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WHITE HOUSE NOTEBOOK: Short stay miffs Norwegians

According to the 2009 Euro Health Consumer Index the Norwegian health care is only ranked 10th in Europe. So there is nothing to be proud about! 1. Netherlands 2. Denmark 3. Iceland 4. Austria 5. Switzerland 6. Germany 7. France 8. Luxembourg 9. Sweden 10. Norway http://www.norwayn ews.com/en/~view.p hp?72Q2b54qOd4839A 285Cgf844WO3887WF7 6ACm253Qa18  (Sunday Dec 13 | post #3)

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Obama cancels lunch with Norway's king

Well, if I'm considering the Norwegian food, he was right to denies the lunch.  (Thursday Dec 10 | post #20)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

Of course your educational proposal would solve the discrimination problems based on ethnical, national and religious differences and that should be every civilized human’s goal. No question in that. But I still stuck to my opinion that if somebody has the ability to use varieties of tricks or immigration frauds to take advantages from the hosting country, then he could put the same effort to become a lawful member of any society. Nobody’s tendency to commit criminal activities could be explained with one’s poor education or historical cases such as colonization, since nobody was born as a criminal. To choose unlawful manner is everybody’s own decision. If a person leaves his native country because he feels that he or his family has been ethnically, politically or devotionally mistreated, most likely he could make the difference between wrong and right. So in that case the question would be that, why those newcomers with the correct ability to make the right decisions, picking up some immoral behavior?  (Dec 3, 2009 | post #115)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

In theory the “Educational Marshall Plan” doesn’t sound too bad. But even the biggest effort to educate people to reduce or repair the damages of the colonization, would be nothing without very high level of motivation or will, of those formerly oppressed guys to drop some vital behavior routines in order to successfully assimilate to the target society. (In that case we still would commit some cultural suppression because we would try to educate them according to our standards.) But, in my translation the conflict in most cases occurs when newcomers trying to get more advantage than they should without providing evidence of engagement to integrate to the hosting society. Cases like that will always ending up, in sort of cultural or ethnical denial from the native inhabitant’s side and since these new residents think they have no other choice to reach the same material level in a short period as the locals have, big parts of them have the tendency to get involved even in criminal activities. And that is the point when racism steps on stage.  (Nov 25, 2009 | post #113)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

Yes, I understood well what you meant by “virtual cognitive holocaust” and negative results related to colonization and slave trade. What I meant is, it is too simple to blame the western societies and consider the fact of the colonization and the slave trade as the derivation of all the problem, the third world countries struggling with. That is also clever to keep in mind that the so called slave raiders, played a huge role, weren’t European citizens. They mostly were Arabic or African guys and without them or their local knowledge would been hard to achieve slave trade. Enslaving of mass of Europeans between the 16-19th century performed by Barbary pirates or Ottomans is also worth a mention in a debate about slavery. There is one more thing to think about. Here is the list of countries which are only abolished slavery in the end of 19th or in the 20th century: Cuba, Brazil, Korea, Thailand, China, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Bhutan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Oman and Mauritania. None of them seems to be western societies I guess.  (Nov 22, 2009 | post #111)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

That sounds like slavery has never occurred in non European societies before . How, about the Egyptian, Akkadian or Assyrian empires. I’m pretty sure that, they are not considered as European empires, are they? And what about the Arab slave trading, lasting for centuries? Not to mention those early, non European civilizations with their kinda colonization, over the centuries.  (Nov 21, 2009 | post #109)

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Is Norway boring?

True...true  (Nov 7, 2009 | post #152)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

OK. You are right. We were wrong. Western Europe is just a joke compare to India or China and Europeans are so uneducated. So, it is not a nice part of the world at all. Now, you go ahead and spread the good news among your immigrant buddies so they’re might heading to those countries in the future. I’m sure they would find better life over there. We know our life is gonna be simple daily suffering without them but we’ll understand that’s they have to establish a beautiful new life in the free and very democratic China or a country without poverty or caste system like India. No hard feelings. Maybe we are gonna follow them as well.  (Oct 27, 2009 | post #103)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

So, I wouldn't say it is just black and white.  (Oct 25, 2009 | post #96)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

