Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
I don't think anyone was critisizing firefighters, although after 19 years in Sauk Village and a few firsthand experiences with SVFD, I have no faith nor respect for THEM - but those feelings don't apply to ALL firefighters. Actually, my son wanted to be a firefighter; I would've been proud of him had he chosen that path. (Wednesday Aug 13 | post #292)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Actually, I spoke with him tonight. He told me that he told her to get a lawyer, but that was all. I'm sure he's told the police a much different story. But like Christina's attorney told me: NEVER TRUST A COP. Sad but true. (Saturday Aug 9 | post #285)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Well Toni, Christina and I BOTH agree that she SHOULD have called 911 instead of her cop friend and she wishes that she had done that. So I agree with you on that one. THAT was her crime, not calling 911 and calling a police officer/friend instead. She made a mistake, and now she is paying for it. (Saturday Aug 9 | post #282)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Toni - Christina TOLD the SVPD about the SH police officer the night they questioned her - even gave them his name. SVPD questioned ME about him too, and so they knew about him, but he still is free and my daughter is not. I know i said i wouldn't write on this forum anymore because it turned into such a gossip-fest, but George, people know only what they hear and read in the paper and the newspapers HAVE printed some erroneous "facts" - things that just aren't true. Like you said, very few people know exactly what has happened. And yes, because a Chgo Hts police officer was involved, consulted as the house began to burn, and Tina did only what the Law told her to do. And now look where she is! But the SVPD has been aware of ALL these facts, including the fact that Bob applied for a loan and asked the boys as early as June 7th to remove his furniture and set his house on fire because his loan application was denied. They (the SVPD) verified with some of Rob's friends that he had a habit of lying and exagerating so that NONE of his friends (including Christina) knew when to believe him, and that yes, tina consulted a police officer and he told her to do nothing, say nothing - as the house burned. I WISH Christina had called 911 instead - and so does she, now. But considering her minimal involvement (especially compared to the others who were very aware of Bob's plans) she does not deserve to be at CCDOC and charged with murder and arson. She cared a great deal for Rob, and had she believed him, she would've never allowed him to do it (or driven him there). As a mother, tina is very aware of how wrong arson is, the risks it presented to neighbors etc, and would not have knowingly participated, risking her own life with her children. She was heartbroken to miss her youngest child's first birthday party a few weeks ago. She cries knowing that she's missed witnessing her baby's first steps. She was/is a dedicated mom, but she obviously picked the wrong people to trust and love as friends. (Friday Aug 8 | post #279)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
George from Lynwood: Yes, my daughter is still being blamed for everything. And even though Rob "told" her why he needed to go to Bob's that night, she didn't believe him because of his habit of "tall tales" and "dramatic lies" to his friends. And, when the fire started, she freaked out and called a friend of hers for advice - a Chgo Heights police officer and HE told her to go home, say nothing and not worry. So yes, she is still at CCDOC and has a trial coming up. The judge at her most recent court appearance said her bond might be lowered because it looked to her as if the prosecution has nothing on her. Where is Bob? We wish we knew. Yes, Rob was set up so that when the fire started, he never had a chance. Thank you so much for your concern. Oh, and the reason she wasn't home with her children? She worked the night shift and left a bit early to give her friend rob a ride. That's all she knew when she picked him up. Thank you again. (Thursday Aug 7 | post #276)
BTW, I still shop the dollar store and occasionally use Sterks (Fairway) if i absolutely HAVE to (if i just need a few things). Other than that, can't say I've ever relied much on SV businesses. Even the Library has been a disappointment over the years. (Friday Aug 1 | post #8)
It IS a meal ticket: it's called "generating revenue." (Friday Aug 1 | post #7)
Woman charged with fatal house arson
Actually, only Rob went inside. If Christina had gone inside, she wouldn't have made it out alive either. Also, at the bond hearing, she was not allowed to speak at all and she has NOT admitted to anything at this point. All she did was pick Rob up, not knowing WHY he needed a ride to Bob's house. She waited in the car for him because he said he'd be right out and then he was going to take her for breakfast. (Jul 26, 2008 | post #3)
