KPS59

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

So you and the rest of those who want to reject the Bible would like to believe. The problem is that you and your company of opponents of the Manifestations reject the Key of David so your ability to understand the Biblical texts and all other Holy Scriptures is truncated as soon as you begin your attempt to pervert it. You seek to diminish the Holy Scriptures so as to negate the centrality of the Key of David which you know is and will increasingly become your complete undoing. That's the problem with Covenant Breakers of all varieties, they lack the Key of David and act out of the most primitive animal behaviors to keep others from possessing it. If they ever truly possessed it they'd understand that Baha'u'llah was the prophesied Manifestation of God who was to be the direct male lineage descendant of King David which they continue to try to suppress and hide from the public through all measures and pretexts even up to and including murder which in the case of Shoghi Effendi they thought would hide this secret genealogy away once and for all. They were wrong as they, having failed completely to grasp the Key of David, didn't have the intellectual acuity to know that it had to be a lineal (in a line) aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah in the MALE LINE from father to son to be the one to inherit the throne of King David of the Jews. They bungled the assassination by thinking that when they murdered Shoghi Effendi who was the aghsan of Baha'u'llah through his mother's line they would end the lineage of King David the JEW as they, being rabidly antisemitic hated as they do now, the very idea of a JEWISH KING being the LIFETIME EXECUTIVE of the Universal House of Justice. They completely, in their abject bigotry and racial hatred of the genealogical roots of Baha'u'llah failed to grasp that Charles Mason Remey in fact fulfilled the Biblical prophecy of Genesis 49:10 by being the one person the living Davidic King 'Abdu'l-Baha had grafted onto the line through adoption. Thus as the filthy "hands" and Mary Maxwell busied themselves with their evil machinations as warned about very clearly by 'Abdu'l-Baha in his Will and Testament, the Jewish line of King David as promised by God in the Bible grew and sustained itself right under their upturned and haughty noses. This is why they are now and will ever be the losers. And so it continues to this day with the living heir to the throne of King David restored to the family tree of Baha'u'llah from the tribe of Judah, in the male lineal (in a line from father to son) Aghsan Descendant of Baha'u'llah, Neal Chase, the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, Head, President of the Universal House of Justice and Executive member for life of that Body. Thank God for this. kps59 a Knight of Baha'u'llah  (Friday | post #3646)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

We know that the dirty "Hands" of 1957 denied Him and now we wait to see what Joel Bray Marangella and his "followers " will do in this day.  (Friday Dec 25 | post #3642)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Quote in post #3640 CF: Baha'u'llah Kitab-I-Iqan pg. 52  (Friday Dec 25 | post #3641)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

"Bethlehem is astir with the breeze of God. We hear her voice saying: 'O most generous Lord! Where is Thy great glory established? The sweet savors of Thy presence have quickened me, after I had melted in my separation from Thee. Praised be Thou in that Thou hast raised the veils, and come with power in evident glory.' We called unto her from behind the Tabernacle of Majesty and Grandeur: 'O Bethlehem! This Light hath risen in the orient, and traveled towards the occident, until it reached thee in the evening of it's life. Tell Me then: Do the sons recognize the Father, and acknowledge Him, or do they deny Him, even as the people aforetime denied Him (Jesus)?' Whereupon she cried out saying: 'Thou art, in truth, the All-Knowing, the Best-Informed.' "  (Friday Dec 25 | post #3640)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

