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Why Gay Marriage Is Such A Big Deal

Irv: your scriptures are typically condemning or warning in nature, but you could be posting on any thread. Your generalized admonitions are never directly targeting homosexuals, especially those in committed relationships. And the few verses that are out there are largely debatable (as we've already discussed). Your statement should have read, "Homosexualit y is being pushed as normal behavior even though MY FEAR testifies that the practice is unhealthy and that this practice is abominable." ANY unsafe sex is unhealthy (check out STDs in the hetero world.) The practice in abominable in a very narrow interpretation that has been given countless cause for question in its interpretation. There are other Biblical references that might even be in support in homosexuality, at least as far as committed unions go. Modern psychology, psychiatry, pediatrics, counseling and medicine all have published papers stating that the only damage homosexuality can cause is for those who can not terms with who they are (and enter into shamed, self-destructive behaviors) or for those who are harmed through reparative therapy. Sorry, but the "proof of homosexual harm" is never published widespread in academic or research journals, because it does not by itself exist.  (Saturday | post #2572)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

that's a good point. they kept their son in the scouts, and their comments are pretty tame, more along the lines of surprise that they'd run into this wall. good observation.  (Saturday | post #173)

Gay/Lesbian

DC Mom Files Complaint Against Lesbian Teacher for Corrupting C...

because children can't handle it. just like they can't handle adoption, split families, step parents, step siblings, friends being raised by grandparents, divorce, kids who came from test-tubes or surrogate mothers, or foster families. Yeah. kids get really confused by all of that. The only thing confusing to my kids (who totally get that their mom and dad were married at one point, got divorced, mom is now with someone new and she's a fantastic add to their extended family) is why people make such a big deal out of our kind of family but don't seem to get upset about REAL issues and challenges facing society. They don't get why people who don't know us want to focus so negatively on us, when we're doing just fine, thanks. Would be nice to have the legal protections other families have, but as far as the health and safety of my kids are concerned, we're doing just fine. p.s. I don't know of a SINGLE gay family that tried to "confuse " (your words) their kids by telling them that they were created biologically by the two parents in that gay family. That would be just as unethical as adoptive parents telling their kids they'd been conceived by their adoptive parents. Is that really what you think gay people do? How simplistic and bizarre is that assumption!  (Saturday | post #1053)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

what makes you think this, other than cynicism? why not trust in the idea that parents ran into an unexpected wall?  (Friday Jan 1 | post #60)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

as i commented on earlier, most people think that the BSA doesn't allow gay men because of the stereotypes (unfounded) about gay men and molestation. Moms are cub scout leaders all the time. As a lesbian myself, I never stopped to consider that the BSA's ban applied to me; I thought it targeted gay men. I'm guessing these two moms were in the same boat. They stepped into a situation based on their unintentional ignorance. All people, gay and straight, all do it all the time.  (Friday Jan 1 | post #57)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

I disagree. Most parents want their kids to have great learning experiences. Two summers ago, my son was in afternoon baseball. On day one, out walks this person that talked and looked like a guy, was pretty large, and it was seriously unclear whether she was male or female (not trans, just ... unclear.) One of my babysitters works for parks and rec, so I called her over, and awkwardly began to ask about the coach. She cut me off with a short, "yeah, she's a she. You should watch her throw out a baserunner from 3rd." I'm gay, and I nervously looked around the bleachers. We live in a conservative town, and I expected some sort of backlash, some protest, parents pulling their kids and going home. Coach ran the drills, the kids all had smiles, loads of high fives, and she even stopped the game when one side began taunting, for a quick lesson on sportsmanship. And that's how she ran the season. Equal parts skills, sportsmanship, confidence building, encouragement. There were quite a few nervous, uptight parents that first week. But as the season went on, we began to appreciate Coach for what she brought to the table. Most of us also had our sons in evening baseball, with lots of pressure, yelling, and heads hung low for mistakes. Run by more coaches, mostly male, mostly caring more about winning and losing than the kids on their teams. The boys began looking forward to their afternoons -- called it "coach time," and said that the evening was for serious ball, but the afternoon was to remember why they played it, and for them to get better with a great coach. She worked on every baseball skill possible. The kids learned and grew a LOT in their baseball skills due to her positive coaching, and many kids opted to stay in the program in a year when the evening game's pressure traditionally weeded them out. By the end of the season, she had a loyal group of parents happy that she was teaching their kids the love and skills of the game. She'd turned a homophobic group of parents into some of her biggest supporters. She still coaches, and umps, and plays softball herself, along with baseball occasionally on teams that would be short players otherwise. She's got a wicked bat and an amazing throwing arm. My kids still want to go down to the park on her game nights to watch her send a few over the fence. Most parents want their kids to have positive experiences. When they look past stereotypes and truly see a person for the skills and enthusiasm they can bring to the table, they can leave their prejudices at the door.  (Friday Jan 1 | post #56)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay Is Not The New Black But Gay Rights Are Civil Rights

