BULLSH*T NON-RESPONSIVE RESPONSE. Unless and until you can provide A CASE, any case which fits the criteria that you yourself have laid out, there is nothing further to discuss because you have been proved WRONG. (Saturday | post #141)

New York Must Recognize Gay Marriage In Other States: Court

The NY Court of Appeals treats the issue of same sex marriage as so radioactive, they might as well have but up a lead shield in the court room and worn protective suits instead of robes. Their ruling in these cases desperately tries to ignore the big glowing pile in the middle of the room, which was a lower court ruling recognizing out of state marriages as legally valid. They confined their opinion ONLY to the offering of benefits. I wouldn't be surprised if the ADF finds a way of challenging that ruling somehow, I also wouldn't be surprised that the Court of Appeals finds a way of punting it to the Legislature too... (Saturday | post #10)