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Montebello, CA

Mtb Hill Proposal "...does not have a positive fiscal imp...

The sales tax projection is another issue. “There is a pretty widely accepted model among economists that of the retail sales generated by a new community, about half occurs in the city in which the community is in,” de Arakal said. But Linda Strong, chairwoman of the Save the Montebello Hills Task Force of the Sierra Club, disagrees, saying the project is in the north part of the city and many would take the 60 Freeway to other shopping centers outside of Montebello. “Many people in north Montebello frankly say they shop outside the city,” Strong said. The report also projects the city would receive about $1.4 million from its property tax override that can only be used to cover employee retirement costs. But for now, the city doesn’t get that money, Molinari said. It’s considered redevelopment money and goes to taxing agencies, such as schools and Los Angeles County. It also would have no impact on the general fund, he said. De Arakal said the issue is in the courts and the city might eventually receive the money. “We think that will be a significant incentive to bring more public employees into the system,” he said.  (Monday Dec 15 | post #4)

Montebello, CA

Mtb Hill Proposal "...does not have a positive fiscal imp...

In regards to the Montebello Hills Condo Proposal, "..;this project is essentially revenue neutral, and does not have a positive fiscal impact." --Allan D. Kotin & Associates, Consultant, February 27, 2014  (Monday Dec 15 | post #1)

Montebello, CA

Montebello installs Jack Hadjinian as its first Armenian ...

Of course, head injuries can be fatal, even at slow speeds, or low falls. My great grandfather died when his parked 1909 truck (he was sitting on the bench seat) was bumped from behind, causing him to fall from a height of about 3 feet, killing him in less than 15 minutes. I also remember the case of a man that while putting up Christmas ornaments fell from a ladder onto a soft earth berm, feeling fine and dying 6 hours later from intra-cranial bleeding. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to get out of bed.  (Monday Dec 1 | post #9)

Montebello, CA

Montebello installs Jack Hadjinian as its first Armenian ...

The science of speed is rather startling. If you crash at 20 mph, you generate a certain amount of force that usually gets absorbed by the vehicle, and (hopefully) to a lesser extent, its passengers. At 40 mph, you actually generate FOUR TIMES the force of a 20 mph crash. At 60 mph, you get NINE TIMES the force of a 20 mph crash. Mathematically, you say that the force of impact increases with the square of the speed. That is why high speed kills those that might have survived if the collision was at a lower speed.  (Monday Dec 1 | post #8)

Montebello, CA

Montebello residents debate merits of proposed housing pr...

This is another characteristic of condo project supporters. They won't discuss the actual project because it is, essentially, indefensible, and further discussion just emphasizes the weakness of their position. Try coming up with any objectively verifiable reasons to support the condos. Go ahead. Try. As to your red herring argument that you have concocted out of your interpreting every statement in the worst possible way, here is my response: Wonder why can speak for him/herself. I have lived in Montebello for most of the last 6 decades. I see what is going on in Montebello and watch carefully because I live here and want a good place to live. The condo projects at Greenwood & Mines and Whittier and Bluff were very nice and needed residential developments on underused, safe, and appropriate land that would not cause a serious structural budget deficit for the city. The proposed hill condo development is on unsafe, inappropriate land that would cause a structural budget deficit (according to the outdated Fiscal Impact Analysis) from the property tax income. If Ikea would come to Montebello and want to open up a store, do you think the planning commission and city council would approve IMMEDIATELY? Of course. That is because commercial/retail development ALWAYS brings money into the city's budget from business licenses, sales tax, and increased commercial (paying) traffic. If Ikea would call for a public meeting, they would be met by cheering crowds of residents begging them to open a store here. Now look at the oil company and their subsidiary company, the developer. They have been letting a few thousands of $$ from the millions they pump from under our town dribble to the outstretched hands of potential supporters of an amazingly unpopular hillside condo proposal. The developer has had NO public meetings or hearings, possibly because 80 - 95% of residents surveyed want a park in the hills and don't want more condos. To build on top of an operating oilfield with 300 wellheads is intrinsically a bad idea.  (Nov 11, 2014 | post #12)

Montebello, CA

Montebello residents debate merits of proposed housing pr...

