UN chief warns of 'incalculable' suffering without climate deal

Northie wrote:

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Speak of the devil. Here's one of our resident right-wing, religious science-deniers now. We can safely assume that the head of the UN is not thinking of you when he promises to reach responsible religious folk.
As for the religious and conservative roots of science denial, one needn't look to mullahs and ayatollahs in the Middle East's oil fields. Just look at the strident denial of current science to be found right here in the more conservative corners of the USA:
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla.: "The vast majority of scientists do not believe that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions are a major contributor to climate change."
Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.: This bill means "people must turn off air-conditioning in the summer."
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.: "This bill will attack citizens at the pump" and "increase job losses."
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.: This bill will "leave us less competitive in the world marketplace."
Sen. John Thune, R-S.D.: This bill "could bankrupt U.S. air carriers."
Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo.: "Nobody in their right mind" believes we can get half our power from wind and solar or drive a "fleet of golf carts."
Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo.: "It's unclear as to what the long-range trend is as far as the temperature of the Earth is concerned."

You are correct, there seems to be a pattern.

The pattern being that the political left is populated with flat out lying money sucking frauds. They are utterly convinced that the lies and frauds they peddle is supported by science and is actually good.

In other words they think that socialism and communism is to be shoved down every ones throats any way they can. con people into believing lies and not fighting back

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"No matter if the science is all phony, there [are] collateral environmental benefits...
climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

Christine Stewart,
Canadian Environment Minister,
Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998
http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/endangered/esahi...

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Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore

Social activists, he suggests, "are now using the rhetoric of environmentalism to promote other collectivist agendas,

In addition to the activist influx, those who joined early on and remain in the group today have become more radicalized. Moore explains that as society adopted many of its original social and economic goals,

the environmental movement "abandoned science and logic and moved to the left.

the fall of communism brought an influx of anti-corporate extremism to the environmental movement because, "suddenly, the international peace movement had a lot less to do. Pro-Soviet groups in the West were discredited. Many of their members moved into the environmental movement, bringing with them their eco-Marxism and pro-Sandinista sentiments.

"A lot of those in the peace movement were anti-American and, to an extent, pro-Soviet. By virtue of their anti-Americanism, they tended to sometimes favor the communist approach.

a more radical mind-set ascended to power -- "monkey-wrenchers, tree-spikers and boat-scuttlers," he says, many sporting fatigue uniforms and red berets.

Intolerance and extremism became the norms, the Greenpeace founder continues, and

the organization adopted a policy of preaching "fear not fact."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/i...

JRS wrote:

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the political left is populated with flat out lying money sucking frauds. They are utterly convinced that the lies and frauds they peddle is supported by science and is actually good.

If you're worried about money-sucking frauds, look rightward to the bankers and insurers who just looted $14 trillion from us...oops, too late! It seems you misplaced your faith once again, JRS. Believe Inhofe and Blankenship if you must. Me, I'll listen to the scientists.

Northie wrote:

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If you're worried about money-sucking frauds, look rightward to the bankers and insurers who just looted $14 trillion from us...oops, too late! It seems you misplaced your faith once again, JRS. Believe Inhofe and Blankenship if you must. Me, I'll listen to the scientists.

You dumbass, your lefty Obama Pelosi comrade socialist nut jobs spent all that money. What a dope.

Forget politicians and religious nutjobs, here are just a few names of sceptical scientists:
Timothy F. Ball
Robert M. Carter
Michael Chrichton
Vincent R. Gray
Hendrik Tennekes
Antonino Zichichi
Khabibullo Abdusamatov
Sallie Baliunas
George V. Chilingar
Ian Clark
David Douglass
Don Easterbrook
William M. Gray
William Kininmonth
George Kukla
David Legates
William Happer
Tad Murty
Tim Patterson
Ian Plimer
Harrison Schmitt
Tom Segalstad
Nir Shaviv
Fred Singer
Willie Soon
Roy Spencer
Philip Stott
Henrik Svensmark
Jan Veizer
Syun-Ichi Akasofu
Claude Allègre
Robert C. Balling, Jr
John Christy
Petr Chylek
William R. Cotton
David Deming
Chris de Freitas
Richard Lindzen
Craig D. Idso
Sherwood Idso
Kiminori Itoh
Patrick Michaels

As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change.

Yes, Tim, a lot of folk have been brainwashed by politics, some of them even sit at their computers, telling the world they understand climate science.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-wa...

If something sounds too bad to be true, it probably is.

Earthling wrote:

Forget politicians and religious nutjobs, here are just a few names of sceptical scientists...

The usual suspects. A short list of energy industry harlots; plus a few cranks and crackpots who have no business holding forth outside their field; garnished with a few well-meaning but mistaken scientists. Not a single major, relevant scientific body in all the world agrees with them.

Physicist Freeman Dyson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson

Northie wrote:

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If you're worried about money-sucking frauds, look rightward to the bankers and insurers who just looted $14 trillion from us...oops, too late! It seems you misplaced your faith once again, JRS. Believe Inhofe and Blankenship if you must. Me, I'll listen to the scientists.

Misplaced faith.

You claim both of you share a common trait..."Faith".

The difference is, for many, your faith has evolved into a religion that "AGW has the answers" (quote from a fellow believer)
and "The End Is Near".

AGW forecasts Armageddon, which is no different from other religions when such prophecy is perceived as "fact" by the AGW believers.

Blessed be the keepers of the faith.

I live in the Appalachian Mountains, thank god for the 10,000 years of global warming, or I would be crushed under sheets of ice. Global warming has been occurring, will occur in the future, and will lead to global cooling, as it has in the past. Humans are pathetic creatures to think that we are able to control nature. For those that claim that all scientists/meterolgists agree are 1) wrong and 2) should be very wary of any scientifc statement that "everyone" agrees in or that requiremes disbelievers to be silent about.

Oh yeah, then combine science with politicians, from any political party, and you will get very little science and no truth, that can be verified.

Brian_G wrote:

Physicist Freeman Dyson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson

Freeman Dyson can't count as high as Mike Mann can.

Magic-Melter-Mike has a special "Mannian Statistics" button on his calculator that makes all numbers grow the more you hope they will.

fhummil wrote:

I live in the Appalachian Mountains, thank god for the 10,000 years of global warming, or I would be crushed under sheets of ice. Global warming has been occurring, will occur in the future, and will lead to global cooling, as it has in the past. Humans are pathetic creatures to think that we are able to control nature. For those that claim that all scientists/meterolgists agree are 1) wrong and 2) should be very wary of any scientifc statement that "everyone" agrees in or that requiremes disbelievers to be silent about.

I sometimes wonder what people like Northie would have thought, had he lived in the time when those ice sheets were melting, my guess is that he would have been offering up sacrifices to the gods, thinking that the world was coming to an end.
It makes me wonder what future generations will think about this generation worrying about the disappearance of Arctic ice.
If the world's landmass is a different shape in the distant future when sea levels rise, the current residents will simply accept it as the norm, the same way we accept that much of America and many other continents are now ice free.
The one and only thing that humans have to fear, is another ice age.

fhummil wrote:

I live in the Appalachian Mountains, thank god for the 10,000 years of global warming, or I would be crushed under sheets of ice. Global warming has been occurring, will occur in the future, and will lead to global cooling, as it has in the past. Humans are pathetic creatures to think that we are able to control nature. For those that claim that all scientists/meterolgists agree are 1) wrong and 2) should be very wary of any scientifc statement that "everyone" agrees in or that requiremes disbelievers to be silent about.

Another scientific opinion from the heart of coal country.