Trayvon Martin Debate - Alamogordo, NM

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What's your reaction to the Trayvon Martin Case?

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“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#288 Apr 25, 2012
Chaos Undercover wrote:
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How bout he hangs up with his girlfrind and calls the police himself and tell them that some freak is following him. Again not defending Zimmermann, just sayin. But as I mentioned before Zimmermann may have killed two birds with one stone. By killing Martin, he takes a thug off the streets (and if you think Martin was some innocent schoolboy you wrong) and also takes himself off the streets to prison cuz hes a thug too.
What evidence do you have that Martin was a thug? Please share

“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#289 Apr 25, 2012
BarbMoore wrote:
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What evidence do you have that Martin was a thug? Please share
Being suspended from school, being caught in possestion of drugs, oh and some of the pictures that have surfaced of him, in pure thug clothing. Working in a prison I can tell just by looking at them. 5 years of watchng thugs give a person a trained eye. Martins future had prison written all over it, now did he deserve to get murdered (if thats what it was). No! Just saying if it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck!

“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#290 Apr 25, 2012
Chaos Undercover wrote:
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Being suspended from school, being caught in possestion of drugs, oh and some of the pictures that have surfaced of him, in pure thug clothing. Working in a prison I can tell just by looking at them. 5 years of watchng thugs give a person a trained eye. Martins future had prison written all over it, now did he deserve to get murdered (if thats what it was). No! Just saying if it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck!
You're kidding right? Because of the way he's dressed? That's how kids dress nowdays. My son wears a hoodie, and Nike's that he never ties. He is far from a thug and shouldn't be judged by the way he's dressed.
You have children. You want someone to say your kid is a retard because he looks like one to the "trained" eye.

“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#291 Apr 25, 2012
BarbMoore wrote:
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You're kidding right? Because of the way he's dressed? That's how kids dress nowdays. My son wears a hoodie, and Nike's that he never ties. He is far from a thug and shouldn't be judged by the way he's dressed.
You have children. You want someone to say your kid is a retard because he looks like one to the "trained" eye.
I am not talking about the hoodie and untied Nikes. I am talking about the gang signs and other gestures. And dont forget the "body" language. Again I am not defending Zimmermann. If proven not self defense I hope he gets the max. The media painting Martin as some innocent school boy, which he wasnt, is what is causing most of the outrage. Just think how different it would ahve been if the media would have released a photo with Martin flashing a gang sign, or flipping the bird and not released Zimmermanns mug shot but instead released him in a suit. Do you think public opion would be different?
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Alamogordo, NM

#292 Apr 25, 2012
Chaos Undercover wrote:
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I am not talking about the hoodie and untied Nikes. I am talking about the gang signs and other gestures. And dont forget the "body" language. Again I am not defending Zimmermann. If proven not self defense I hope he gets the max. The media painting Martin as some innocent school boy, which he wasnt, is what is causing most of the outrage. Just think how different it would ahve been if the media would have released a photo with Martin flashing a gang sign, or flipping the bird and not released Zimmermanns mug shot but instead released him in a suit. Do you think public opion would be different?
Your kids are young. I tell you, when they become teens, they will flip the bird. They think it's cool when they're with their friends. Just pray nothing ever happens to your sons because someone will judge them one day too. Hopefully that person that judges them won't be armed.

“FREEDOM OF THOUGHT”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#293 Apr 25, 2012
Michael Morris wrote:
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No, the fact is you are a liar and a pathetic one at that. It seems strange that you could read through my posts closely enough to form such an opinion yet are unable to produce an example. Good work there Gump.
You're just mad because I think you're a clown, I read your posts I could find no facts in them nothing but pure speculation and some outright lies as well as a lot of me myself and I garbage.

Tell me clown did you do the google earth and do the measurements or was that just so much bluster?

“STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD”

Since: May 11

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#294 Apr 26, 2012
Michael Morris wrote:
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Perhaps you could point to the precise language I used that led you to believe that I said he could not testify. You seem to lack basic comprehension skills. I said if he doesn't testify he will spend at least most of his life in prison. How you screwed that up is above my pay grade.
Which statement? He gave no less than 5. They all seem to contradict each other. That whole missing time thing. And while he does not have the burden of proof he does have the burden of production. He has to offer at least some evidence of self defense to even get a jury instruction. The state need only prove that it was not self defense. The only evidence of self defense is Zimmerman's words and he has contradicted himself on at least 4 material facts.
You have the right to your opinion, but you also have some responsibility to understand what you are talking about. The fact that you reference only a single statement obviates the need to consider the depth of your knowledge.
Here you go..."You need to read up on affirmative defenses. Zimmerman is not going to be compelled to testify against himself. He is choosing to present an affirmative defense of justified use of deadly force."