"We testify that when He (Jesus) came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified." Baha'u'llah Gleanings pg.85  (Friday Dec 25 | post #3639)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Of course, the only one imbued with power, revealed by Jesus Christ, the Manifestation of God, and which was answered by the advent of Baha'u'llah, also the Manifestation of God, both being Messiah (male lineal descendants of King David) fulfilling prophecy to reveal the Logos of God to mankind is this: "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." Revealed by Jesus, the Messiah ben David, fulfilled in Baha'u'llah, the Messiah ben David. Just as is the case with the UHJ, which is the fulfillment of "Thy kingdom come" all other rendings of this prayer revealed by The Spirit (Jesus) are fakes, frauds, and imitations. www.uhj.net kps59 a Knight of Baha'u'llah, in the service of the King.  (Friday Dec 25 | post #3638)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Not only this but in an effort to cast aspersions and sow the seeds of doubt in the hearts and minds of the believers, Joel B.Marangella as pointed out above, even tried to claim that Shoghi Effendi himself was not an Aghsan, a descendant of Baha'u'llah! In doing this he tried to completely do away with the central point of the Revelation of Bah'u'llah which is the Aghsan Lineage. Joel B.Marangella tried to do this for the sole purpose of brushing aside the first of the two criteria, AGHSAN, which enables the believers to identify the true guardian/executive of the Baha'i Administration so he could falsely place himself in that position while also using the false pretext that it's a "spiritual station" endowed with infallibility!! Joel B.Marangella did actively and with full knowledge of his actions and the deceitful nature thereof attempted to do away with one of the two criteria as laid down in the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha which he, Joel B.Marangella knew he did not meet and replaced it with one of his own fabrication, that being his own concept of the so-called "spiritual successor" to a "divine station" of infallibility. He wants the friends to believe that he, Joel B.Marangella is INFALLIBLE! The appalling thing is how many people have fallen for this crock, this lie, this deception of Joel B.Marangella's. It is clear from this that Joel B.Marangella wants nothing less than spiritual authority over the believers in the Baha'i Faith and is bent on despotic power in exactly the same way the Hands did and the Haifan organization now does.  (Wednesday Dec 23 | post #3631)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

IF 'Abdu'l-Baha had said anything about the guardian being anything other than AGHSAN, anything other than this: "then must he,(the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him." (Abdu'l-Baha, The Will and Testament,&#65 279; p. 12) THEN this would be a very different discussion. IF Shoghi Effendi who was AGHSAN had defined the word AGHSAN by any definition other than this: "As to "aghsan" , it also means branch. But it is a bigger branch than "afnan". It refers to Bahá'u'lláh's descendants." (Shoghi Effendi, The Light of Divine Guidance v I, p. 62) THEN this would be a very different discussion. BUT it's not. And these are the facts. kps59 a Knight of Baha'u'llah  (Wednesday Dec 23 | post #3630)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