Maybe you missed the question, but it was why there wasn't a restaurant row in Montebello. That is because of a reduced planning staff and the thousands of wasted hours on the condo proposal. Glad I could clear that up. If you want to build something that endangers peoples' lives, causes unmitigable traffic problems, increases the danger of wildfire and causes a structural city budget deficit, why not build a toxic waste dump in the hills? It would cost the city a lot less, and only sicken current residents. I heard the same refrain at the study session about a 'bretter class' of people needed for Montebello. Another speaker said that we should try to do better with the good people we already have. Not that many, but too many people have decided to drink the kool-aid the developer's been serving. The overwhelming majority of Montebello residents who understand that this idea is crazy, and those of them who have taken the trouble to find out the specific facts about this proposal will hopefully be able to keep Montebello on a sound financial and development footing.  (Nov 7, 2014 | post #7)

Montebello, CA

Montebello residents debate merits of proposed housing pr...

There are a lot of vacant and underused storefronts along Whittier Blvd., and with all the thousands of hours wasted on the dangerous, costly to the city condo proposal, when has the reduced city planning staff been able to do anything about it?  (Nov 7, 2014 | post #5)

Montebello, CA

Montebello residents debate merits of proposed housing pr...

This comment was posted on the WDN site by someone named 'Disappointed': ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ ---- This story shows how many details of the proposed condo project aren't known by so many. 1. The condos would not be 'near' or 'close' to an oil field. IT IS ON TOP OF AN OIL FIELD THAT HAS ABOUT 300 WELLS! There could be as little as 10 feet of dirt between the floor of a condo and the top of the wellhead. The wells CANNOT be moved, but the oil will be pumped to outer stations leading to oil piplines (and possibly storage units). 2. I counted about 170 people at about 8:30. 3. "The rest of the 488 acres of oil land would be devoted to open space and habitat protection." This is innacurate. There will be an unknown number of acres for oil production and roads. I estimate at least 40 acres would be needed, and possibly up to about 70 acres might be needed. The concrete ring holding the dirt in place will also take some acreage. It is unknown if the ring will be covered by a layer of dirt and landscaping or be painted brown. The DEIR and MHSP seem to have both possibilities mentioned 4. "...the donation of five acres for a park." The truth is that the land is NOT being donated. The oil company is ALLOWING a park to be built and run by the city OUTISDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, but this land, like all the land under the proposed condos, will still be owned by the oil company. Also, the parkland varies from 3.2 to 5.5 acres, depending what part of the MHSP, DEIR, RDEIR, FIA, and developer advertisement over the years. That whole micropark would fit in the larger parking lot at Grant Rea Park.  (Nov 7, 2014 | post #3)

Montebello, CA

Revised EIR on Montebello Hills Proposal Still Has Negati...

On the contrary, those of us who have been researching and LEARNING THE FACTS for more than 8 years about this proposal, geology, earthquake patterns and types, water quality and availability, traffic survey patterns, property tax income, parkland benefits and speculative city income CAN be legitimately be called experts. That is the ONLY difference between the supporters and agnostics about the proposed condo project and those who are against it. The condo supporters haven't or won't know the facts, and the parkland supporters DO know the facts of the proposal. Law and facts often have abbreviations, none of which belong to the parkland supporters. It is the condo supporters who have necessitated them. This is the comment period for the condo proposal Recirculated Draft Environmental Impact Report (RDEIR). As the city hasn't given any information about how to make comments that will be considered, go to the facebook page for the Save the Montebello Hills Task Force for a short instruction page. A more detailed tutorial is available to anyone who contacts the Task Force. If anyone needed an example on the traffic problems this proposed condo project would bring to Montebello, the horrendous traffic caused by blocking off one block of Lincoln Ave. yesterday is a good example. Imagine that kind of traffic, or worse, EVERY DAY!  (Oct 22, 2014 | post #53)

Montebello, CA

Mtb City Council Votes 5 - 0 To Extend MHSP REIR Comment ...

