Trayvon Martin Debate - McKee, KY

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Apr 3, 2012
 
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A lot we don't know... but those who run don't attack someone from behind usually...I would have made a non-stop run for the house I was visiting.
Exactly, and as we know from Zimmerman's own words on the 911 tape, Trayvon ran. So, that really makes Zimmerman's story that Trayvon attacked him from behind suspect doesn't it?

But I agree, a lot we don't know, therefore, I'm certainly not going to attempt to pre-judge this case based on what little reliable evidence has been made available to the public. I think it would simply be foolish to do so, if not racist.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
The burden of proof is on the state and if Zimmerman gets an honest jury based upon the evidence he will get acquitted.

There isn't enough to know exactly what happened and everyone is entitled to the benefit of a doubt under the law.

All we do know is Trayvon did attack Zimmerman and Zimmerman was beaten and that is justifiable homicide no matter how you slice it unless there is something we don't know that conclusively proves Zimmerman attacked first (which I don't think there is or it would have been leaked to the press by now)

Let's just pray for a fair trial -- if there is one -- and honest justice and not social knee jerk over-reaction takes place.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
Zimmerman should be charged with stalking if nothing else.

Fla. Stat.§ 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties.(2008)

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.

(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.

(d) "Cyberstalk" means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.

(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person's child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
Hey wrote:
Zimmerman should be charged with stalking if nothing else.
Fla. Stat.§ 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties.(2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(d) "Cyberstalk" means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person's child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
IT DOESN'T APPLY...he won't be charged with any of this...neighborhood watch means watch, follow, report to police...

What Zimmerman did was legal and reasonable.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
Don't know if he'll be charged but it applies. Neighborhood watch means observe and report to police and not follow, stalk, harass. Zimmerman had no authority to follow and stalk Martin. And Martin would've never died steps from his father's fiancee's home he was staying at if Zimmerman hadn't overstepped his authority and followed. Yea Zimmermans guilty of stalking anyway you look at it.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
Hey wrote:
Don't know if he'll be charged but it applies. Neighborhood watch means observe and report to police and not follow, stalk, harass. Zimmerman had no authority to follow and stalk Martin. And Martin would've never died steps from his father's fiancee's home he was staying at if Zimmerman hadn't overstepped his authority and followed. Yea Zimmermans guilty of stalking anyway you look at it.
He did have the right as there is no law against following anyone provided an E.P.O. hasn't been issued.

As to how close he was to where he was going is speculation on your part as I have yet to read or hear he was steps away...

If so he HAD NO REASON TO ATTACK ZIMMERMAN...

I can't believe how "facts" are being invented in this case...lol

I am really curious as to where the store was to the house he came from to where he was when first observed by Zimmerman and where he was killed...

It will have a big bearing on what Trayvon might have really been doing.

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#48
Apr 4, 2012
 
I don't have the link to it, but I read an 'Orlando Sentinel' article a couple of days ago which stated Trayvon was killed only steps from the home of his father's fiancee' where he was visiting. I suppose if one is that interested in finding it for themself they could Bing or Google it.

By all means, Zimmerman was overstepping his authority by following Trayvon. Otherwise, I see no logic in the 911 dispatcher telling Zimmerman he didn't need to be following Trayvon.
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Apr 4, 2012
 
Honest Babe wrote:
I don't have the link to it, but I read an 'Orlando Sentinel' article a couple of days ago which stated Trayvon was killed only steps from the home of his father's fiancee' where he was visiting. I suppose if one is that interested in finding it for themself they could Bing or Google it.
By all means, Zimmerman was overstepping his authority by following Trayvon. Otherwise, I see no logic in the 911 dispatcher telling Zimmerman he didn't need to be following Trayvon.
The 911 was telling him to stop for Zimmerman's safety not because he was breaking the law. He didn't want Zimmerman to get between the police and their job and whoever he was following, not because Zimmerman broke the law.

All these conclusions...fancy...lol

Anyhow I Googled the comment about Trayvon being feet from the house and it came up nothing 10 different ways. If it were reported then it was another media embellishment just like that goofy little boy photo of a young man that now looks more like a punk in every recent photo that can be found...
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Apr 4, 2012
 
This defines stalking and or criminal harassing:

following you everywhere...
contacting you over and over...
watching your home or office...
making you or your family feel threatened?