On the definition of Aghsan here we have Shoghi Effendi stating plainly what it means: "As to "aghsan" , it also means branch. But it is a bigger branch than "afnan". It refers to Bahá'u'lláh's descendants." (Shoghi Effendi, The Light of Divine Guidance v I, p. 62) Note he said "descendants " and not just "sons". In the Will and Testament 'Abdu'l-Baha says to go against Shoghi Effendi is to go against God. Mason Remey is absolutely the adopted son of 'Abdu'l-Baha and therefore is absolutely the lineal (in a line) Aghsan descendant of 'Abdu'l-Baha and of course the lineal (in a line) Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah. Then the only step left is to find out who is NEXT IN THE LINE! The only person who was Mason Remey's son which is what that person absolutely must be to be a lineal (in a line) Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah and even be eligible to be appointed to the ADMINISTRATIVE POST (it's not a station) of guardian was Joseph Pepe who became Joseph Pepe Remey by adoption and thereby became the lineal (in a line) Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah. Following very simply in the line of Aghsan descendants of Baha'u'llah we find that the ONLY person who was the son of Joseph Pepe Remey as he had no biological son, was the one person Joseph Pepe Remey adopted. That one person is the current living lineal Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah, Neal Chase. As Shoghi Effendi is not stating anything about or remotely suggestive of anything bearing even a resemblance to the imaginary notion of a "spiritual successor" as put forth by J.B.Marangella and as J.B.Marangella turned against Mason Remey, the lineal Aghsan DESCENDANT of Baha'u'llah, to align oneself with or support Marangella in this flagrant violation is to place oneself in direct opposition to Shoghi Effendi, 'Abdu'l-Baha, and Baha'u'llah and therefore, squarely at odds with the Baha'i Covenant! This is very easily understood; That J.B. Marangella is very simply NOT the lineal Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah in any way shape or form, either real or imagined. One (such as Jeffrey) cannot on one hand claim that the "Hands" violated the Covenant by rejecting the lineal Aghsan descendant of Baha'u'llah, Mason Remey (as they in fact did) but then on the other hand claim as he does in the case of J.B.Marangella that the guardian after Mason Remey doesn't have to be a lineal Aghsan Descendant of Baha'u'llah and go traipsing off after one who is of no relation whatsoever to Baha'u'llah and proclaim that one to be guardian of the Baha'i Faith. And to have the audacity to do this while Mason Remey was alive and actively functioning in the administrative affairs of the Faith as it's duly appointed guardian. In so doing Jeffrey as his man J.B.Marangella does, declares the Will and Testament null and void because of this: "then must he, (the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him." (Abdu'l-Baha, The Will and Testament,&#65 279; p. 12) and this: "As to "aghsan" , it also means branch. But it is a bigger branch than "afnan". It refers to Bahá'u'lláh's descendants." (Shoghi Effendi, The Light of Divine Guidance v I, p. 62) both of which Jeffrey Goldberg and Joel Marangella deny, repudiate and actively work against.  (Wednesday Dec 23 | post #3629)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Yes, exactly, it is Joel Marangella's "teaching " and as such forms no part in any context of the Baha'i Faith or it's explicit written texts. You and/or Joel have managed to invent your very own belief system completely alien to and apart from the Baha'i Faith in every possible way. As I pointed out to you before, everything I've posted is supported by and in fact contained within or as it is said, Provided for in the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha whereas absolutely nothing you've put forth has anything whatsoever to do with the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha it is as you readilly admit the "teachings " of Marangella which are as I said complete fabrication of his imagination and nothing more. It's completely understandable that you mistake the Provisions of the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha for what you imagine to be something new from Dr.Jensen as all that you identify with Dr.Jensen is actually 100% part and parcel, nothing but the Provisions of the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Baha'i covenant and teachings revealed by Baha'u'llah which you obviously don't understand or hold to. There actually are no "teachings of Dr.Jensen" apart from those of Baha'u'llah and 'Abdu'l-Baha. I really do pray for you and Joel that you will both come to see through your delusions but you continue to grasp at and cling to concepts that are not Baha'i. I am trying to smack that cup of poison from your hands. In service under the provisions of the Covenant, kps59  (Tuesday Dec 22 | post #3620)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Talking to you here is like talking to a rock. Even so, in the interest of continuing to demonstrate the fallacy of your notions here I'll continue. Look, Jeff, you can go by anything you want as your authority but I go by the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha because I'm a Baha'i and to stray even a "hair's breadth" from what's explicitly revealed therein is to break the Covenant. You can add anything you want to the Will and Testament your heart desires but that will only change your position relative to the Center of the Covenant 'Abdu'l-Baha, and the Center of the Cause of God Shoghi Effendi. As Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant we use the Will and Testament as a divine standard but you go right ahead and add on anything you think will make your man J.B.Maragella's claim sound sane to you. As indicated by your last line in the above comment you still don't get that whole IBC/UHJ thing either. Each and every point I've made here is fully supoported by the Will and Testament of 'Abdul-Baha so your opposition to my statements shines a glaringly bright light upon you and where you stand in relation to that document. What has become abundantly clear is that you and your man Marangella simply don't go by the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha. This is why you insist upon adding to it all the far flung ideas of Marangella's which you've been attempting to use as justification for your rejection of the Aghsan lineage. What's also clear is that you reject even Mason Remey. So there we have it. You Jeffrey, and Joel Marangella reject 'Abdu'l-Baha, His Will and Testament, and Mason Remey. So what of Shoghi Effendi? Oh wait, I remember your man Joel B. Marangella determined in his own mind that Shoghi Effendi was not Aghsan! Which he of course very much is albeit from his mothers side of the family. So that would mean that you and Joel are in opposition to Shoghi Effendi as well! How far off the mark can two guys possibly be? For your own sake and Joel's I strongly and urgently recommend that you both read this: http://www.uhj.net /bahai-covenant.ht ml this: http://www.uhj.net /introduction-abdu lbaha-will.html this: http://www.bupc.or g/Most-Mighty-Docu ment.pdf and this: http://www.bupc.or g/test-of-god.html Respectfully, kps59  (Tuesday Dec 22 | post #3619)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Gems from Jeff: "The problem with your argument is you are mixing the legal concepts of corporate successorship with the question of succession to the Guardianship which is a spiritual concept and which renders no legal rights that are enforceable in the courts of the United States." Once again Jeff fails tragically, to apprehend the unarguable fact that the guardianship is an administrative successorship and it is not a "spiritual concept". There is no dividing the inheritance from the previous aghsan guardian of the administrative post of executive-guardian -president of the incorporated body of the UHJ from the inheritance from that same aghsan guardian of the Davidic Kingship. They are one and the same and IT IS an ADMINISTRATIVE POST. This entire "spiritual concept" Jeff speaks of is 100% a fabrication of J.B. Marangella's which forms no part whatsoever of the Provisions of the Covenant as given in the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha.  (Monday Dec 21 | post #3615)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Mason never "abdicated " his seat in the role of guardian that's an impossibility according to the Will and Testament as he is the "distinguishe d member FOR LIFE of that body" which of course means just that-FOR LIFE. What part of that is too difficult for you to wrap your lawyer's mind around Jeff? This is the Will and Testament and if you can't grasp even that simplest of concepts in that document then it's no wonder you also aren't able to grasp the fact that this was a test which your man J.B.Marangella failed miserably and which you too have failed and even now are failing right in front of everyone publicly on this forum. From that point forward nothing you attempt to argue to justify J.B.Marangella's actions following his failure of the test put to him by that "distinguishe d member FOR LIFE of that body", (namely Charles Mason Remey the son of 'Abdu'l-Baha and first executive-guardian -president of the Universal House of Justice once again, FOR LIFE of that body), absolutely nothing, will stand as any valid claim by your guy J.B.Marangella to anything at all much less the position, (remember Jeff don't confuse it with a spiritual station), of guardian of the Baha'i Faith. J.B.Marangella was definitely not loyal to the guardian Mason Remey as he decided to proclaim himself to be in that administrative post which is guardian of the Baha'i Faith, without anything but a letter which was nothing more or less than a test from the then VERY MUCH ALIVE guardian of the Baha'i Faith, Mason Remey. It was a test of Marangella's quality and his ego which he completely failed. So much for being "spiritual ". Marangella had then as he has now, absolutely no ability to show that he fulfilled the ONLY TWO CRITERIA given in the Will and Testament for the one who actually IS the successor to that administrative post of guardian of the Baha'i Faith. To top it all off as this cannot be overemphasized, he actually had the AUDACITY to try pulling this one over on the poor un-deepened and confused Baha'is of that time while the guardian Mason Remey was STILL ALIVE! As anyone can see who is able to read for themselves, the PUBLISHED COURT DOCUMENTS and findings only support everything in my previous posts and much of this is taken directly from and linked to your very own website Jeff! Both you and your man J.B.Marangella should be ashamed of the hoax you continue to try to perpetrate! There is still time to turn about and change your ways. Write to info@uhj.net.  (Monday Dec 21 | post #3614)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

