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Evolution vs. Creation

Science does not make a claim that there is no Designer, just that no conclusive evidence exists to suggest a Designer. Lacking such evidence, it is neutral on the subject. Science saying that the natural Universe operates under a measurable and observable set of natural laws is not the same as saying there is no Designer. And you are only partially correct that ID was accepted before Science. Lacking scientific evidence, people tended to fill in gaps of knowledge with belief systems. And that is pretty much irrelevant because Science does not exist to confirm or deny what was considered popular opinion (although that can be a side benefit). The real order of happenings would be more like this: -Prior to Science, people used belief systems and Religions to explain things about the universe that they didn't understand. Some of those systems, like Christianity for example, get somewhat detailed and involved. -As Science develops, some of those natural gaps get filled in with new evidence and information, some of which contradicts some interpretations of religious doctrine. -People claim Science is denying or intentionally contradicting their religious beliefs, advocating atheism, etc. Only it's not.  (Tuesday Nov 4 | post #129188)

Evolution Debate

Darwin on the rocks

Man, I knew I picked the wrong major.  (Tuesday Nov 4 | post #560)

Evolution Debate

Darwin on the rocks

Reckless living by accepting Evolution? I would love to know what you think goes on in Biology departments and labs. Like a non-stop Satanic orgy and 24 hour abortion fest.  (Tuesday Nov 4 | post #558)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

The evidence that cars were designed is that we designed them. We can see the entire process from beginning to end. Also, we have never seen a car occur in Nature. With things like DNA we have no such evidence. All we know is that DNA exists. Complexity, in and of itself, is not evidence of design. There are several difficulties in determining, scientifically, if something is designed. For one thing, we only have our own technology as a basis for comparison. If we find a watch in the woods, we don't wonder if it was designed or natural because we know what a watch is (like the car above). If we found a piece of advanced alien technology, then depending on how their technology is manufactured it might be incredibly easy to incredibly difficult to determine if it was designed or natural. It is certainly possible that DNA was designed by an advanced (or even spiritual) designer, but without some criteria or basis for comparison to authoritatively determine whether something was designed or developed naturally, it is impossible to say for sure. Without evidence for design, the safest course of action is to go under the assumption it is natural, pending new evidence. It doesn't shut the door on the question, it just needs new evidence to make the determination.  (Monday Nov 3 | post #129071)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

When blind cave newts lost their eyesight in favor of other senses to be better adapted to their environment, was that evolution or devolution?  (Saturday Nov 1 | post #128695)

Evolution Debate

Darwin on the rocks

Mislead? For what purpose? Who benefits from a massive, global conspiracy involving literally millions of people to promote Evolution if it wasn't backed by scientific evidence?  (Saturday Nov 1 | post #509)

Evolution Debate

How Life's Code Emerged From Primordial Soup

How many Christians were rolling around Greece around 700-500 BC?  (Friday Oct 31 | post #68)

Evolution Debate

Darwin on the rocks

So how about this list of organizations that explicitly support Evolution and reject Creationism and Intelligent Design? Why is your list more relevant than: The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals. American Association of University Professors - 47,000 members American Astronomical Society - 7,000 members. American Chemical Society - 164,000 members. American Geophysical Union - 43,000 Earth and space scientists. American Institute of Physics - 135,000 members American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology - 12,000 members National Association of Biology Teachers - 5000 members National Academy of Sciences - 2200 members (200 of which have won Nobel Prizes)  (Friday Oct 31 | post #501)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

Yeah, I have neither the time nor patience to attempt civil discourse with you, especially considering this has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution. Hopefully you will develop (evolve?) some manners (and tact, and grace, and humility, and basically a whole personality) when you are older. For everyone else, be assured that sparky here does not represent Germans in any way, shape or form. For a fun YouTube channel, check out https://www.youtub e.com/user/Alexand Jim. It is two friends who compare and contrast various elements of American and German culture, but in a friendly, non-competitive way.  (Oct 19, 2014 | post #126676)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

That is great and all but doesn't really address the idea that the use of the word allegedly implies that you thought I might be lying about having been to Germany.  (Oct 19, 2014 | post #126594)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

After being here for several years, never attacking anyone's Christianity and even defending it from some of the more rabid atheists you are willing to concede that of me? How magnanimous of you. Perhaps the reason you perceive so much anti-Christian bias on a discussion on Evolution is that so many people make Christianity such a strong part of the anti-Evolution argument. A discussion strictly on Evolution should never devolve (see what I did there?) into a discussion on religion, and yet here we are time and time againCuring a disease, regardless of the target group, benefits everyone because we don't know how discovery A might affect Group B. Perhaps understanding and curing AIDS will lead to cures for other, unrelated and not sexually transmitted autoimmune diseases. All of which is irrelevant because whether we should work towards curing disease should never be impacted by our perception of the 'worthiness' of the target group. Also, there is no indication that AIDS research takes away from cancer research (in fact understanding one might help with the other).  (Oct 18, 2014 | post #126583)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

You are Lobby Lud and I claim my £5.  (Oct 18, 2014 | post #126582)

Evolution Debate

Darwin on the rocks

This is the kind of even and level headed rhetoric that really brings me back to Topix.  (Oct 18, 2014 | post #332)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

There are diseases that primarily (or even exclusively) targets specific segments of the population, yet they are still around, so maybe there is more going on hereThe same AIDS cure that benefits people that obtained the disease through 'self-destructive behavior' will also benefit those that got the disease through blood transfusions or birth. Just because some victims of a disease follow a lifestyle you don't agree with doesn't make curing the disease less of a priority. Should we not find cures for heart or lung diseases just because some people get them from poor eating or smoking habitsFeel free to point out any post of mine that hurts Christians. I'll waitI've never discussed my personal politics here, so not sure what you are referring to.  (Oct 18, 2014 | post #126562)

Evolution Debate

Evolution vs. Creation

Back in High School I had a school trip to different places around Germany, including West Berlin (this was the 80's). My aunt is from Düsseldorf, though I have never been there. Plus I have met many Germans while traveling in Europe and here in the US (benefits of living in NY, get to meet people from everywhere). Also, allegedly? Is that your English acting up or do you think I would lie about something as trivial as having met German people?  (Oct 18, 2014 | post #126561)

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