Trayvon Martin Debate - Coffeyville, KS

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What's your reaction to the Trayvon Martin Case?

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Mar 31, 2012
 
we need more information.The video does show right after he gets out of the car a policeman looking at the back of his head as if he had an injure there.
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Mar 31, 2012
 
For everyone who has condemned the numerous protests, rallies and vigils demanding justice for Trayvon Benjamin Martin, the 17-year-old gunned down in Sanford, Fla., a month ago

I don’t want to hear the nonsense that we should let justice run its course. Others say,“Let’s not do anything until all of the facts are in.”

There would be no special prosecutor had thousands across the nation not mobilized, organized and took to the streets to demand justice for Trayvon. Would a grand jury be convening April 10? Not a chance. Would the 911 recording of admitted triggerman George Zimmerman calling Trayvon suspicious and owning up to following him have been released? No. Would the Florida Legislature be reviewing and discussing whether to change or abandon the controversial “stand your ground” law, which is at the heart of this case? No. Would the Department of Justice have launched an investigation into the case, as well as the Sanford Police Department? Nope. Would Sanford’s police chief, Bill Lee, have stepped down because of his department’s inept investigation? No.

Instead of critics condemning the protests, they should be saying,“Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!”

Whether folks want to admit it or not, this always has been the story of African-Americans. Go through history and you will find many examples of cases not being investigated and ones, if they were brought to trial, with atrocious conduct by the prosecution or even the judges. The Scottsboro Boys. Clarence Brandley. Lenell Geter. Medgar Evers. The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.

Justice is supposed to be blind, but for African-Americans, it has commonly been deaf, dumb and blind.

As a result, we’ve had to live by the admonition of former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass, who said,“Agitate! Agitate! Agitate!”
It was also Douglass who stated,“Power concedes nothing without a demand.”

The main demand in the Trayvon Martin case from day one was for Zimmerman to be arrested and for justice to be served.

This wasn’t about a ridiculous bounty on the head of Zimmerman by the New Black Panther Party. It wasn’t about the selling of T-shirts. It wasn’t about who showed up and led a march or why.

It was about holding accountable a legal system that clearly gave more credence to a 28-year-old gunman than it did the unarmed teenager who was gunned down.

For all of our talk about law and order in this country, there is a lot that is wrong with our legal system. We all should feel ashamed when someone is freed from death row or life imprisonment after DNA testing has revealed him or her not to be the real killer or rapist. It should pain our heart when the prosecution withholds evidence in a case that could exonerate someone. And all of us, regardless of race or economic status, should scream to high heaven when the police don’t do their job equally for all citizens.

We are a nation of laws, and sometimes they work for some and not for others. When we’ve prayed, cried and pleaded, oftentimes the only thing we have left to do is march. That is a right that is afforded every one of us in the U.S. Constitution, be it the tea party, Occupy or those demanding justice for Trayvon.

People should not be condemned for taking to the streets and letting their voices be heard. They shouldn’t be called race baiters, rabble-rousers or radicals. We all should call them exactly what they are — true Americans.

by Roland Martin
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Mar 31, 2012
 
Change.org has the following petition which was presented by the parents of Trayvon Martin. So far, 2,220,215 people have signed this petition online.
On February 26, our son Trayvon Martin was shot and killed as he walked to a family member's home from a convenience store where he had just bought some candy. He was only 17 years-old.

Trayvon's killer, George Zimmerman, admitted to police that he shot Trayvon in the chest. Zimmerman, the community's self appointed "neighborhood watch leader," called the police to report a suspicious person when he saw Travyon, a young black man, walking from the store. But Zimmerman still hasn't been charged for murdering our son.

Trayvon was our hero. At the age 9, Trayvon pulled his father from a burning kitchen, saving his life. He loved sports and horseback riding. At only 17 he had a bright future ahead of him with dreams of attending college and becoming an aviation mechanic. Now that’s all gone.

When Zimmerman reported Trayvon to the police, they told him not to confront him. But he did anyway. All we know about what happened next is that our 17 year-old son, who was completely unarmed, was shot and killed.

It's been nearly two weeks and the Sanford Police have refused to arrest George Zimmerman. In their public statements, they even go so far as to stand up for the killer - saying he's "a college grad" who took a class in criminal justice.

Please join us in calling on Angela Corey, Florida's 4th District State's Attorney, to investigate my son's murder and prosecute George Zimmerman for the shooting and killing of Trayvon Martin."
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Mar 31, 2012
 
The big thing that pisses me off is African american not American african. I thought we were Americans first.

No I am not raciest I am an American African.

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Mar 31, 2012
 
Pup wrote:
The big thing that pisses me off is African american not American african. I thought we were Americans first.
No I am not raciest I am an American African.
No. You are a native born American first, and last. You still have your heritage, and should always be proud of those who came before you, and the sacrifices they made. But, you, and I are Americans first, and last.
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Mar 31, 2012
 
Well pup it does not take much to piss you off does it? Seems to me things are just not like you want them to be and you will just remain pissed off.
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Mar 31, 2012
 
If I was not white I would be pissed at whites.

