So, you have to be dead to be a saint. Sacrifice. (Jan 11, 2008 | post #468)
I think somewhere in the bible actually, it says a saint is a saint after one sacrifices their life for Jesus or God. And I suppose, the point Jesus was making was that he wanted us all to be saintlike in our charity and lives. (Jan 11, 2008 | post #467)
I just found out that in the original Hebrew text from the Torah, Abraham placed the water on the back of Hagar and his 14 year old son, called here, lad. He did send them out into the desert only after God spoke to him and said they would be OK. Hagar and Abraham did not live far off from one another. Abraham lived on one side of Bahsheeba and Hagar lived on another side. Both sides of Hagar's family decendents, and Abraham's decendents, actually married one another. So, they still remained close but seperate due to the fact that Hagar offended Abraham's wife. What she asked him to do was not right, but in those days, just sinning was punishable by death so being sent out into the desert wasn't exactly death unless you ran out of water. But God saved her, as he told Abraham that he would and make a nation from Ismael. (Jan 11, 2008 | post #466)
I am a woman. I am a christian. I am a catholic. I am free because of Jesus and because I'm an American. I nurture my children. I take them fishing. To the beach. I take my lovely daugther to the beauty parlor with me. We get our nails done by a lovely Korean friend that goes to my church. It's her business. Yes, a woman owns this business of the beauty parlor. My boss, she is a woman. She dresses beautifully. We, women, believe very strongly in breat feeding our children. For our health and theirs. For the closeness. For the love. For our feminine nature. We dress ourselves with gold and gems. We use creams and lotions to soften our skin. Our men open doors for us. They kiss our hands softly. They take us to proms. Us, in our beautiful gowns, them, in their wonderful tux. We wash their clothes, iron their shirts. They bring us flowers, candy chocolates, and diamonds. They go with us to church, they protect us from any and all violence. They send us in our house if the darkness of violence is at our doors. If we get angry at them, they walk off and go into their cave to think. We make up. I feel like a woman. Not a slave. Very feminine. I do not see that over there. I did see Indian woman hindu's on air Pakistan that were doctors and could work volunteer or at home, whatever they wanted to do and they had somewhat freedom. But, how do you explain the beatings of women that just go for a drive in the car by themselves? That is freedom and femininity? I'll take being an American, feminine woman, anyday over that. (Sep 18, 2007 | post #396)
You know, I have just read a report from the news. It starts out sounding as if your people over there, private security forces that protect US diplomats, that they did not do the right thing in Iraq. That an investigation is in order. It was covere, the story, factually. No this one or that one is right. Just the facts. So, I read all of it. Turns out, a car bomb, one of many in Iraq, was sent into a crowd of cizilians near some US as well. It blew up, blood was everywhere. Then, the supposed civilians, some, started shooting at the security force. Security started firing. Everybody scattered. The whole thing was horrible. If we leave there, Which we should, which is what everyone over there seems to want, there will be fighting and disaster. And, they will say as in Afganistan, you left us on our own, you didn't help us build up again. If we stay, there will be fighting. There has been fighting in the Middle East, gee, I don't know, when has it not had fighting and conflict? Why? Self defense? I'm sorry, but I do not see car bombs as self defense. Do you? Killing the innocent? or is no one innocent in the mind of the Arab? Even the wee children succling at the mother's breast is not sacrid? (Sep 18, 2007 | post #395)
How can you say that Muslims don't want women to take away their feminine nature. Women of the west are extremely feminine. But your culture, in many countries, mutilate the vaginal area. Cut it, children as young as 6 months old have died from it. Do you have no knowledge of this tradition? Somalia, and many parts of the Middle East? To me, if a culture thinks that it is correct to remove what makes a women have pleasure, cut away a woman's clitorus, then I find that that culture does not consider woman above a slave. Just as they treated some captured men in the past, making the men eunuch in the harem. Women here put perfume on, oils, makeup, they bath in bubbles, they feel extremely feminine. All I see over there are women huddled down on dirt floors, faces covered, cowering, scared, overworked. I do not see, respect at all. Explain this to me? (Sep 18, 2007 | post #394)
You know, I can't take it. I've gotten say something here. I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. You talk about clones, and demons, etc. etc. What, is this Star Wars and you're Obewan? I doubt that very much. And Christians do not, I repeat, do not say that if you don't believe in Christ you go to hell. No. Anyone that has said that is completely incorrect and is not following the Bible. They have been misguided. Everyone should know the mercy of God. If God had it his way, he would like to have Hitler in Heaven too, if he was truly sorry for his sins and repented. But, God allows us choice. Choice to do right, or choice to do wrong. If you do not believe in Jesus, but have a rightceous life, then of course, you will be at the right hand of God. Jesus has made a place for us all. You know, you feel it in your heart, love, you feel it. You know what is right to do, even if you are like Jonah and don't like people that are doing the wrong thing, you know inside that you should love them. But, we choose to hate. We must love. That is Jesus teaching. What he meant by he came with a sword to separate the father from the son, etc. was that he was going to gain the rightceous, whether it would make the son forsake his father or not. If the father is wrong, the son will separate from him, etc. You are only babbling about hallucinations. (Sep 18, 2007 | post #391)
I do not go to athiest post. Seems silly to me. (Sep 14, 2007 | post #383)
Until present? We have men that are totalitarian, and not tolerant now. It's not something of the past. You will always have people that will do that right thing, and people that will not. (Sep 14, 2007 | post #382)
Cheers, ditto for me. I honestly don't think that the Pope and college don't take this very seriously and would always want to name a person a saint if they are a great person. After all, Jesus said in the Bible that we are all asked to be saintlike. I'll find that quote and post it here. It's somewhere in there. He asks us all to take up their own cross and bare it. He has come in the first place to prepare a people worthy to be God's chilren. Yes? (Sep 14, 2007 | post #380)
Hum how odd. If you do not believe in God, why are you commenting on the Roman Catholic church forum? I don't quite understand. Is this forum perhaps in other areas? The only way I have come to it was by way of the Roman Catholic Church Forum. (Sep 13, 2007 | post #377)
You have made some very interesting points. IT surely doesn't make any sense about sending out Hagar into the desert with an other child but a younger child. As well as the only son issue. Then, if this Bible predated the Muslim religion, how did you find out this information, is it in the Torah, and why would some of the info be correct and some other info incorrect? Is it just that it was placed in the wrong order? What document attests to your figuring and findings? You know, to me, all these little details do not matter in the big scheme of things. I just don't particularly care for the way people are treated in the Middle Eastern countries especially women. You talk honor, but I see no honor in the horrors over there. Honestly, I'm more apt to try and make peace, to work things out. That is difficult for anyone really, that has a violent nature, whether they are here or over there. But I notice that there is more violence there. Why? Why can not the Muslim world live in peace? When at first I found out that the Muslims were possibly the decendents of Abraham, I rejoiced with joy. But, on seeing the horrors over there, I am saddened. And people disrespecting Popes etc. etc. I don't find any peace here. Only when I go on my boat with my children and husband, and see the beautiful sun setting on the water. (Sep 13, 2007 | post #375)
Genesis Chapter 12 verse16 So she was taken to Pharoah's palace. On her account (Sarai's) it went very well with Abram, and he received flocks and herds, male and female slaves, male and female axxes,and camels. I don't think that Pharoah would give Abram a princess for a slave. (Aug 30, 2007 | post #344)
