Trayvon Martin Debate - El Paso, TX

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Leonard

United States

#375 Apr 12, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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You mean just like you are profiling Zimmerman here?
This is hypocricy at its best.
I'm not profiling anyone. I'm simply parroting what I see on the news, which I am frequently wont to do.

Since: Feb 12

United States

#376 Apr 12, 2012
Leonard wrote:
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I'm not profiling anyone. I'm simply parroting what I see on the news, which I am frequently wont to do.
That is just as bad.

You are convicting the guy prior to any evidence.

That is also a problem when the news has been shown to have altered the audio files to make this guy look bad and not correcting what they did.
They fired the guy that did it but never gave the same amount of import to the real tapes that they had the altered ones.
The news is playing the PC game and following the race baiters as usual.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#377 Apr 12, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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As for the Grand Jury you are right. I personally think that is a mistake. It indicates to me that she is afraid to present the case to the grand jury for fear of not getting an indictment. She is know for this and has done it repeatedly in the past to skirt the process when she can. That being said it is legal under Florida Law although 2nd Degree murder is a real stretch in my opinion.
Now as to the voice on the tape. That is still debateable. The voice analysis was done by a guy that was acquired by the prosecuter so not exactly unbiased. The tape was not of very good quality and the ability to state unequivocally that the vopice is Martins and not Zimmermans is extremely difficult.
As to the entire he was a big bad man that had attacked cops, that is pure propoganda put out there by the race baiting idiots that invaded the area. Yes he had been charged with assaulting a police officer in the past. The case also involved him being drunk, not really thuinking very straight. Then there is no mention of what type of assault was commited either. I am not sure if you are ware of it or not but by pulling your arm away from a cop you can be charged with assault. You can be charged with assault for bumping into the cop or pushing his hand away from you when he grabs you. There is no report of the cop being injured when that assault alledgedly took place so I am not putting much credence in that to show what a tough guy Zimmerman is.
There is eye witness testimony that put Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him and beating his head on the ground, all of which is substantiated by his injuries. The eye witness states that Zimmerman was the one being beaten and was the one calling for help. Keep in mind that the 911 tape of the screams was not from a phone directly at the scene it was basiaclly background noise on the phone of the eye witness.
Now we all know that eye witnesses can be wrong but Martin was not wearing a red shirt, Zimmerman was and the witness clearly states that the guy with the red shirt is on the bottom getting beat up.
This is not as black and white as some would like to have people think. The fact that Martins father lived there really is not an issue. Had Martin identified himself on first contact and not tried to get away from Zimmerman all of this may have been avoided.
I agree with most of that.

Though I truly doubt the eyewitness. I haven't seen a picture of the scene so I can't say who had a red shirt. As for initial contact Zimmerman didn't ask him who he was. The 911 transcript tells a different story.

As for voice analysis I'm just telling you what's reported. I don't trust any one, especially prosecutors, remember? haha

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#380 Apr 12, 2012
justice is just a choice wrote:
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I agree with most of that.
Though I truly doubt the eyewitness. I haven't seen a picture of the scene so I can't say who had a red shirt. As for initial contact Zimmerman didn't ask him who he was. The 911 transcript tells a different story.
As for voice analysis I'm just telling you what's reported. I don't trust any one, especially prosecutors, remember? haha
The red shirt was reported by the guy on the 911 call. He said the guy in the red shirt is on the ground being beaten by the other guy. The only one with a red shirt was Zimmerman.
We don't know if Zimmerman ever tried to ask him if he was supposed to be there or not. The 911 call was not the first thing that transpired. There could be any number of things that went on prior to the call.
Having worked in that arena previously I can suggest a possible scenario. Zimmerman sees this guy and for whatever reason thinks he looks out of place at that community. He starts to approach the guy to ask him what his business is there. The guy sees Zimmerman, gets nervous for whatever reason and starts to move away. Zimmerman starts to follow him to see what is up. At some point he calls 911 and continues to follow him. Eventually Zimmerman decides the guy is leaving and starts to return to his vehicle. Then Martin approaches Zimmerman and a scuffle ensues. Zimmerman is knocked to the ground, a third party is on the phone with 911 at that time. He reports that Zimmerman is on the ground and that Martin is on top beating him. At some point Zimmerman pulls his gun and shoots and Martin dies.
I am not saying that is exactly what happened as I do not know but having been in similar circumstances myself I can relate to what might have been going through Zimmerman's mind at the time.
As to the DA I know what you are saying and I think she is bowing to political pressure to try and quiet the rhetoric. That could be the reason for the 2nd degree murder charge because under Florida Law a 1st Degree murder charge must be presented to a Grand Jury.
Either way I will be happy when it gets to court and hope that the truth comes out there and a fair verdict is come to.
As we know and I am sure you can relate many things can be presented that may be a total fabrication, or a severely twisted presentation of the facts.