OOps, the title should read RDEIR, not REIR. The print version had Matthew Perri's comment in large bold letters. Who is this person who gets quoted on the front page in his (as far as I know) first city council comments? This is how the city council should be evaluating the proposed condo project: by looking at the Big Picture: Is it safe and wise to build on an operating oil field with 150 operating wells? That was part of Perri's excellent and perceptive other comments that didn't get quoted by Mike. Many other residents of Montebello who are part of the Save the Montebello Hills Task Force also had other things to say about both the condo proposal and irs RDEIR.  (Oct 12, 2014 | post #2)

Montebello, CA

Mtb City Council Votes 5 - 0 To Extend MHSP REIR Comment ...

http://www.whittie rdailynews.com/env ironment-and-natur e/20141010/montebe llo-city-council-v otes-to-extend-com ment-period-on-env ironmental-impact- report Montebello City Council votes to extend comment period on environmental impact report By Mike Sprague, Whittier Daily News POSTED: 10/10/14, 7:12 PM PDT | 1 COMMENT MONTEBELLO >> The City Council voted 5-0 Wednesday to extend the comment period from 45 to 60 days for the environmental impact report on a proposal to build 1,200 homes (42 yr comment: actually condos) in the Montebello Hills. The council also voted to hold a study session on Nov. 6 when a presentation on the report will be given and comments on the plan will be allowed. “This is extremely important item for our community,” said Councilman Art Barajas. I am not on one side or the other. I want to gather all of the facts. I want to be fair to everybody.” The report, which is a revision of a 2009 document, was released on Sept. 12 (2014). The city received more than 40 letters in support of extending the comment time. Ten people spoke Wednesday, most of them asking for an extension. “I’d like to ask for more time to look at this huge document and for more public discussion,” said Montebello resident Matthew Perri. “People here in Montebello don’t know what this property is. They don’t know it’s a working oil field. We need to take this seriously.” The Save the Montebello Hills Sierra Club Task Force submitted more than 40 of the letters asking for the extension. Byron de Arakal, spokesman for the developer, Cook Hill Properties, said the company had no objection to the extension or the study session. Cook Hill has proposed building homes on 174 acres owned by the Montebello Land Company. Freeport-McMoRan Oil and Gas, which owns the mineral rights and would continue to pump oil even after the homes are built. The rest of the 488 acres of oil land would be devoted to open space and habitat protection. The area is bordered by Montebello & San Gabriel Blvds and Lincoln Avenue.  (Oct 12, 2014 | post #1)

Montebello, CA

Montebello Hills Project Once Again Under Review

Thank you for the good wishes. The meetings for the SCE Tehachapi High Voltage project are pretty much done for now in Montebello. Nowhere in Montebello are any tract of homes built on around 100 + operating oil wells. This proposed condo project is unprecedented anywhere in the USA. If this proposed condo project doesn't go through, the city will be ahead of the game, with the certain income from the proposal causing a budget deficit for the city according to the old, awash-with-redevel opment-money Fiscal Impact Analysis, the certain and admitted unfixable traffic problems, and the unlimited liability to the city from illness and death potentially caused by this proposal. The only thing this proposal would help Montebello to catch up to is bankruptcy, and that is a course I would rather avoid.  (Oct 9, 2014 | post #11)

Montebello, CA

Montebello Residents Ask For Condo Proposal RDEIR Comment...

I had to work late tonight, but you just beat me to the punch. Here is the one comment on the story, as of Tuesday: From: Disappointed The 'group' is a group of residents that has near universal support by the city's residents. Isn't it odd that Jack Hadjinian argued passionately in August that a 30 day extension was needed for the comment period for the Gold Line Extension so that his buddies in the Chamber of Commerce could have more time to review that complex proposal? Don't the residents of Montebello deserve the same consideration? Apparently, Jack doesn't think so.  (Sep 30, 2014 | post #2)

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Hilltop Park Above All

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Montebello, CA

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La Merced Area, Montebello

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Possible destruction of our last undevel-oped Hills by carpetbaggers 'n scoundrels

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