Ryan Medicare Plan Debate - Minneapolis, MN

BigBalls wrote:

ok so MEDICARE is doing SO WELL but yet none of the Dems have a single f-ing plan to help it along.
It will be BROKE you fools unless something DRASTIC is done sometime soon. B R O K E you f-ing moron.
When GOVERNMENT runs something..... IT GOES BROKE and WORSE......but you are not smart enough to remember or realize that. So bad for you.

genej101 wrote:

I do NOT support all cuts and tax increases for Ryan's billionaire friends. Cuts for the middle class, increases for the top 2%, national health care are the answers. Not more of the failed policies of Reagan, Bush and Bush lite.

ImCold wrote:

There are times that require doing the RIGHT thing even though it hurts. Things like this wouldn't be necessary if our government could learn to do what they preach to us.. live within your means.. right Obama.

ImCold wrote:

There are times that require doing the RIGHT thing even though it hurts. Things like this wouldn't be necessary if our government could learn to do what they preach to us.. live within your means.. right Obama.

Path of Reason wrote:

Reform is coming. We can do it on our own terms or we can do it under the pressure of a government financial crisis. Ryan is simply dealing with reality, not continued denial.

Snake Dr wrote:

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why the tax cut then?? why not just use the savings to lower the debt??

Path of Reason wrote:

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It still isn't enough. You can take all of the income of the people in the cross hairs and we'd still have an unsustainable deficit. It simply isn't possible to avoid entitlement reform. Truth is, Ryan didn't go far enough. His plan leaves everyone 55 and up untouched. That's grossly unfair to younger people.
Now that the ponzi scheme is obvious and that 100% certain, promises will be broken, it's time that everyone in the program share some of the disappointment. Benefit adjustments should start immediately.

BigBalls wrote:

ok so MEDICARE is doing SO WELL but yet none of the Dems have a single f-ing plan to help it along.
It will be BROKE you fools unless something DRASTIC is done sometime soon. B R O K E you f-ing moron.
When GOVERNMENT runs something..... IT GOES BROKE and WORSE......but you are not smart enough to remember or realize that. So bad for you.

Darwinian wrote:

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The reason medicare is in trouble is because of the rising cost of health care, which is outstripping inflation. The Democrats have, in fact, enacted a plan which will rein in the rising costs of health care - it is called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Darwinian wrote:

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The reason medicare is in trouble is because of the rising cost of health care, which is outstripping inflation. The Democrats have, in fact, enacted a plan which will rein in the rising costs of health care - it is called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Path of Reason wrote:

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No, it won't. Price controls mean nothing. The only ways available to control healthcare inflation are 1) Curb demand; 2) Expand supply; 3) Increase competition. Obamacare does none of this. It promises more services to more people and gives people fewer reasons to care about costs, so 1 ain't happening. 2 is out as well. Price controls make life worse for doctors and capital providers. Smart 10th graders will soon figure out that aspiring to be a doctor is a dumb idea. 3 isn't happening as we transition to fewer choices and more government control.
And after naming the law, the Democrats might just as well have gotten in a circle and clicked their heels three times. Both are equally effective in controlling healthcare costs and protecting patients. If Congress really was that good at making dreams come true, they should've just jumped ahead and outlawed cancer. Yeah, I got it. Make it the Patient Protection, Affordable Care and No More Cancer Act. LOL.

Snake Dr wrote:

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doing the right thing is giving the wealthy another tax cut and in order to afford this tax cut we get to end medi care. please think for yourself.

Don Joe wrote:

Ryan's plan ends Medicare. It's like saying you get a 25 cent coupon on your next new car purchase. It is completely worthless. Ryan's plan ends Medicare and pushes old people on the street and means death for a great many.