Romney-Ryan Debate - