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I evidently missed seeing this response until today. I have indeed done my "homework ", while the above simply presents the same old false conclusions of those who do not actually know, or else who deliberately would misrepresent the facts. Here is a link to a picture of Russell's "tomb". http://rlbible.com /images/grave.jpg As you can see, it is not in the shape of pyramid, but even if it had been, there would have been nothing wrong with such. A few years after Russell died, Rutherford did authorize for the building of replica of God's witness in Egypt in the center of the plots owned by the WTS in the Rosemont Cemetery. That replica of God's witness in Egypt, however, has nothing at to do with the Freemasons, heathen occultism, astrology, etc. For more regarding my research into Russell and the Great Pyramid, see: http://ctr.rlbible .com/?cat=33 For more regarding God's Witness in Egypt, see: http://binfo.rlbib le.com/?page_id=27 6 As to the "eye of the pyramid", actually, "the eye of Jehovah" illustration, although it has been reported to me several times that such does not appear on Rutherford's replica, I have no scriptural reason to object to its usage, except that the Egyptians evidently perverted it meaning to represent the eye of Horus. I agree however, that the JW organization is not authorized by God; those who have devoted their lives to that organization, if they are truly God's sons, are hindered in their understanding and service of God and His Son, especially regarding the redemption that is in Christ, as well as God's purposes related to Armageddon. Russell did not believe in such an organization, and was still preaching against such human authoritarianism just a few weeks before he died. After his death, however, Rutherford began to insidiously promote his "organization " dogma, and he began to slowly create his new organization. By 1928, the vast majority of the Bible Students had rejected Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma. http://rlbible.com /?p=488  (Oct 2, 2013 | post #7)

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Meaningless, as far as studying God's Word is concernedI am not with the WBTS, nor is today's WTBS the same as the WTS in Russell's dayI do not believe in Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma, nor did Charles Taze Russell believe in such dogma. Here is a link to much Russell wrote regardng justification: https://www.google .com/search?q=just ification+site%3Am ostholyfaith.com  (Sep 29, 2013 | post #131)

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I am not with the JWs, but what is one of the first outward signs that God has begun to rule through his anointed one? "The nations became angry..." and "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time." -- Revelation 11:15-18; Daniel 12:1. This, however, as far as know, is not what the JWs teach.  (Sep 28, 2013 | post #122)

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Since Russell actually preached against what Rutherford taught, it is somewhat misleading to present Russell as being the founder of that which he did not believe, and which he preached against. While Rutherford's "organization " once claimed the book, The Finished Mystery, to be the posthumous work of Russell, in reality Russell was not the author of that book.  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #104)

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Actually, Russell started publishing his magazine in 1879; before he began publishing "Zion's Watch Tower", however, he had already written about 1914 as being the end of the Gentile Times. And before Russell wrote about 1914 as being he end of the Gentile Times, Barbour had wrote about it. Nevertheless, 1914 was presented many times from 1879 to 1914 as being the end of the Gentile Times. However, as far as I know, no one associated with the Bible Students was expecting Christ to return in 1914. Russell himself believed Christ had returned in 1874.  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #103)

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I don't know any place where Jesus ever says not to study the time prophecies of the Bible. Regarding Matthew 24, I will present part of what I have written before: In the context, Jesus had stated: Matthew 24:23 Then if any man will tell you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There,’ don’t believe it. Matthew 24:24 For there will arise false Christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you beforehand. Matthew 24:26 If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Behold, he is in the inner chambers,’ don’t believe it. Jesus here warns against expecting to see him return in the flesh. As he stated elsewhere, however, “the world will see me no more.” (John 14:19) Jesus knew that the world would not see him when he returned because he knew that he was to sacrifice that flesh for all time. (1 Peter 3:18; Hebrews 10:10) He knew that he would not return in the flesh, and yet he also knew that many would be claiming that he had returned in the flesh, and, in effect saying, “Here he is,” and “there he is.” And there have been many false prophets claiming such. Additionally, there have been many false prophets claiming that they have the authority of the Kingdom, and thus the sole right to speak for Jesus, such as the claims for Papacy and that of the leadership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and many other religious sects and leaderships. See our related studies: The World Will See Me Know More http://binfo.rlbib le.com/?p=12 Jesus Died a Human Being – Raised a Spirit Being http://atonement.r lbible.com/?p=1 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God doesn’t come with observation.” (Luke 17:20, World English Bible translation) “nor will they say, `Look, here it is!’ or, `There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” And He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. They will say to you, `Look there! Look here!’ Do not go away, and do not run after them.” — Luke 17:21-23 NASB translation. And there have been many, from the first century to this very day, who have proclaimed this or that outward organization to be God’s Kingdom on earth; likewise, there have been many who have claimed to be Jesus, or in some way to exclusively represent Jesus. Nevertheless, because Jesus has sacrificed his flesh for sin (1 Peter 3:18; Hebrews 10:10), one cannot point to any human being and claim that this or that human being is Jesus; when Jesus comes in his kingdom, it is not something that will be observed with eyes of flesh, since Jesus is no longer flesh. The rest of this may be seen at: http://binfo.rlbib le.com/?p=38  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #102)

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I am not aware that the SDA uses the same chronology; at any rate, neither Barbour nor Russell used SDA teachings as as a basis. Neither were ever associated with the SDA. Russell mentions many names of those who had helped him, but he never mentions having recieved any help from the SDAs. Russell's earlier view held to the expectation that peace would come in 1914, if that is what you mean by "the final end would come". His later view (which he presented in 1904), however, was, not that peace was to come in 1914, but rather that the time of trouble was to begin in 1914. All of his expectations have not come as soon as expected; as time progresses, fulfillment of prophecies can be understood better.  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #100)

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If you are the Christ, then you have never sinned, never used any swear words, never said one wrong thing in you entire life? And since Christ suffers no more, if you fell from the 40th floor of a building you would not be harmed? If a mugger attacked you on the street, and pierced you with a knife, you would not be harmed?  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #99)

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Barbour and Russell did show that 6,000 years from Adam's creation ended at the end of autumnal year 1872 (the beginning of 1873). They allowed that Adam must have been in the Garden of Eden for two years and that 6,000 years from the time of the fall was in October of 1874 (the beginning of the autumnal year 1875). Russell continued to believe this until his death in 1916. However, from Russell's standpoint, this was past, since he did not accept Barbour's conclusions until 1876, almost four years after 1872. Russell, however, unlike the JW "central authority" never made demands that everyone had to accept his conclusions or else they were to excommunicated, etc. Not all the Bible Students in his day subscribed to all he presented, especially regarding chronology and/or fulfillment of Bible prophecies. Russell even preented views he did not agree with in the pages of the Watch Tower; for instance, 1905, he presented two different views concerning how long the "time of trouble" would last after 1914, one pointing to 1915 and the other pointing 1921. He never fully endorsed either view, but he presented both without comment. Another view that some were presenting (several years before 1914) was regarding 1925, which he rejected. Another view that he presented was regarding the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 or 587 rather than 607/6, making the Gentile Times end in the 1930s rather than in 1914. He did not accept the view, but he did not seek to force others to accept his view.  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #97)

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If by "they", you mean "Jehovah's Witnesses", there was no JW organization before 1874, nor even before 1914. Russell was still preaching against such authority just before he died in 1916. However, within a few weesk after Russell died, the word "organization " began to appear in the pages of Rutherford's new Watch Tower. This appeared to be somewhat innocent at first, but as Rutherford's ambititons became apparent, more and more of the Bible Students withdrew support from Rutherford. However, Russell himself did not even accept the date 1874 until almost two years after 1874 had passed. Before 1876, he said he had no interest in the dates of the Second Adventists. There were some Second Adventists who, before 1873 and 1874 were teaching the expectation that "the end of the world" was to come first in 1873 and then 1874. Most of these believed that only a few believers would be "changed " while all the rest would be destroyed. Russell rejected this teaching of "the end of the world".  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #96)

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The vast majority of those Bible Students before 1914 never became members of Rutherford's "organization ". By 1928, well over 75% of the Bible Students Association had rejected Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma. See: Bible Students Did Not Become Jehovah's Witnesses http://rlbible.com /?p=488 I would like to see exactly what the "Proclaimer's " book does say about the Bible Students. If the "Proclaimers " book is saying that the Bible Students were expecting Christ to return in 1914, it is rewriting history, for that is not what they were expecting. Many were hoping to be miraculaously changed in 1914, other Bible Students, even before 1914, were looking for this to happen in 1915, 1918, 1921, 1925, and other years. There was no "central authority" in those days dictating that everyone had to conform to what the Watch Tower says. Russell preached against such an authority, and refused to accept such authority himself or for the Watch Tower Society, etc. However, Russell's Watch Tower never presented any expectation of a JW-type of Armageddon, in which all unbelievers would be eternally destroyed. Indeed, Russell preached against similar views held by many of the Second Adventists. Russell's view of Armageddon was almost the very opposite of what the JWs teach, since he believed that Armageddon was to chastise (not eternally destroy) the people of the nations, in preparation for thier being blessed after Satan is abyssed.  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #93)