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I remember telling a Sauk Village police officer that there were dog fights going on right on our street (we'd hear them at night in a garage) and he told us that those kinds of things happen only in the city! Well, maybe they now realize the truth of it. Thankfully. (Jul 23, 2008 | post #27)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Well, it's really ironic some of the things that have been said about me. It doesn't bother me that some people who claim to have known me hate me. Most people who dislike me feel that way because of my strong anti-Christian-Fun damentalist views, or because of my liberal political beliefs, or because of my pro-choice view, or because I support gay rights, and because i read the Tarot. I may not have been the best mom, but over all, I was a "good-enough " mom. I am proud of ALL my children, but saddened over Christina's poor choice in friends and poor decision-making. I lived in Sauk Village for many years - nothing much to be proud of - but some of the best people i've ever met were residents there (Shari, Kathy, Virginia, Frank, etc.). I won't be returning to comment on this board because it HAS turned into a huge gossip column. I have nothing to hide and never have. I stand by my Myspace page as well. I speak my mind and have no desire to win popularity contests, since that is not what life is all about. So feel free to continue to insult me and my family if that is what makes you feel better. It certainly does not cause me to lose any sleep. Much of what has been said about me is false anyway - or simply personal opinion, which you are all entitled to. (Jul 4, 2008 | post #226)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
I was AT the bond hearing and she was never asked a single question. I didn't know either that that is how it would be done, but the public defender told me that she would not have a chance to plea one was or the other at the bond hearing, it was just for the judge to set the bond based on the charges. She won't be able to make a plea until a grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to bring this case before a regular jury. I had no idea either and assumed she'd have the chance to make her plea on that day of her bond hearing. She's not even entitled to speak with a public defender until AFTER her next hearing, which i also thought was strange. But the public defender said that the State has 120 to appoint a lawyer to her case. I think that is pitiful, but it's the law. Since she has been at County, she has not been able to use her money to purchase soap, shampoo, or warmer clothes (she's anemic and is cold all the time). She won't be able to do any of that until after her next hearing. But, she has signed up for library use and a course where she can get her high school diploma (even though she was home-schooled through high school, she didn't get a diploma, obviously, so I am proud of her for doing this). We all know the conditions at County are pitiful: rancid bologna for lunch and dinner, no Vitamin C foods at all. She said most of the women have rashes because of the filth in the place and that sanitary napkins are in short supply so most women have to go without. Christina calls me and her sister every day. She comes from a good family: my six children are close to each other and we are ALL hurting and feel that although she made a horrible mistake that night, the "punishment " she is already experiencing is more than adequate. She should've never picked Rob up that night and when he told her at the last minute why he needed to be dropped off at Bob's house, she should've kept going; but she didn't. THAT was her crime. And like I've said before: Rob was one of her favorite people; she feels grief, guilt for not being able to stop him, and utter depression for being apart from her children. We'll be visiting her tomorrow. Again, I don't expect people to be sympathetic toward me as her mom or toward Christina. I'm simply presenting MY feelings and experience with this case - as her mom - and as someone who knew Rob and some of the other people involved. MY main anger is toward the owner of the home who was a master manipulator - a user and an abuser of the worst kind. I cry every day over the loss of my daughter (because I've lost her to the system which seems less than fair and very inhumane) and i cry every day, especially because I am with her children every day, and i mourn their loss on their behalf. Christina is not a threat to society. (Jun 28, 2008 | post #165)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Yeah, I read that article too. Christina did NOT admit her role in the arson because she wasn't asked if she pleaded guilty or not guilty because the hearing was just to set her bond. She never entered the house. To "Amazing ": I'm pretty sure I know who you are. Your opinions are one of the reasons I am frustrated with our nation: Our people are so judgemental and your statements are exaggerations about my family. But either way, my family and my life is not what this