All the violators - “the company of Covenant-breakers” do (especially those who were first educated by Doc and then broke the Covenant later) is take Doc and Pepe's letters out of context and then also deny the true and plain meaning of them. Likewise do they misquote the sacred and explicit Books of the Covenant and take the texts of Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi out of context as well. The Master says that they do this to "muddy the waters", so to speak, "so that they can fish." So in the end, they have only "denied themselves and perturbed and poisoned others" (W&T, p. 12); victims of their own folly and misshapen design. WHOSO BEHOLDETH ME WITH AN EYE BESIDES MINE OWN WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KNOW ME For this reason, in order to set the record straight, We have decided to respond in this document made public on the internet, so sincere people, like yourself, who want to see the truth can have the facts and receive the Truth as We see it from Our own eyes and not through that of others. “Verily I say! No one hath apprehended the root of this Cause. It is incumbent upon everyone, in this day, to perceive with the eye of God, and to hearken with His ear. Whoso beholdeth Me with an eye besides Mine own will never be able to know Me.” (Baha'u'llah cf. Shoghi Effendi, The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 77) If we look at all the letters of Pepe as a WHOLE and not just bits and pieces, we can see that Pepe's desire, as he wrote, was to redeem his father's, Mason Remey's, good name. Pepe writes: “Should the time come when those masses should turn to me, I could not refuse to fulfill the role for not to do so would be a violation of the faith and trust Mason Remey placed in me [which includes adopting and appointing his successor as son and heir]. His name [Mason's] must eventually be rehabilitated. A man who gave so much for the Faith and who was dearly loved by the Founding-Fathers ('Abdu'l-Baha & Shoghi Effendi) deserves something more than what has been heaped upon him in the past. I am dedicated to that end; not for myself, nor for the Faith, nor the Believers, but for Mason Remey. If you have any compassion for me, you should not want me to undergo the sufferings that would result as a consequence of what you ask. Faithfully, Joseph Pepe-Remey 9 May, 1992)” The only WAY Mason's good name can be redeemed or "rehabilitate d" as Pepe put it, is by it being WHOLLY and FULLY demonstrated that Mason is in fact the legal son—aghsan—of 'Abdu'l-Baha. And Pepe wanted this fact ACCEPTED by the MAJORITY of people. In order to accomplish this goal, Pepe, eventually for a brief time, took a stand "in the spirit of the antagonist", not as the devil's advocate, but as Pepe himself wrote, as the "Devil Himself" in opposition. Then, having obtained the goal, after it was fully demonstrated that in fact Mason was the legal adopted son—aghsan—of 'Abdu'l-Baha, Pepe then supported and consented in his letters that it was true in the light of Mason being Aghsan, that in fact BOTH he and Mason were Aghsan, and all the rest could be put aside for the guardianship. Pepe furthermore told Doc to give him Doc's choice of who should be the successor and that Pepe would then go ahead and adopt and appoint that person that Doc recommended, and in the end this is exactly what happened. These are the facts as they are in chronological order. Yet the opposers to this would rather ignore the truth, and they only cite the letters of "opposition " that Pepe wrote, which he did in order to draw out the truth from Dr. Jensen and Neal Chase whom Pepe adopted and appointed as his aghsan son and successor, in a highly visible and public manner, so it would be set down on a firm foundation once and for all time.  (Monday Dec 21 | post #3613)

