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Anglican anger over new lesbian bishop

Get your bible out, Widget. They crucified him for heresy. KGC  (3 hrs ago | post #32)

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Archbishop of Canterbury Not So Thrilled About New Lesbian Bishop

You are right about that, Fitz. It should be very interesting... But, the Episcopal Church recognizes the will of the people within each Diocese. That is why we have such as the Diocese of Quincy (IL), which does not recognize the ordination of Women and yet remains an Episcopal Diocese even when the Presiding Bishop is a woman. It is also why Eugene Robinson was accepted by the Diocese of New hampshire and then, the House of Bishops. Almost certainly, this new female, and Lesbian, bishop will be accepted by the Episcopal House of Bishops. Across the entire Anglican Communion, there will be many other provinces that will remain willing to accept TEC as part of the Communion. There will also be some that will not. The real question is whether or not the various Provinces will hold together as a Communion in spite of their "minor" differences. They should. The differences are cultural for the most part. Though TEC is breaking tradition, it is not fundamentally moving away from or against the teachings and directives of Christ Jesus. KGC  (3 hrs ago | post #30)

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Anglican anger over new lesbian bishop

Yes, of course. And, Jesus left the Jewish faith when he left the Mosaic Law as their standard for conduct, and healed the sick and lame on the Sabbath, and ate and drank with social outcasts. KGC  (5 hrs ago | post #27)

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Call of duty: Priest heads back into active military

That's funny, because you are full of its dirt from the tip of your head to your little toes. You need to open a shop in Havana, it being so close and all. Surely, they'd appreciate your sincerety and willingness to share. KGC  (5 hrs ago | post #76)

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Committee sees vitality in Episcopal Church amidst challenges

Oh, and TA, don't forget your motus operendi: Judgment without forgiveness and acceptance. Stone-casting without need for reviewing one's own shortcomings. Repeated crucifixion of the followers of Christ, because once is never enough. Enjoy your life, TA, with yourself. KGC  (Yesterday | post #14)

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700 Clergy and Lay Leaders Call on NY Senate to Pass Marriage Bill

Dear TA, Do you think that Jesus had any standards of morality? If you do think so, do you also assert that he demonstrated them as a matter of subjective expression - or - were they simply, as you have suggested, an adoption of objective Mosaic Law? KGC  (Yesterday | post #628)

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A special gift

It should, Sel. But, remember, Joe is an avowed Roman Catholic who has taken it upon himself to continuously criticize the members and leaders of The Episcopal Church. I believe that he thinks that his disruptive and unhelpful attitude stems from his own personal crusade against Anglicans and, specifically, Episcopalians. In my opinion, Topix should remove him from being an editor of this forum. He should have the opportunity to post, just like everybody else. But, his constant bias against TEC is not appropriate, in my opinion. KGC  (Friday Dec 4 | post #45)

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Church leaders from across the world unite against climate change

The recent revelations of deliberate data mismanagement by the British climate research group is an interesting story. It comes just as Obama heads to Europe to help formulate action on climate issues. However, there is a great and wide difference of opinion about what changes are actually happening and what the causes of those changes are - manmade or not. Jury is out. Let us stay tuned and keep on insisting upon getting the truth - which neither you nor I have, yet. These scientists who are studying "Global Warmin" are and have been receiving huge grants to conduct their research. Perhaps they are now going to be exposed to their own variety of "inconvenient truth." KGC  (Friday Dec 4 | post #2)

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Committee sees vitality in Episcopal Church amidst challenges

Oh no you don't, TA. You are the one who is pronouncing very negative statements about TEC. Not me. You are the one who tries to defend people who are walking out of our Church, while literally stealing its assets as they go. Plus, you aren't even an Episcopalian. So, what's the basis for your interest when you have none, yourself, at stake? You are the one here who continually passes critical judgment on those who follow the Teachings of Christ Jesus, when they do as He told them to do, instead of blindly and ignorantly sticking to YOUR interpretation of scriptural exerpts. You are the one who denies the great preponderance of modern genetic and psychological research and findings that are very clearly pointing toward confirmation that same-sex orientation is a normal variation of human sexuality. - NOT A SIN. Stick it back where it is coming out of you, TA. Live with the realization of your own active choice to remain ignorant. Refuse to step forward and live as a true Christian disciple by continuing to curse and to judge those children who, by no fault of their own doing, are cast away by you and your rank as defective and guilty and unwanted - those who we are specifically required by Christ Jesus to accept! Stay in the hostile line of bigotry with which you are choosing to be so smugly comfortable. Keep on quoting all of the scriptural passages that allow you to think you are proper in your condescension of others. Sorry, bud. I'll not join you in your chosen line of spiritual poverty and unrelenting dismissal of the innocent. We already crucified Christ once. I feel no need to join you in your fixation on crucifying Him again and again and I refuse to accept your insidious designs at forcing anyone else to do so. Live with your own problems with these issues until you can see why you are hell-bent on holding onto them. KGC  (Friday Dec 4 | post #12)