It is a repeated event even after you have asked them to stop -- not a one time event.

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The 911 was telling him to stop for Zimmerman's safety not because he was breaking the law. He didn't want Zimmerman to get between the police and their job and whoever he was following, not because Zimmerman broke the law.
All these conclusions...fancy...lol
Anyhow I Googled the comment about Trayvon being feet from the house and it came up nothing 10 different ways. If it were reported then it was another media embellishment just like that goofy little boy photo of a young man that now looks more like a punk in every recent photo that can be found...
Well good lawd Mr. Snider, if I had known you were actually interested in reading an article that isn't demonizing the young man you say "looks more like a punk in every photo" in some way, I would have searched the report out for you and posted it earlier. I am surprized you were unable to find it yourself since I found these two reports in just a few seconds...

This is the same article I was speaking of reading from the 'Orlando Sentinel'...

"Police said Zimmerman was running an errand in his SUV — with his gun — when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from 7-Eleven about 7:15 p.m. Zimmerman called police to report Trayvon as suspicious, and although a dispatcher said he didn't need to follow the teen, the two got into a scuffle.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun, officers said. The 17-year-old died steps from the home of his father's fiancée, where he had been visiting."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon...

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"Zimmerman has claimed self-defense in the matter. He was running an errand in his SUV when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from a 7-Eleven store at about 7:15 p.m. on Feb. 26. While Zimmerman did call police to report Martin as suspicious, he continued to follow the teen, although the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow Martin.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun. The 17-year-old died just steps from the home of his father's fiancée, whom the pair had been visiting."

http://www.huliq.com/3257/national-neighborho...

Really Mr. Snider, it is your business and your choice, but it saddens me you seem to not have any compassion for Trayvon due to how he looks in his photos. Who knows, if you would have had the chance to get to know him in person, you and he might could have been good friends.
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#52
Apr 5, 2012
 
Black on black crime thats the real problem....they need to call on blacks to stop killing blacks!!! this Zimmerman is not the whole race problem...they(blacks) are their own worst enemy..not whitey!!!

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Apr 5, 2012
 
* surprized = surprised
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Apr 5, 2012
 
Honest Babe wrote:
Incidents in Trayvon's past, such as him getting caught with a marijuana baggie and defacing school lockers, keep being brought up in many of the news articles. I do not see how that should have any bearing on this incident which led to his death.
With that said, I consider Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson right up there with Glenn Beck when it comes to always trying to keep trouble stirred up between people.
yes you are right, been white boy got killed nothing would have ever been said.let a black one get killed all hell breaks loose.

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<quoted text> yes you are right, been white boy got killed nothing would have ever been said.let a black one get killed all hell breaks loose.
I suppose you have given the same amount of thought as to what the outcome would have been if Zimmerman was a black man who had pursued, shot, and killed a 17 year old unarmed "suspicous looking" white boy he saw walking in the neighborhood.
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Apr 5, 2012
 
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the guy that shot him was racial profiling him even the cops told him not to follow the boy but they guy was out for blood
This comment is not about the Martin/Zimmerman case. You use the word racial profiling. Almost any day you can read or see on TV news stories about murder and robbery. Often the killers or thieves are young black men wearing hoddies and the rest of the gansta clothing. Young black men sit themselves up for danger when they dress like this and parents should warn them. I'd say that most people black or white would react with fear and caution when they meet a group of young black men on a street at night. So are people really wrong to be cautious? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it could be a duck.

