Trayvon Martin Debate - Stroudsburg, PA

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What's your reaction to the Trayvon Martin Case?

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#1
Mar 25, 2012
 
Too many jumping the gun. Recent history shows this to be a mistake. Duke LaCrosse players come to mind.

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#2
Mar 25, 2012
 
I voted, more info needed!
I lean toward accidential shooting but I don't want to be called a racist.
Like that hasn't happened before.

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#3
Mar 25, 2012
 
Well, if Zimmerman has grass stains on his back and facial bruising from being beat on I'd tend to say self defense, just have to wait till the media is done making money on premature hype and actually publishes some facts.

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#4
Mar 25, 2012
 
And not just the sensational story that we are being fed

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#5
Mar 25, 2012
 
Turns out this 'kid' was a six foot two inch thug.

So much for accuracy in media. Kind of like Sandra Fluke was just a 'student.'

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Me thinks there is more to the story...

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Jeff Woehrle wrote:
Turns out this 'kid' was a six foot two inch thug.
So much for accuracy in media. Kind of like Sandra Fluke was just a 'student.'
Thug? Evidence? He did nothing wrong. How would you react if a black man was following you in a Cadillac? How would you react if that black man tried to force you to the ground? Would you fight back? I bet you would. Would that give him reasonable provocation to shoot you dead?
The boy did nothing wrong. He was walking back to his father's home. Armed with a snack and an iced tea. Zimmerman was told not to follow or pursue him. According to neighborhood watch rules, Zimmerman was not allowed to be armed while "on patrol", nor was he allowed to try to apprehend "suspects". Most people would fight back if they were in Treyvon's shoes too. Getting shot by an overzealous moron.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>Thug? Evidence? He did nothing wrong. How would you react if a black man was following you in a Cadillac? How would you react if that black man tried to force you to the ground? Would you fight back? I bet you would. Would that give him reasonable provocation to shoot you dead?
The boy did nothing wrong. He was walking back to his father's home. Armed with a snack and an iced tea. Zimmerman was told not to follow or pursue him. According to neighborhood watch rules, Zimmerman was not allowed to be armed while "on patrol", nor was he allowed to try to apprehend "suspects". Most people would fight back if they were in Treyvon's shoes too. Getting shot by an overzealous moron.
My point, twinkletoes, is that 'Trayvon' is as much a kid as Sandra Fluke is a 'student.'

Wise up. You are being manipulated.

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#9
Mar 25, 2012
 
The media's rush to judgement in this case mirrors that of faux student Sandra Fluke. There is more to this that is either being purposefully withheld or not yet known. And she shooter is as much a 'white man' as I am a black man.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Jeff Woehrle wrote:
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My point, twinkletoes, is that 'Trayvon' is as much a kid as Sandra Fluke is a 'student.'
Wise up. You are being manipulated.
My point is that he is a kid. I don't care how tall he was. 17 is a kid. But as anyone, including yourself, would do when approached by an unidentified guy in a pick up truck, he ran. When he was run down, and forced to the ground, he fought back. As you would. Had Zimmerman followed the guidelines of a Neighborhood watch member, Trayvon would still be alive. And the "self defense" clause goes out the window when Zimmerman initiated contact. Stand your ground laws do not allow you to pursue and initiate contact. The Florida legislator that wrote the law stated that Zimmerman cannot use the "Stand Your Ground" law as his defense.
Florida Senator Durrell Peadon, who sponsored the law, said that Zimmerman “has no protection under my law.” According to state Representative Dennis Baxley,“There’s nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue and confront people.” The law, Baxley notes, was designed only “to prevent you from being attacked by other people.”
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Mar 25, 2012
 
fistv wrote:
Well, if Zimmerman has grass stains on his back and facial bruising from being beat on I'd tend to say self defense, just have to wait till the media is done making money on premature hype and actually publishes some facts.
Well, if Zimmerman had listened to the 911 operator and didn't pursue Trayvon, if he didn't attempt to apprehend Trayvon, the 17 year old wouldn't have been forced to defend himself from the overzealous, self proclaimed, neighborhood watch captain. Neighborhood watch groups were designed to be the eyes and ears of police, passively observing what they see and reporting back to law enforcement, not to enforce the law themselves. Local rules for neighborhood watches in Sanford clearly stated that guns were prohibited while on watch. Zimmerman attempted to take matters into his own hands. He was advised not to. He initiated contact, that contact created a hostile situation. Most people, adults included will usually resist being held captive by a nobody. Anyone that says that they wouldn't fight for their freedom from a non police officer attempting to apprehend them is a liar.
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Mar 25, 2012
 
"if he didn't attempt to apprehend Trayvon,"

"He initiated contact, that contact created a hostile situation."

"being held captive by a nobody"

There's certainly blame to go around, but you need to provide a link to these fairy tales.