Now let me explain something to you because you FAIL to comprehend. Just because a defendant is going to use a specific justification for their defense does not mean that they can't or won't testify. They have nothing to do with each other.

"He has to offer at least some evidence of self defense to even get a jury instruction."

Both the prosecution and the defense have to meet the burden of production, it isn't one sided like you suggest. It's called prima facie. Determining whether a party has satisfied its burden of production is not an issue of fact for the jury; it is an issue of law.

"Which statement? He gave no less than 5."....exactly and that's what the prosecution is going to go after, But Zimmerman do not need to testify at all. It's up to the state to provide the burden of proof, not the defendant.

So keep reading up. you will get there sooner or later

“You cant handle the truth”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#295 Apr 26, 2012
Ummmm yeah. It is better than going back to confront them. At least then they will have to try and get into my house while i am busy calling the police or arming myself. So yes really. In this case if Trayvon had done just that he would still be alive today. Instead he had to go back and alledgedly confront Zimmerman and punch him in the nose and pound his head into a concrete sidewalk.
BarbMoore wrote:
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Someone is following you and you're going to lead them back to your house? Really??

“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#296 Apr 26, 2012
alamo_airforce wrote:
Ummmm yeah. It is better than going back to confront them. At least then they will have to try and get into my house while i am busy calling the police or arming myself. So yes really. In this case if Trayvon had done just that he would still be alive today. Instead he had to go back and alledgedly confront Zimmerman and punch him in the nose and pound his head into a concrete sidewalk.
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And you have children. You are even more foolish than I orginally thought.
BTW, if Zimmerman was so beat up, why no bandages when he was arrested that night?

“You cant handle the truth”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#297 Apr 26, 2012
I dont know ask the medical personel who treated and cleaned him up. However i have had my nose broken 4 times and never once was it bandaged or did it bleed. Also some wounds will bleed like hell but all it requires is direct pressure to stop the flow of blood.

The fact that no bandages were seen does not mean he still did not feel threatened to the point he was in fear of his life. Ohh i am foolish because i would choose to take refuge in my house where i have ways to defend myself and it would make it hardr for whoever was following me to gain access to myself and my family.

Barb wehave not debated in a long time if you want to start throwing insults instead of debating in a civil manner we can most certainly go there once again if you wish.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-20/ne...
BarbMoore wrote:
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And you have children. You are even more foolish than I orginally thought.
BTW, if Zimmerman was so beat up, why no bandages when he was arrested that night?

“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#298 Apr 26, 2012
alamo_airforce wrote:
I dont know ask the medical personel who treated and cleaned him up. However i have had my nose broken 4 times and never once was it bandaged or did it bleed. Also some wounds will bleed like hell but all it requires is direct pressure to stop the flow of blood.
The fact that no bandages were seen does not mean he still did not feel threatened to the point he was in fear of his life. Ohh i am foolish because i would choose to take refuge in my house where i have ways to defend myself and it would make it hardr for whoever was following me to gain access to myself and my family.
Barb wehave not debated in a long time if you want to start throwing insults instead of debating in a civil manner we can most certainly go there once again if you wish.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-20/ne...
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How do you know that's even Zimmerman in the photo? He was not bleeding from the head or have his head bandaged when he was arrested. I'm not talking about the nose. The only thing you can do with a bloody nose is to pack it, not bandage it.

I only threw out the insult because if you would lead a complete stranger back to your house where your wife and children live, you don't have very much sense unless you enjoy putting your family in possible danger.

“You cant handle the truth”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#299 Apr 26, 2012
He was not bleeding from the head or bandaged because the medical personel cleaned him up before he was brought in. Real photo or not it is not for me to decide it is for the courts to decide.
BarbMoore wrote:
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How do you know that's even Zimmerman in the photo? He was not bleeding from the head or have his head bandaged when he was arrested. I'm not talking about the nose. The only thing you can do with a bloody nose is to pack it, not bandage it.
I only threw out the insult because if you would lead a complete stranger back to your house where your wife and children live, you don't have very much sense unless you enjoy putting your family in possible danger.