Now about the Martin/Zimmerman case. There is so much false information on the net and in the media. The wise thing is to withhold judgement until Zimmerman is tried and he will be tried. You have no way to know if the shooter was out for blood. People who place the blame on Martin have no way to know if that is true.
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Apr 5, 2012
 
Hey wrote:
Zimmerman should be charged with stalking if nothing else.
Fla. Stat.§ 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties.(2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(d) "Cyberstalk" means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person's child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Please tell me what a neighborhood watch person is supposed to do. According to news reports the gated community had seen a great deal of crime most of which was committed by young black men. Zimmerman was supposed to check him out, that was his job. Having posted that I must remind you that we only know the facts as presented by the media and the internet. You do not know the truth. I don't know the truth. Martin may have been a pot dealing, gold toothed thug. Zimmerman may been an overzellous race monger. Probably neither is true. Wait for the facts before convict anyone on what you hear but do not know. Also, examine yourself. Is your judgement based on predjuice?
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Apr 5, 2012
 
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Please tell me what a neighborhood watch person is supposed to do. According to news reports the gated community had seen a great deal of crime most of which was committed by young black men. Zimmerman was supposed to check him out, that was his job. Having posted that I must remind you that we only know the facts as presented by the media and the internet. You do not know the truth. I don't know the truth. Martin may have been a pot dealing, gold toothed thug. Zimmerman may been an overzellous race monger. Probably neither is true. Wait for the facts before convict anyone on what you hear but do not know. Also, examine yourself. Is your judgement based on predjuice?
If you'd read the news reports Honest Babe put up you'd know what a neighborhood watch person is supposed to do.

"Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, elaborated on the rules that George Zimmerman broke. First, he approached a suspicious stranger. "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy [Zimmerman] went way beyond the call of duty."

No Zimmerman was not supposed to check him out. No that was not his job. Zimmerman violated neighborhood watch directives. I've not convicted anyone. I'm not a trial judge. I'm a man with a opinion. No judgement involved. No my opinion is not based on prejudice. And for the record yes stalking can be a one time event. And if you will take the time to read this article and look at the photos it might help you understand more about what you brought up about wearing hoodies
http://globalgrind.com/news/Geraldo-Rivera-We...
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Well good lawd Mr. Snider, if I had known you were actually interested in reading an article that isn't demonizing the young man you say "looks more like a punk in every photo" in some way, I would have searched the report out for you and posted it earlier. I am surprized you were unable to find it yourself since I found these two reports in just a few seconds...
This is the same article I was speaking of reading from the 'Orlando Sentinel'...
"Police said Zimmerman was running an errand in his SUV — with his gun — when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from 7-Eleven about 7:15 p.m. Zimmerman called police to report Trayvon as suspicious, and although a dispatcher said he didn't need to follow the teen, the two got into a scuffle.
Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun, officers said. The 17-year-old died steps from the home of his father's fiancée, where he had been visiting."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon...
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And here is another...
"Zimmerman has claimed self-defense in the matter. He was running an errand in his SUV when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from a 7-Eleven store at about 7:15 p.m. on Feb. 26. While Zimmerman did call police to report Martin as suspicious, he continued to follow the teen, although the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow Martin.
Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun. The 17-year-old died just steps from the home of his father's fiancée, whom the pair had been visiting."
http://www.huliq.com/3257/national-neighborho...
Really Mr. Snider, it is your business and your choice, but it saddens me you seem to not have any compassion for Trayvon due to how he looks in his photos. Who knows, if you would have had the chance to get to know him in person, you and he might could have been good friends.
Compassion? Typical liberal remark from someone attempting to deflect a wholesale fraud is being pulled on America with a photo of a 12 year old kid instead of a 17 year old man that now dresses and looks like a thug in every recent photo there is of him.

If the media is going to be honest they should have posted a recent photo and not some child-like image of something he is not today.

Only a liberal would swallow this foolishness as they see things through happy-happy-rose-colred lenses and not in reality.

Look at Zimmerman's photos - they could have used an image of him in a tie and smiling yet in comparison to Trayvon they used one shortly after the beating in which he looks mean, unhappy, disheveled and tired. In short every photo of him has been less than flattering - yet you want to cry lack of compassion about fraudulent photos that paints the image you wish to project within your own mind.

You are seriously cracked and disillusioned.

This kid even reffed SCHOOL FIGHTS -- in short he is looking more and more like a punk than ever and not some innocent little child.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/did-tr...
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-2...

As Florida braced itself for what could be the biggest day of protest yet in the Trayvon Martin case, police revealed new details that depict the slain 17-year-old as the aggressor and appear to support George Zimmerman's claim that he was acting in self-defense when he shot the teenager....