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#381 Apr 12, 2012
Armando Alvarez wrote:
He looks like a skin head killed a black kid. Its n now. Blacks against whites.
blacks against hispanics
Xymox

El Paso, TX

#383 Apr 12, 2012
Race Baiters wrote:
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Blacks hate everyone.
Blacks dislike themselves more than anyone else...
Blacks age 17-34 #1 cause of death = black on black murders.
For all that hate, isn't it ironic that your mom loves black d!ck so much.
anyway

Runnemede, NJ

#384 May 13, 2012
lol my cousin is a black hispanic and he had like 15 kids with this hispanic woman so they are quarter black..
anyway

Runnemede, NJ

#385 May 13, 2012
he looks just like zimmerman sept with more black features.. like negroish hair.. and yellower skin..

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#386 May 17, 2012
Seems that as more facts and evidence come to the surface Zimmerman's story hold up.
To the point

United States

#387 May 18, 2012
chief22 wrote:
Seems that as more facts and evidence come to the surface Zimmerman's story hold up.
Yep,
Another thug made the wrong choice.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#388 May 18, 2012
To the point wrote:
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Yep,
Another thug made the wrong choice.
You mean kind of like that punk kid throwing rocks at border patrol agent on the border here in ElPaso a couple years ago?

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#389 May 18, 2012
Whether his story holds or not it truly seems the facts are as such. He chased down Trayvon, got into an altercation and maybe Trayvon got the upperhand at which point Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot him.

So if the 911 transcript is complete Zimmerman did go after Trayvon and with that as fact then there is no self-defense because he initiated the confrontation.
To the point

United States

#390 May 18, 2012
justice is just a choice wrote:
Whether his story holds or not it truly seems the facts are as such. He chased down Trayvon, got into an altercation and maybe Trayvon got the upperhand at which point Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot him.
So if the 911 transcript is complete Zimmerman did go after Trayvon and with that as fact then there is no self-defense because he initiated the confrontation.
Read the statute, in Florida and Texas.

When the dust settles, and the ambulance chasing piranha discover they have no case,
Zimmerman walks.

Like others before him, Joe horn as example in Texas,
The race card didn't cut it.

Now this time, the joker is wild, and we have a racist, black Muslim political instigator adding his two cents...

If the instigator wants to further try to divide this nation, he will open his flapper again ...

But there are cronies to do his dirty work, legions of them.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#391 May 18, 2012
To the point wrote:
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Read the statute, in Florida and Texas.
When the dust settles, and the ambulance chasing piranha discover they have no case,
Zimmerman walks.
Like others before him, Joe horn as example in Texas,
The race card didn't cut it.
Now this time, the joker is wild, and we have a racist, black Muslim political instigator adding his two cents...
If the instigator wants to further try to divide this nation, he will open his flapper again ...
But there are cronies to do his dirty work, legions of them.
Please go through this thread it's already been discussed. Self-defense has to be justified. Where the claim fails is 1) Trayvon was a minor 2) Trayvon had a legal right to be on that property 3) Zimmerman initiated the confrontation

Perhaps you should read the statute(s) in full and not just the portions you want to fit your side of the argument.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#392 May 18, 2012
Sorry but trayvon was not little innocent kid. There is no proof that Zimmerman chased him down and instigated the altercation. The only thing that is said in the 911 audio is that he is following him not chasing him. Perhaps a subtle but ver distinct differenve. With him following Trayvon there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything more than that. There is no supporting evidence that Zimmerman ever attacked Trayvon only followed him. Now if following someone is grounds for that person to attack you then there is a problem here.
The only supporting evidence we have is the third party caller to 911 that stated that the guy in the red shirt, Zimmerman, was on the bottom and the other guy was beating him. This is reinforced with the medical report that matches. It is further supported by the fact that Trayvon was shot from a very close distance. This is all information that has come out.
Now like it or not the statute does not require anyone to run away. As a security person at that compound Zimmerman was fully authorized to observe anyone that was not known personaly to him and evaluate their behavior. This is all part of being a security officer. I have worked as a security officer in Texas and in Florida and am very familiar with the rules that govern them.
All that being said I still say that it is ultimately up to the courts to decide this and the interferance of outside agitaterslike Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk is only adding to a very unfortunate situation.
None of us were there so noneof us can say with any certainty what happened, but the evidence is starting to look more like it supports Zimmerman. We will just have to wait and see.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#393 May 18, 2012
UR BS wrote:
Sorry but trayvon was not little innocent kid. There is no proof that Zimmerman chased him down and instigated the altercation. The only thing that is said in the 911 audio is that he is following him not chasing him. Perhaps a subtle but ver distinct differenve. With him following Trayvon there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything more than that. There is no supporting evidence that Zimmerman ever attacked Trayvon only followed him. Now if following someone is grounds for that person to attack you then there is a problem here.
The only supporting evidence we have is the third party caller to 911 that stated that the guy in the red shirt, Zimmerman, was on the bottom and the other guy was beating him. This is reinforced with the medical report that matches. It is further supported by the fact that Trayvon was shot from a very close distance. This is all information that has come out.
Now like it or not the statute does not require anyone to run away. As a security person at that compound Zimmerman was fully authorized to observe anyone that was not known personaly to him and evaluate their behavior. This is all part of being a security officer. I have worked as a security officer in Texas and in Florida and am very familiar with the rules that govern them.
All that being said I still say that it is ultimately up to the courts to decide this and the interferance of outside agitaterslike Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk is only adding to a very unfortunate situation.
None of us were there so noneof us can say with any certainty what happened, but the evidence is starting to look more like it supports Zimmerman. We will just have to wait and see.
I agree about the evidence...oh wait...as you well know I don't trust prosecutors. hahaha