Post your effing link. We can all run google. We all have spent hours searching. Found links on marriage law, but haven't found your data yet. If you had it, you'd post it. What's it to you to cut and paste the link? The longer you wait, the more you look like an idiot with no data to back up your claims. It's on you to provide the link to back up your claim. If you can tell someone to google it, you can type the URL from your browser window into this topix thread. As far as I am concerned, you're a troll 3xs over. Call names, whatever. You have nothing worth discussing. When you do, I'm always interested in discussion. Until then, you have no substance. Hey everyone: I heard HonestAbel was named because his brother secretly wanted him dead so he could have the family fortune (it was a Biblical naming). He was secretly married in Massachusetts at age 14 and now resents the state due to his poor decision. Don't believe me? Geez, you morons, it's out on Google. If you can't find the link that has my proof, you are idiots. I won't provide it specifically. You're an idiot if you can't look. My friend Bob found it, so you have to be able to find it, too. Happy New Years.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #676)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

Agreed 100% with your note. My point was that I thought they were basing their decision on that stereotype. I had no idea they hated all gays (men and women) equally. I thought they were ignorant regarding gay men. Like I said, our boys are not in scouts because of their anti-gay stances, and we don't support their sales, etc. My point was that I don't think the moms did this for publicity. I think they were as poorly informed as I was, until I read this article. Oddly enough, this is not an issue for the Girl Scouts, where Lesbian moms AND gay dads are welcomed as scout leaders.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #46)

Gay/Lesbian

Judge says televised Prop. 8 trial possible

you'd think so. i wonder why they are opposed.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #11)

Gay/Lesbian

N.J. gay couples looking for a civil union 'dissolution' find i...

yet another reason that marriage equality is so important. Legal precedents. It's about so much more than just the words "marriage " "civil unions" and "domestic partnerships. " It's about so much more than what the bigots claim is some selfish "gay agenda" when we push for marriage equality. this article illustrates that perfectly.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #2)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay Is Not The New Black But Gay Rights Are Civil Rights

you posted a link to a general website. sortof like saying, "go to google." I posted my results with your directions. in detail. who's the ass? yeah, you. you've yet to answer ANY question I've posted with specific, relevant facts, and nobody out here gets why you can't just post the dang link if you've got one that backs up what you've said. what's the big deal? post your link. i went to familylaw.com or whatever, based on YOUR directions, and couldn't find the info you say is there. There you go. I can't navigate your directions. I did post what I DID find on your website after considerable searching, and what I found out there contradicts your claims. Everyone is asking you to provide a link, BECAUSE NO ONE can find the info you claim is there. When you don't provide the link, you are admitting you lied about it or screwed up your interpretation of the info in the first place.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #668)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay couple 'angry' at Boy Scout decision

I don't think it was "just for publicity." I'm a lesbian mom... and to tell you the truth, I guess like many other people I assumed they didn't want gay male leaders because of the child molester stereotypes. My kids aren't in the scouts because of their discriminatory policies, but even with that negative publicity I really never stopped to consider it was also directed toward women. Wow. Who'd want the publicity this couple is getting anyway? Yuck. No thanks.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #33)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay Is Not The New Black But Gay Rights Are Civil Rights

I think I already explained this in my previous post, but just because there are exceptions to the minimum marriage age does not prove there is a correlation. How do you explain all of the states where there is no "liberal " support, no SSM, and yet there are still exceptions to the minimum age of marriage consent? If it exists in one place and not the other, you've proven your point. But it exists across the country, whether states are more liberal, accept SSM, or NOT. And why don't you just copy/paste your link instead of providing these vague references to a page and sending people out on wild hunts looking. If you have the evidence (especially on Mass law, which I never did find), why not just post it and be done with it? I provided several valid questions in previous posts and here that you have yet to address. Instead, you post one-liners calling people names. I don't think you have the facts to back your claims up, because you never post specific links for them.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #666)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay Is Not The New Black But Gay Rights Are Civil Rights

you're lying. unless the link you post is a bogus or spamming site, or a hate-mongering site, it wouldn't get deleted. I posted links from the same site you provided, to demonstrate that the ages you claimed weren't listed, and my posts are still there. Post your dang link. Anyone reading this thread gets exactly what you're doing -- claiming lies, using false logic and then evading the truth by calling names and then ignoring challenges to your statements. Thanks for making it so easy. if you have a valid claim against gays or gay marriage, by all means post it. But if you have no valid claim, no truth, then you are simply ignorant or a bigot. either way it's pretty obvious out here.  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #665)

Gay/Lesbian

Gay Is Not The New Black But Gay Rights Are Civil Rights

gays were being locked in jails and mental institutions for being gay. they were being kicked out of housing, lost custody of their kids, and lost their jobs for being gay. The gay symbol of the pink triangle comes from the symbol the Nazis made gays sew on their clothes (like the Jewish star of David) - yep, they were exterminated along with communists, jews, and gypsies in Nazi Europe. One of MLK's chief advisors was gay, and MLK supported him 100% Nobody equates the two directly, but it is important to note that both groups have been oppressed, and both have seen majority votes deny them their civil rights. How much abuse must a group endure before it is "deserving " of its civil rights?  (Thursday Dec 31 | post #664)