Chicago, IL

Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

Former Officers Not Bound by Company's Injunction Posted on May 29, 2008 by R. David Donoghue Nat'l. Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the U.S.A. Under the Hereditary Guardianship, Inc. v. Nat'l. Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the U.S.A., Inc., ___ F.Supp.2d ___, 2008 WL 1839078 (N.D. Ill. Apr. 23, 2008) (St. Eve, J.). Judge St. Eve denied defendant the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States' (the "NSA") motion to hold non-parties Franklin D. Schlatter, Joel B. Marangella, the Provisional National Baha'i Council ("PNBC") , the Second International Baha'I Council (d/b/a Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant)("SI BC"), and the Baha'i Publishers Under the Provisions of the Covenant ("BPUPC" )(collectively the "Alleged Contemnors") in contempt for violating the 1966 permanent injunction against plaintiff The National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States Under the Hereditary Guardianship, Inc.'s (the "NSA-UHG " or "UHG") use of the NSA's trademarks. Shortly after the injunction was entered, the NSA-UHG dissolved. NSA argued that its former officers, Schlatter and Marangella, remained bound by the injunction. But the Court held that officers or agents of an entity that are not personally named in an injunction are only bound while acting for the named entity or a subsequent entity formed to avoid the injunction. Schlatter's and Marangella's alleged contempt, therefore, is dependent on their new entity PNBC's status. The Court held that PNBC was not in privity with NSA-UHG. NSA-UHG followed the directives of its spiritual leader, Mason Remey. PNBC, however, followed the directives of its spiritual leader Marangella, not Remey. Furthermore, Marangella specifically instructed PNBC and its members not to violate the injunction. PNBC, Schlatter and Marangella, therefore, were not in privity with NSA-UHG and not bound by the injunction. Similarly, non-parties Jensen, SIBC and BPGPC were not in privity with NSA-UGH, even though they admitted to being successors-in-inte rest to Remey. Jensen disassociated themselves from the NSA-UGH and Remey several years before the injunction was issued. FROM: http://www.chicago iplitigation.com/t ags/joel-marangell  (Monday Dec 21 | post #3608)