forum is about. Still, I can assure everyone that I have had a very productive life: as a full-time mom (who often cared for helped children in the neighborhood), as a volunteer for a short time in the pediatric ward at a local hospital, as a girl scout leader (Christina's leader, actually, when she was a Cadette), and as a room mother for a few years. I spent time working on my associate's degree and my bachelor's degree. I founded and fascilitated a mother's group for young moms. I was involved in my community in many, many ways; because neighbor kids knew I homeschooled, many came to me for tutoring - which i did for free - and helped a few kids so that they actually graduated from high school even though they thought they wouldn't. But again, that isn't the point of this forum. And AMAZING, the comment you made about Christina's father is also inaccurate and has nothing to do with this forum. He lives with a woman, but even if he lived with a man, so what? I'm sure we are not the first married couple to divorce. So enough everyone. A tragedy has happened because two people - Rob and my daughter - made very bad decisions that night and the consequences don't fit their actions, in my opinion. I mourn the loss of Rob AND my daughter, just as much as I am frustrated and angry and both of them for their stupidity. The issues of divorce, pot-smoking (I used to smoke, but don't anymore - it's been quite a while since I had that habit), and all the other mud-slinging IS what is wrong with this country, among many other things. But that is a topic for another forum. (Jun 28, 2008 | post #153)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
The authorities know that she smoked pot: she admitted that. Pot isn't the worst thing in the world. And it doesn't have anything to do with this case. (Jun 25, 2008 | post #91)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
Well guess what: I live by Bob-o's house in the trailer park across the field from his trailor park. We were woken up by the sound of nearby fire engines just before five am. We looked out our back pouch window and saw a trailor burning. I knew Bob-o lived in that general area, but didn't realize at that time it was his place on fire. Why the svfd is saying they didn't get there til six is beyond us because from what we could see, there were emergency vehicles there. We have a clear view of the place. We watched the fire for at least an hour. We heard the ambulance leave. But the whole time we (me and my boyfriend) were watching the fire, we had absolutely no idea that it was Bob-o's house or that Rob was there. So i don't know which fire dept was first to respond. if it was sv, they were there much earlier than they are claiming to be. We are confused why they would either lie about the time they arrived, or be so misinformed about what time they arrived. It seems really odd to us. So again, it just goes to prove that you can't believe everything you read in the papers. It took the fd a LONG time to put the fire out because it was very windy and it was a VERY large fire, not just an "ordinary " house fire. One friend of the family, a fire fighter, saw Bob-o's house after the fire and said it appears that the fire involved both flammables and explosives (like natural gas) because the roof blew up and off the trailer and fell directly down into the trailer. So again, none of us have ALL the facts. Regarding Tina: yes, she smoked pot. But she wasn't much of a drinker. An occasional wine cooler, maybe a shot of jack daniels, but that was about it. Can't say she ever drank beer: she hated the taste. Like i said before, i can't change the sentiments of those who hate my daughter or who see her in a bad light (as a murderer, a drug user, a sleaze - I've heard it all). That's okay. You all have a right to your opinion. But I live with her and Brian and their babies and Brian's dad (who is my boyfriend), and I know Christina best. I'll admit - and SHE even admits - she is guilty of not reporting a crime, but again, her cop friend told her not to report it. I've always told her not to trust a cop, but she did, and this is where it's gotten her. To those who know and care about my daughter: thank you for your on-going support. She didn't commit 1st degree murder and she didn't commit arson. But she did fail to report a crime. (Jun 25, 2008 | post #87)
Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire
I can't bring myself to wish evil upon anyone because even the most vile people in this world were once innocent little newborns who apparently got screwed over at some point in their life by someone that resulted in them becoming deranged, sick, and yes, perhaps even vile criminals. It happens. I feel great sorrow for the victims in this world, but even the criminals were no doubt once victims themselves. Instead of a penal system, perhaps we need locked psychiatric wards to rehabilitate when possible (and admittedly, it isn't always possible to rehabilitate). (Jun 24, 2008 | post #78)
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