“You cant handle the truth”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#300 Apr 26, 2012
Could it have been the circumstances leading up to Trayvon that caused the shooting to occur.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/think-you-kno...

“Navy veteran. ”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#301 Apr 26, 2012
BarbMoore wrote:
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What evidence do you have that Martin was a thug? Please share
Do not forget he was caught tagging school property and in possession of stolen jewelry and a burglary tool. And lets not forget he was suspend from school. If he had been a good student and not in trouble he would not have been shot by Zimmerman.

“STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#302 Apr 26, 2012
BarbMoore wrote:
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How do you know that's even Zimmerman in the photo? He was not bleeding from the head or have his head bandaged when he was arrested. I'm not talking about the nose. The only thing you can do with a bloody nose is to pack it, not bandage it.
I only threw out the insult because if you would lead a complete stranger back to your house where your wife and children live, you don't have very much sense unless you enjoy putting your family in possible danger.
He was treated at the scene by EMS and then the determination was made that he could be transported to the PD via police vehicle. That ship has sailed and gone already.
Zimmerman

High Rolls Mountain Park, NM

#303 Apr 26, 2012
US Navy wrote:
<quoted text>If he had been a good student and not in trouble he would not have been shot by Zimmerman.
yes. that is exactly why I shot him. I am going to call you as a defense witness. I was going to wax all the bad students in FLA but only got one. my bad.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#304 Apr 26, 2012
alamo_airforce wrote:
Ummmm yeah. It is better than going back to confront them. At least then they will have to try and get into my house while i am busy calling the police or arming myself. So yes really. In this case if Trayvon had done just that he would still be alive today. Instead he had to go back and alledgedly confront Zimmerman and punch him in the nose and pound his head into a concrete sidewalk.
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And if Zimmerman would have gone on and attended to his business since he didn't see that Travon was doing anything other than eating Skiddles and drinking tea, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmie not facing conviction.
Kirk

Chesapeake, VA

#305 Apr 26, 2012
how can it be racial? When the blacks thought it was a WHITE guy that killed him they were all up in arms ready to throw the guy under a bus....but...not that the guy who killed him is HISPANIC they have shut the hell up? Who is really the race that holds onto the race card so tightly? Hmmm...think we know the answer to that one.

Didn't you all know...that white people are the only ones that can be called racist? Shheeesh people get with the times. What about Al sharpton and that fool jessie jackson? They only pop off their stupid mouths when they "think" they know what the hell they are talking about when a crime is commited...white on black crime that is. When there are 1000's of cases each day were some dumb black thugs robs/kills/rapes some innocent white person and yet they wont come on TV and try to defend their "black brother"...why is that...oh yeah that's right...BECAUSE THEY ARE MILITANT RACIST PRICKS.

Martin got what he deserved. He was looking suspect in an area he didn't belong...an area that was under a watch because of recent criminal activity...which we all know he was involved in. He didn't respond to someone telling him to "stop"....why not? BECAUSE HE IS SUSPECT !!! He fought the guy, hit him first. The guy was defending himself from some thug in his neighborhood who didn't belong there in the first place. The damn media keeps showing martin as a kid in the damn pictures...HELLO PEOPLE...he was over 6 feet tall and 200lbs. That is man size and he fought like a man. Act like a man and get delt with like a man by a man. Screw that damn kid, he got what was coming to him. Maybe if more people stood up for the areas they live in these dope slinging ghetto rat kids would keep to their own "hoods" and leave us decent folks alone.

“You cant handle the truth”

Since: Jun 09

United States

#306 Apr 26, 2012
Did you not read post 300? Zimmerman was attending to his bussiness. Neighborhood watch captain calling in a suspicious person in a gated community which had recently had a history of break ins happening. Read post 300 it will explain it.
Don5163 wrote:
<quoted text>And if Zimmerman would have gone on and attended to his business since he didn't see that Travon was doing anything other than eating Skiddles and drinking tea, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmie not facing conviction.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#307 Apr 26, 2012
alamo_airforce wrote:
Did you not read post 300? Zimmerman was attending to his bussiness. Neighborhood watch captain calling in a suspicious person in a gated community which had recently had a history of break ins happening. Read post 300 it will explain it.
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Zimmerman was advised by the police dispatcher not to follow the young man. He did, and he screwed up. That seems to me to be quite significant as far as putting Zimmie in jail for murder.

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