Meanwhile, police have revealed new details surrounding the case that has captured national attention, reigniting the race debate in America.

The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that police sources say Martin was the aggressor on Feb. 26, knocking Zimmerman to the ground with a single punch and then climbing on top of the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain and slamming the back of his head into the ground. Police say this account, given by Zimmerman, is supported by eyewitnesses, according to the Sentinel's report.
One such witness reportedly told police that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, striking the man, while Zimmerman cried out for help. The attack left Zimmerman bloodied, police sources told the Sentinel, and led him to fire at Martin in self-defense.
Police say Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a fat lip and confirm that the back of his head was cut. He received first aid at the scene but refused to go to the hospital and received medical treatment the following day, according to the Sentinel's sources.

The Sentinel's story also makes public new details about the circumstances leading up to the deadly confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.

At the time, Martin was suspended from high school after he was found to be in possession of an empty marijuana baggie, according to the Sentinel. Martin's school has a "zero-tolerance" drug policy, the newspaper added.

Zimmerman was heading to the grocery store when he spotted Martin and called police to report a black youth acting suspiciously, possibly on drugs.

Zimmerman stepped out of his SUV to follow Martin, even though a police dispatcher told him he didn't need to do so.
Zimmerman told police he he'd lost sight of Martin and was heading back to his car when the youth suddenly stepped into his path. According to the Sentinel, Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cellphone. Martin then said something like, "Well, you do now" and punched him, according to the Sentinel's sources.

Oh yeah, Trayvon was a child....eating a lollipop riding on a dime-store rocking horse...lol

Go ahead a believe that one if you must but consider the fact a whole lot points to him being something far more dangerous with a very long history and involvement in violence and fighting...
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Apr 5, 2012
 
This is old news. Nothing new here. I don't see why you put this entire article on here. You might want to drown out everybody else with alot of words or something. And you must've got it mixed up. Trayvon Martin was not eating a lollipop. Trayvon Martin was carrying Skittles. And something else by National Center for Victims of Crime "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people that directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking."
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http://articles.orlandosentine l.com/2012-03-26/news/la-na-nn -trayvon-martin-case-20120326_ 1_police-dispatcher-new-detail s-protesters
As Florida braced itself for what could be the biggest day of protest yet in the Trayvon Martin case, police revealed new details that depict the slain 17-year-old as the aggressor and appear to support George Zimmerman's claim that he was acting in self-defense when he shot the teenager....
Meanwhile, police have revealed new details surrounding the case that has captured national attention, reigniting the race debate in America.
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that police sources say Martin was the aggressor on Feb. 26, knocking Zimmerman to the ground with a single punch and then climbing on top of the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain and slamming the back of his head into the ground. Police say this account, given by Zimmerman, is supported by eyewitnesses, according to the Sentinel's report.
One such witness reportedly told police that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, striking the man, while Zimmerman cried out for help. The attack left Zimmerman bloodied, police sources told the Sentinel, and led him to fire at Martin in self-defense.
Police say Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a fat lip and confirm that the back of his head was cut. He received first aid at the scene but refused to go to the hospital and received medical treatment the following day, according to the Sentinel's sources.
The Sentinel's story also makes public new details about the circumstances leading up to the deadly confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.
At the time, Martin was suspended from high school after he was found to be in possession of an empty marijuana baggie, according to the Sentinel. Martin's school has a "zero-tolerance" drug policy, the newspaper added.
Zimmerman was heading to the grocery store when he spotted Martin and called police to report a black youth acting suspiciously, possibly on drugs.
Zimmerman stepped out of his SUV to follow Martin, even though a police dispatcher told him he didn't need to do so.
Zimmerman told police he he'd lost sight of Martin and was heading back to his car when the youth suddenly stepped into his path. According to the Sentinel, Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cellphone. Martin then said something like, "Well, you do now" and punched him, according to the Sentinel's sources.
Oh yeah, Trayvon was a child....eating a lollipop riding on a dime-store rocking horse...lol
Go ahead a believe that one if you must but consider the fact a whole lot points to him being something far more dangerous with a very long history and involvement in violence and fighting...

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