Anyway you're right I don't know, but I heard the 911 recording and Zimmerman was breathing a little hard. You don't sound like that if you're just following someone. It's one record Trayvon took of running, Zimmerman even states it himself and goes after him. After that it's not recorded so I really can't say, but truth is just as you said the law says you don't ahve to run and ith that as fact then Trayvon didn't have to run and with self-defense chose to stand his ground. He had every right to be within that community, that cannot be argued away.

If the attorneys present the facts. Trayvon was a minor. Trayvon had a residence within that community and establish that Zimmerman "followed" him then there won't be any self-defense for Zimmerman regardless of his head bashing.

I personally think that if anyone was really in the area and saw it happening somebody should've gone in to help. I would've, but that's me.
The last word

United States

#394 May 18, 2012
A good shooting is final.

ALL the evidence supports Zimmerman..

Get on with it.

Case closed

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#395 May 18, 2012
justice is just a choice wrote:
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I agree about the evidence...oh wait...as you well know I don't trust prosecutors. hahaha
Anyway you're right I don't know, but I heard the 911 recording and Zimmerman was breathing a little hard. You don't sound like that if you're just following someone. It's one record Trayvon took of running, Zimmerman even states it himself and goes after him. After that it's not recorded so I really can't say, but truth is just as you said the law says you don't ahve to run and ith that as fact then Trayvon didn't have to run and with self-defense chose to stand his ground. He had every right to be within that community, that cannot be argued away.
If the attorneys present the facts. Trayvon was a minor. Trayvon had a residence within that community and establish that Zimmerman "followed" him then there won't be any self-defense for Zimmerman regardless of his head bashing.
I personally think that if anyone was really in the area and saw it happening somebody should've gone in to help. I would've, but that's me.
Don't know I listened to the 911 call as well and I didn't hear zimmerman being out of breath but maybe he was. I also missed the part of trayvon running. I did hear zimmerman say he was following him but that is all for the courts to decide.
As to trayvon being a minor that is irrelevant. A 17 year old can kill you jst as dead as a 21 year old. Besides if trayvon being a minor is an issue then how come he was pounding zimmerman's head into the pavement and not the other way around?
The guiy that made the second 911 call stated clearly that it was zimmerman that was at a distinct disadvantage in the confrontation.
Either way it is for the courts to decide and I do understand your scepticisim.
My uninformed oinion puts zimmerman in the winning position but I could be wrong, God knows I have been wrong before.

“Freedom is never free”

Since: Jan 09

El Paso, Texas

#396 May 18, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Don't know I listened to the 911 call as well and I didn't hear zimmerman being out of breath but maybe he was. I also missed the part of trayvon running. I did hear zimmerman say he was following him but that is all for the courts to decide.
As to trayvon being a minor that is irrelevant. A 17 year old can kill you jst as dead as a 21 year old. Besides if trayvon being a minor is an issue then how come he was pounding zimmerman's head into the pavement and not the other way around?
The guiy that made the second 911 call stated clearly that it was zimmerman that was at a distinct disadvantage in the confrontation.
Either way it is for the courts to decide and I do understand your scepticisim.
My uninformed oinion puts zimmerman in the winning position but I could be wrong, God knows I have been wrong before.
Under the age of 18 makes him a minor. Most states consider 18 the age of majority. So Trayvon at 17 is a minor.

The 911 recording I heard, Zimmerman went "Oh $#!& he's running" and then you could hear phone noise and him breathing, not too heavy but did come across as running.

Besides the minor issue the major hurdle is Trayvon had a legal right to be within that community. So the protecting property is out the window because both of them can make that claim. Well Trayvon can't, but his lawyers should make that statement. Granted Zimmerman tried to portray the story as he was walking away and Trayvon jumped him. That may be true, granted if someone was following me and then they turned away I personally wouldn't go after them. That's what sounds questionable to me.

It's like Jurassic Park if every thing is running away why go towards whatever it is :-D
The last word

United States

#397 May 19, 2012
justice is just a choice wrote:
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Under the age of 18 makes him a minor. Most states consider 18 the age of majority. So Trayvon at 17 is a minor.
The 911 recording I heard, Zimmerman went "Oh $#!& he's running" and then you could hear phone noise and him breathing, not too heavy but did come across as running.
Besides the minor issue the major hurdle is Trayvon had a legal right to be within that community. So the protecting property is out the window because both of them can make that claim. Well Trayvon can't, but his lawyers should make that statement. Granted Zimmerman tried to portray the story as he was walking away and Trayvon jumped him. That may be true, granted if someone was following me and then they turned away I personally wouldn't go after them. That's what sounds questionable to me.
It's like Jurassic Park if every thing is running away why go towards whatever it is :-D
Age doesn't matter"......

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