Zero evidence to what you describe.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
loose stool wrote:
"if he didn't attempt to apprehend Trayvon,"
"He initiated contact, that contact created a hostile situation."
"being held captive by a nobody"
There's certainly blame to go around, but you need to provide a link to these fairy tales.
Zero evidence to what you describe.
Zero evidence? Did Zimmerman not call the police? YES. Did the operator not tell him to NOT pursue? YES. Zimmerman then says to the dispatcher "Oh $#it, he's running". The dispatcher then asks if he is pursuing him. He says "YES"! The dispatcher then again told him not to.

The Martin was obviously attempting to avoid Zimmerman. So who initiated contact? The call to police was recorded. That part is absolutely without question.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
I agree with whomever said the media was trying to make this into a sensational story.

There is compelling evidence that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind. He had a gash on the back of his head consistant with being hit with a sharp object. Under Florida law when you are being attacked you are allowed to defend yourself with lethal force.

The pictures of a young Trayvon are several years old he was tall standing over 6'. There had been a rash of breakins at the complex. If Trayvon had stopped, as Zimmerman requested, and answered a few questions this wouldn't have happened, But no, he ran and later evidently ambushed Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's best friend is a black man who says that Zimmerman is not prejudice and is not racist. He appeared on the Today show to show his support for his friend who he believes acted in self defense.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Mike Stegall wrote:
I agree with whomever said the media was trying to make this into a sensational story.
There is compelling evidence that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind. He had a gash on the back of his head consistant with being hit with a sharp object. Under Florida law when you are being attacked you are allowed to defend yourself with lethal force.
The pictures of a young Trayvon are several years old he was tall standing over 6'. There had been a rash of breakins at the complex. If Trayvon had stopped, as Zimmerman requested, and answered a few questions this wouldn't have happened, But no, he ran and later evidently ambushed Zimmerman.
Zimmerman's best friend is a black man who says that Zimmerman is not prejudice and is not racist. He appeared on the Today show to show his support for his friend who he believes acted in self defense.
Zimmerman also had a broken nose. Consistent with being punched in the face. Punched in the face by someone defending themselves.
Zimmerman had no right and was told to NOT pursue Martin.
Under Florida Law you may defend yourself, but as part of that defense, you must stand your ground or retreat. Pursuit is absolutely not defensive. And according to the legislators that wrote the law. They don't believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense.
Florida legislators, however, insist the Stand Your Ground law does not provide a defense for people like Zimmerman, who pursue and confront someone. Florida Senator Durrell Peadon, who sponsored the law, said that Zimmerman “has no protection under my law.” According to state Representative Dennis Baxley,“There’s nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue and confront people.” The law, Baxley notes, was designed only “to prevent you from being attacked by other people.”

As for the break ins... So what? Does that mean that I get to shoot anyone that defends themselves when I accost them for being "suspicious" if my neighbors house was broken into last year?
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Mar 25, 2012
 
It really is pretty obvious.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Like I said, everybody is BSing right now trying to hang someone guilty of a crime or not. The media is fueling the frenzy and until all the information is out I'm standing pat. Interesting how CNN never reported on that the 13 year old white kid, Allen Coon, in Kansas that was doused in gasoline and set on fire by two older black kids who said 'this is what happens to white boys'....

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Mar 26, 2012
 
fistv wrote:
Like I said, everybody is BSing right now trying to hang someone guilty of a crime or not. The media is fueling the frenzy and until all the information is out I'm standing pat. Interesting how CNN never reported on that the 13 year old white kid, Allen Coon, in Kansas that was doused in gasoline and set on fire by two older black kids who said 'this is what happens to white boys'....
Yeah, you're right. If two black kids are a$$#oles and kill a white kid, then it's OK to kill a black kid. Way to go. Adding a little perspective to the discussion.

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#19
Mar 26, 2012
 
What should not be lost in all this is not that another black kid managed to get himself shot. That happens all the time.

The REAL issue is how the media's reporting of this story was designed to make the reader/viewer reach a conclusion. The dated, smiling photo of an innocent looking kid rather than a more recent photo. Never mentioning this size of this 'kid' at six foot two. The constant reference to him by his first name. Constantly referring to the shooter as white, when he is obviously Hispanic.

All combine to paint a picture for the news consumer: Violence by whites against blacks. Guns are bad. Blacks are innocent.

The reporting on this story has been nothing short of a crime against the truth. Thank God for the Internet and sites like this one. No longer is the public limited to what the liberal media wants us to think, and the conclusions they want us to reach.

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Mar 26, 2012
 
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, you're right. If two black kids are a$$#oles and kill a white kid, then it's OK to kill a black kid. Way to go. Adding a little perspective to the discussion.
That isn't what was said. It was an attempt to show the difference in media coverage. Most of the posters here have said they need more information. The media isn't providing it. They are too busy sensationalizing the story and setting the stage for riots. How many will die in these contrived riots? Who will be held responsible?

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