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Zion's Watch Tower before 1914 never once pointed to the date 1914 "as the year Christ's invisible presence as King" would begin. Russell, who did not believe in any central human authority, believed that 1914 would see the end of the Gentile Times, and he expected (he did not prophesy) that time of trouble was to begin in 1914. Niether Russell nor any of the Bible Students, however, of that time were expecting Christ to return in 1914. Russell believed that Christ had returned in 1874; he died in 1916 still with the belief that Christ had returned in 1874; he never held any expectations that Christ was to return in 1914While some of Russell's associates and some outside the assocation of Bible Students refered to Russell's expectations as being "prophecies ", Russell himself denied such many times. Russell never gave any prophecies; he claimed to be a student of Bible prophecy, not a prophet. See my studies on Russell and 1914: http://ctr.rlbible .com/?cat=5  (Sep 26, 2013 | post #92)

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Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

Did not see this question until today? I am not sure exactly what means, however, not unless you are assuming that I am with the JWs, or that I believe that Rutherford corrected the teachings of Russell. Russell sought to keep everything in the light of the Bible; Rutherford led his group into the "organization " darkness. The central theme of Russell's teaching was the ransom for all; despite Rutherford's claims, the central theme of Rutherford's teaching was Rutherford's organization, which he styled, "Jehovah's visible organization" .  (May 15, 2013 | post #34455)

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Charles Taze Russell was not the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization; he did not believe in such an org, and preached against the idea that any such "outward organization" can scripturally claim to be the "true church". Russell was president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (as it was originally, not as it is today), but he was never president of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. Yes, the JWs have rejected the central doctrine that Russell created The Watch Tower magazine to defend, that is, the ransom for all, and they have replaced it with an almost opposite message: join their organization or else be eternally destroyed in Armageddon.  (May 15, 2013 | post #22)

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The true Jesus speaks in harmony with the Bible; the true Jesus has never claimed to be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; rather, he claimed to be sent by, to speak for, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. http://youtu.be/yC V1O5P0K-k God has revealed his truths by means of his holy spirit through the apostles. The unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, by means of His holy spirit, especially led the apostles into all the truths concerning Christ and what he said, and thereby the faith was delivered to the saints in the first century. (John 14:26; 16:4-13; Galatians 1:12; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:2; Jude 1:3) The truths revealed to the apostles and made available to us are recorded in the Bible itself. (Ephesians 3:3-12; Colossians 1:25,26; 1 John 4:6) Of course, without the holy spirit, these things that are recorded will still be a mystery to us. — Mark 4:11; 1 Corinthians 2:7-10. Isaiah, in prophesying concerning the stone of stumbling (Isaiah 8:14; Romans 9:23) to both the houses of Israel (Romans 9:6,31; 11:7; 1 Corinthians 10:18; Galatians 6:16), warns us: “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20, New King James Version) The “law”, of course, is what we call the Old Testament; the “testimony” of this prophecy is the testimony of the apostles, as given in the New Testament. This the way to test the spirits. (1 John 4:1) It is to these and through these scriptures that the holy spirit today gives true direction, and anything not in agreement with these scriptures is not of the light of the day. (John 11:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:5) In effect, any spirit that does not testify in agreement with what has been revealed is not of the light of new day. From Genesis to Revelation, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exodus 3:14,15), is presented as a unipersonal God who raised up the prophet like Moses from amongst the sons of Israel, and who raised that prophet from death. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-20; Acts 3:13-26; Hebrews 1:1,2. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Exodus 3:14,15), by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus was sent by Yahweh, speaks for Yahweh as his unipersonal God and Father, represents Yahweh, and it was the unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who raised and glorified His Son. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. — Deuteronomy 18:15-22; Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; 12:26; Luke 13:35; 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; 4:34; 5:19,30,36,43; 6:57; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 8:6; 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.  (May 7, 2013 | post #2)