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Mar 31, 2012
 
Frendof wrote:
If I was not white I would be pissed at whites.
Why? If whites protested black on white crime there would always be protests. But that is just not politically correct. Black on Black crime is more prevalent than white on black crime. No story there. Black on white crime is more prevalent than white on black crime. No story there either.

I think George Zimmerman shot trayvon and he did it not in self defense, but because TYrayvon was attemptiong to defend himself and Zimmerman found he had bit off more than he could chew. Zimmerman at the very least should have been arrested, and the shooting investigated more intensely.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are nothing more than race baiters always out front in a white on black deal while remeining silent on black on white crime, or even black on black.
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Apr 1, 2012
 
Why should I be pissed at whites?
I am in my late 50s.I grew up in the 50s and 60s for the most parts we were treated fairly.I went to public schools right here in Coffeyville never had any problems.My father worked for more than minimum wage.I had friends of all races went to school functions.I think I was called the N word 2 times.
I know that there were slaves way back in my family but I never knew them they were already passed on by the time I was born.Yes I feel sorry for them but if it had not been for them being slaves here I might not have been born.One more thing if they had not been brought here as slaves I sure would not been here in the U.S.A.. Which I am proud to be an American.
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Apr 2, 2012
 
CNN - Screams recorded on a 911 call during the confrontation that ended in Florida teenager Trayvon Martin's death don't seem to be those of neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, two audio experts who analyzed the recordings said Monday.

Zimmerman, 28, has claimed self-defense in shooting Martin on February 26, saying the 17-year-old accosted him after he had called police to report the teenager as a suspicious person walking around his neighborhood.

But audio experts Tom Owen and Ed Primeau, who analyzed the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel using different techniques, said they don't believe it's Zimmerman who can be heard screaming in the background of the 911 calls.

"There's a huge chance that this is not Zimmerman's voice," said Primeau, a longtime audio engineer who is listed as an expert in recorded evidence by the American College of Forensic Examiners International. "As a matter of fact, after 28 years of doing this, I would put my reputation on the line and say this is, a forensic audio analyst who is also chairman emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence, said he also does not believe the screams come from Zimmerman.

Software frequently used to analyze voices in legal cases shows a 48% likelihood that the voice is Zimmerman's. At least 60% is necessary to feel confident that two samples are from the same source, he said Monday on CNN. That means it's unlikely the screams came from Zimmerman, Owen said.

Both experts stressed they cannot say who was screaming. They have no samples of Martin's voice.

Zimmerman has told police that he was screaming for help. not George Zimmerman screaming."

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Apr 3, 2012
 
Another View wrote:
For everyone who has condemned the numerous protests, rallies and vigils demanding justice for Trayvon Benjamin Martin, the 17-year-old gunned down in Sanford, Fla., a month ago
I don’t want to hear the nonsense that we should let justice run its course. Others say,“Let’s not do anything until all of the facts are in.”
OK that is all well and good BUT where was the support of the BLACK people when a white eldery couple in Tulsa was attacked in a home invasion. The woman was raped and died the man was beaten. The people that did this were black. Why was their no outrage over this crime??? Why, because the people were white. Let the white public get up in arms about some of these crimes that are commited by blacks and the press would not show up and most likely there would be arrests of the white folks. This in nothing more than the press wanting to start a race war so they will have something to write about.
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Apr 3, 2012
 
If caught the person that raped the elderly women would have been arrested. It is causing a stir because with the apparent evidence and sketchy actions of Zimmerman many wonder why he was taken on his word of self defense and let go. It is sad it has turned into a media event with race involved but someone has to hold these horrible cops accountable. Kinda like we should hold our local justice system accountable for giving no punishment to a couple that stole 500000 of our taxpayer money.