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Bishop MacDonald: 'Catholicity Is At Stake'

Oh, B.S., Joe! When and after making ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated statements like this one, it is apparent that the only one who is losing control is YOU! Put a plug in it, bud, until you can see it filling up into your own eyeballs. Then you'll begin to understand how negative and biased you are against TEC. You know, I have to ask... What on earth are you doing editing the Episcopal Church Topix thread, anyway? KGC  (Friday Dec 4 | post #4)

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Committee sees vitality in Episcopal Church amidst challenges

It is YOUR statement, TA. It is a mischaracterizatio n of TEC made up by you. It is how YOU see TEC. I do not accept the veracity of your statement which is clearly biased and negative toward TEC. You also attempt to characterize me in terms of judgmental quotes taken from scripture. I do not accept your efforts at pronouncing such judgment. You have no authority to make any such judgment, directly or indirectly. You have only your personal behavior to manage. KGC  (Friday Dec 4 | post #10)

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Committee sees vitality in Episcopal Church amidst challenges

I do not accept your curse, TA. You are incapable of competently judging me or anyone else. KGC  (Thursday Dec 3 | post #8)

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Episcopal church advertises core beliefs, inclusiveness and wor...

Warren, Certainly the Christian campaign, whether Episcopalian or otherwise has been successful. The first campaign began when the Lord Christ Jesus sent the disciples out, two by two, in about 32 A.D. to "spread the Gospel." KGC  (Thursday Dec 3 | post #11)

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Episcopal Chruch's Top Lay Leader condemns proposed Uganda anti...

TA, I don't disagree with you on this. And you can reply further here without objection from me, if you so desire. I would just like to see Joe or Selecia open up a thread where the subject can be explored instead of discussing it at the expense of the discussion about the legislation in Uganda. Abortion of a human being is, to me, a form of a murder. I did not always understand this. Today, I do. It is awful. And, yes, you are exactly right about the incredible loss of human potential, taken most generally for selfish reasons and convenience. You want to talk about sin, TA? Well, this is an area in human behavior where sin, the worst of sin, exists in spades. Abortion is an Evil. The issue of abortion, in my opinion, dwarfs all controversy over same-sex relationships and other-than-straigh t sex in terms of its negative impacts upon morality and civil behavior. Please don't misunderstand my position and my near complete agreement with you on this. I just get mad as Hell when I hear or read people trying to stereotype the Episcopal position on abortion, whether individually presented or presented as the official position of TEC that Episcopalians and TEC are in FAVOR of abortion. Such an assertion is plainly not true. Where I differ with some is that I do not believe that a woman's choice to abort an embryonic human being can be morally legislated to be a crime. This is not only a matter of difference and separation between church and state. It is a matter of freedom of religion; liberty expressed at the level of the individual, in particular the woman, in terms of the uniqueness of her role in reproduction and the conduct of her own biological processes. You can't take this away from the woman. You cannot assume that a woman human being has no personal boundaries that are sacred, such that you can impregnate her in the consequence of a moment of mutual consent and then prevent her from making further decisions about her internal biological processes. You can't tell her what to eat. You can't tell her what to drink. You can't tell her how often to inhale or exhale or what to breathe. You can't tell her what to think or what to believe. You can't tell her or make her conduct herself in a fashion that you see fit solely for the purpose of making her carry an embryonic human being to and through the point of birth. All you can do is offer encouragement and support. You can go so far as to legally force the father to provide support, if the woman asks for it. But, that is as far as you can go. You can even kick her out of your religious enclave, ostracizing her for having chosen to submit to an abortion, sending her forever more away for having made that murderous choice. But, it is not a choice that you can prevent her from making. That's all, TA. It really is just as Mother Theresa said. Abortion is "a Poverty." There is never a good reason for it. The embryo, the fetus, the unborn infant is never at any point from conception less than a complete and fully sacred human being, completely innocent of any of the circumstances by which it was formed into a living entity. But, until this new living entity reaches a point in development at which it can be brought into the world to continue to thrive independently from the choices of behavior that belong to the mother, it has no standing that can preempt the mother's right to make that choice. This is the tough part and it is a nebulous area within the exercise of human will. Moreover, the point of sway in this transfer of autonomous right and decision that exists between the mother and the infant is not a fixed point in either time or stage of development. Advancements in medicine are also moving this point. Nevertheless, regardless of all of the questions, abortion is never a good thing. KGC  (Thursday Dec 3 | post #18)

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Episcopal Chruch's Top Lay Leader condemns proposed Uganda anti...

This thread should be redefined to the topic of the Uganda anti-homosexuality legislation. Where are the thread editors? If a discussion of the position of TEC regarding abortion is a desired conversation, let one of the editors post a headline or an excerpt about that subject. KGC  (Thursday Dec 3 | post #15)