Ryan Medicare Plan Debate - Washington, DC

We need a single payer healthcare system if we,re desperate to save money, The current healthcare system is broken and corrupt! Why can,t we change it instead?, If we just changed to a single payer system we could save more then enough money then cutting Medicare ever would!,,

Because it's really a thinly veiled effort at eventually privatizing Medicare, which would not bode well for the elderly, least of all the poor elderly.

I believe the plan would destroy Medicare as we know it, turning it into to a worthless voucher system.

As we know it, what does that mean, have you checked into what is left of medicare, they will be running on empty in 2024. 12 and half years goes very fast. Well we won't have to worry about any plan to save medicare because if nothing is done, there will be zilch or zero either way you slice it. And that is my definition of worthless unlike yours.

Rob wrote:

I believe the plan would destroy Medicare as we know it, turning it into to a worthless voucher system.

Rob wrote:

I believe the plan would destroy Medicare as we know it, turning it into to a worthless voucher system.

Obamacare cuts Medicare by 500 billion dollars. Does that destroy it? Where's grandma being thrown off of the cliff on that one.

if people would get their heads out of the sand and just READ the plan - they might also support Ryan - the ONLY couragious person out there.

The stinking republicans need to dust off their bibles and read Prob 22v16 To learn their fate, Prov. 22v 16:He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches,And he that giveth to the rich shall surely come to want,So good buy stupid GOP!, if there is a god you,re days as a party are numbered!

Give to the rich GD sec!!!

Before he died in an ineptly performed 'suicide,' the young journalist Danny Casolaro was working on a book that he claimed tied together many of the 'gates' and 'miniscandals' surrounding the Bush presidency. The book identified the web which tied all the scandals together as the "Octopus," a mythical creature with tentacles stretching everywhere. Perhaps the birth of the Octopus lies in the 1980 Presidential election; and its growth occurred under the eight years of the Reagan presidency. Casolaro soon found that the Octopus may have consisted of a 'shadow government' apparatus that went back even further than Bush and Reagan. But what's left of his notes seem primarily to focus on events in the 80s and 90s.
It is very possible that in 1980, Bill Casey and other members of the Reagan team may have conspired with the Iranians to delay the release of the American hostages: they were afraid of an "October Surprise" which might damage Reagan's chances of defeating Carter. Sure enough, the hostages were released right as Reagan was being inaugurated, and in 1981, the first shipment of arms to Iran began. Gunther Rossbacher, an ex-Navy pilot, and two other foreign sources, insist that on October 21st and 22nd, Bush met with Iranian delegates in Paris. The "October Surprise" may have been how Bush and other Reagan team members located the Iranian 'moderates' that played a role in the Iran-Contra scandal. In 1984, the Boland amendment forbade any more military assistance to the Contras. So, in 1985, the underground "Enterprise" - Operation Yellowfruit - began selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to furnish weapons to the Contras. George Bush claims Iran-Contra has nothing to do with him, but other administration figures' records show he was at the secret meetings - Poindexter, in particular. Amiram Nir, an Israeli terrorism expert, insists he discussed Iranian arms deals with Bush, but that can't be confirmed... he died in a mysterious plane crash in Mexico in 1988.
http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/octopus.html http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusem ... http://www.puppetgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ...
I guess you think some one else is buried in Grants Tomb and we never landed on the moon.
http://www.frankolsonproject.org/ While aides to Gerald Ford, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney helped cover up the background to the death of CIA scientist, Frank Olson who fell from a 10th floor window in 1953, not long after he had been classified as a potential security risk.

Olson's son Eric says his father's conscience was troubled by awareness of Nazi-style CIA experiments on human subjects.

Kathryn Olmsted, University of California-Davis history professor, recently discovered files at the Gerald Ford library that showed White House officials deliberately withheld details of Olson's death from his family.

They included a memo from Dick Cheney, who was a White House assistant at the time, to Donald Rumsfeld, the chief of staff, on July 11, 1975. That memo warned that a lawsuit by Olson's family might make it necessary "to disclose highly classified national-security information.''

http://parapolitics.blogspot.com/2005/08/flas ... You tell me!

I do not support cuts when the debt problems were unrelated to these programs; they are more directly related to three recent wars without tax increases to pay for them and 2 Trillion dollars the Military could not account for - 2 Trillion lost. If the debt were reduced by this amount the nation would be healthy fiscally. Cuts in Military and raising taxes on higher income earners who have not produced jobs as promised is a fair solution not balancing the debt on the backs of the retired, poor and unemployed.

Current system will end Medicare as we know it.