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Petition wrote:
Change.org has the following petition which was presented by the parents of Trayvon Martin. So far, 2,220,215 people have signed this petition online.
On February 26, our son Trayvon Martin was shot and killed as he walked to a family member's home from a convenience store where he had just bought some candy. He was only 17 years-old.
Trayvon's killer, George Zimmerman, admitted to police that he shot Trayvon in the chest. Zimmerman, the community's self appointed "neighborhood watch leader," called the police to report a suspicious person when he saw Travyon, a young black man, walking from the store. But Zimmerman still hasn't been charged for murdering our son.
Trayvon was our hero. At the age 9, Trayvon pulled his father from a burning kitchen, saving his life. He loved sports and horseback riding. At only 17 he had a bright future ahead of him with dreams of attending college and becoming an aviation mechanic. Now that’s all gone.
When Zimmerman reported Trayvon to the police, they told him not to confront him. But he did anyway. All we know about what happened next is that our 17 year-old son, who was completely unarmed, was shot and killed.
It's been nearly two weeks and the Sanford Police have refused to arrest George Zimmerman. In their public statements, they even go so far as to stand up for the killer - saying he's "a college grad" who took a class in criminal justice.
Please join us in calling on Angela Corey, Florida's 4th District State's Attorney, to investigate my son's murder and prosecute George Zimmerman for the shooting and killing of Trayvon Martin."
New enhanced video from the Police Dept. clearly show a knot on the back of George Zimmermam's head it's actually split open. Do any of you realize how hard you would have to slam someones head onto a concrete sidewalk in order to cause this type of injury!?! REALLY... Trayvon was trying to kill George Zimmerman. Odd reaction to following someone. This kid had something to hide or he wouldn't have run, and then tried to kill George Zimmerman for following him. An eye witness has backed up Mr. Zimmerman's account of the incidents of that night. Sorry AL, Jessie, Barack, The fat lady is indeed singing... No one protested in the streets across this country when a Black man busted into a Dr's home in Nowata,OK. approx. 25 years ago and tied him up in a chair and made him watch as he man repeatedly raped his wife...
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Apr 3, 2012
 
^^^^^^.o yeah? In the end what happen to that black man? Point is justice is suppose to be fair for everyone. You can't pick and choose who should go to jail! All black people want is fairness about the situation.
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Apr 3, 2012
 
The Sultan of Swing wrote:
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New enhanced video from the Police Dept. clearly show a knot on the back of George Zimmermam's head it's actually split open. Do any of you realize how hard you would have to slam someones head onto a concrete sidewalk in order to cause this type of injury!?! REALLY... Trayvon was trying to kill George Zimmerman.
Need more evidence than that to make this conclusion. Rush to judgement. Irresponsible.

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New enhanced video from the Police Dept. clearly show a knot on the back of George Zimmermam's head it's actually split open. Do any of you realize how hard you would have to slam someones head onto a concrete sidewalk in order to cause this type of injury!?! REALLY... Trayvon was trying to kill George Zimmerman. Odd reaction to following someone. This kid had something to hide or he wouldn't have run, and then tried to kill George Zimmerman for following him. An eye witness has backed up Mr. Zimmerman's account of the incidents of that night. Sorry AL, Jessie, Barack, The fat lady is indeed singing... No one protested in the streets across this country when a Black man busted into a Dr's home in Nowata,OK. approx. 25 years ago and tied him up in a chair and made him watch as he man repeatedly raped his wife...
You are making an assumption that Trayvon was not fighting for his life.. A fight he lost. All we have is Zimmermans story, and part of that story is that he followed Trayvon, he approached Trayvon. We don't know if he flashed or pointed his weapon, we don't know what he said, or what he did. Trayvon is not here to tell his side.

. You are making the assumption that Trayvon jumped him for no reason other than to beat him up. I'd need somebody to point out a reason Trayvon would have had to jump him.

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^^^^^^.o yeah? In the end what happen to that black man? Point is justice is suppose to be fair for everyone. You can't pick and choose who should go to jail! All black people want is fairness about the situation.
Bull

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<quoted text>You are making an assumption that Trayvon was not fighting for his life.. A fight he lost. All we have is Zimmermans story, and part of that story is that he followed Trayvon, he approached Trayvon. We don't know if he flashed or pointed his weapon, we don't know what he said, or what he did. Trayvon is not here to tell his side.
. You are making the assumption that Trayvon jumped him for no reason other than to beat him up. I'd need somebody to point out a reason Trayvon would have had to jump him.
Untrue get your facts straight. There was at least one witness to back up Mr. immerman's account of what happened that night.

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<quoted text>You are making an assumption that Trayvon was not fighting for his life.. A fight he lost. All we have is Zimmermans story, and part of that story is that he followed Trayvon, he approached Trayvon. We don't know if he flashed or pointed his weapon, we don't know what he said, or what he did. Trayvon is not here to tell his side.
. You are making the assumption that Trayvon jumped him for no reason other than to beat him up. I'd need somebody to point out a reason Trayvon would have had to jump him.
Really, because if you are on top of a man in a fight slamming his head onto a concrete sidewalk it would appear that you are winning the fight. Trayvon is dead because he couldn't be the bigger person and tell this man where he was going, and where he had been, and what he was doing. Talking goes along way. No instead he ran like a he was guilty of something. When Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow/pursue him he freaked and started beating Mr. Zimmerman. Have you seen the "enhanced" police video? Mr. Zimmerman has a goose egg that is split wide open. Consitant with the account hat Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the sidewalk... Can you say attempted murder... Sure you can.
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Apr 3, 2012
 
Let's not forget zimmerman was stalking a minor. Later the teenager ended up dead. 150 pound teenager probably would stand a chance in a fight with 28 year old 200 plus pound man. Anybody can say what they want but if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be an argument. A blavlck man would have been locked up with no ???? asked.

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