If you read various comments regarded to the immigration influx into the EU or the rest of Europe you could figure out easily that the major problem is not caused by immigrants with a certain level of education or a strong motivation to be a lawful member of any (in our case, western) society. The basic problem derived from the ten thousands and thousands of legal or illegal immigrants whom without the prober level of education or social background have no ability to assimilate to the society. Those, who came over to Europe with a vision of easy opportunities to build their fortune, to face to the immigration’s negative side could be a really bitter awakening. Of course some of them start to work harder and even harder to lay down the foundation of their future and after a while they become a valued member of the society as well. But on the other side there is awfully lot of newcomer to look for some easy money. They are willing to do everything -even criminal activities- to achieve the same fortune level in a very short period, like the native inhabitants have. Unfortunately seems like there is a bigger mass of these kinda immigrants. From the colonization of course Europe took its part very well. No doubt in that. But if you think about the nature or the history of colonization the case is not as simple as it looks like. Just think about the Roman the Mongolian the Arab or the Ottoman empires. They colonized some part of the world as well, I guess. And beside of the many negative aspects of the colonization there are several positive developments that we can’t leave out of consideration. So, I would say it's just black and white.  (Oct 25, 2009 | post #95)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

Okay, I’ve got your point. Of course if someone’s life or his family is threatened by anybody, based on political, religious or race differences, I wouldn’t dispute their right to try to save their life. That’s out of any question. I would try to do the same and rescue my family to the closest safe country, with all -or even beyond- my efforts. But the funky part is, most of these guys, instead of choosing the closest country with safe conditions, which would make sense, trying to immigrate to some of them so called wealthy countries. So, tell me please how come that, these persons are in a big-big dander in their own country but some of them still have the time to register himself in few European countries as asylum seeker, and even willing to leave his wife and kids behind –still in a big-big danger- until they could reunite in a few years? And sometimes, while their applications are being processed, they even ready to travel back to those very-very dangerous countries to visit relatives and so. And one more subject: If I remember well -correct me, if I was wrong- you don’t have to go back too far in the European history, there was this small thing called the WWII. And most of the European countries were torn and ruined and millions got killed, but I don’t remember that big migration of European citizens to anywhere. Instead of fled from their motherland they have stayed and rebuilt the country and the economy. So, if you see some nice and shiny European societies, please remember, it wasn’t free. It wasn’t just popped out of the blue. We were working damn hard and paid the big price for it. I would suggest to those third world countries and its citizens, you were talking about, to try to do the same.  (Oct 24, 2009 | post #93)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

You should of read the entire comment smart*ss.In official term immigrant means that a person leaves his - most likely- native country and reside temporarily or permanently in another country. Therefore, when you mention that you hate immigrants (invanderer) you are including everybody regardless if they came from western societies with decent background and higher education then most of them dudes in Norway, together with those asylum seekers. (For those you can blame your social-communist administration!) So, that’s really pisses me off when some jerk put me on the same page with some “black shoe-shine faced former goat herder trash” seeking asylum in several countries of Europe or -in our case- in Norway  (Oct 23, 2009 | post #87)

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New Social Network for Foreigners in Norway.

Thank you for the idea to creating that site. Good job. But I suppose you should’ve put a little more effort to express pros and cons evenly about Norway because someone might get the fake image that this country is the paradise itself. And they also could be frustrated when they’ll figure out later on - unlike you have described - Norwegian folks aren’t immaculate or the best dudes on the earth. Of course I can understand patriotism and respect it as well, but please…stay on the ground!  (Oct 21, 2009 | post #2)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

So, the world would be all white and Christian. Then slowly we would start to have problem with different tones of white and various streams of Christianity… Bright idea!  (Oct 10, 2009 | post #78)

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Racism in Norway - Is it like this or better that this?

I fear the case isn’t that simple. If you hate immigrants it means you also include all the skilled workers having decent jobs. Why do you wanna send home all the qualified engineers and skillful employees? You should blame your communist kinda government not to strain the influx of the uneducated immigrants without any social background or ability to melt into any western society.  (Oct 9, 2009 | post #74)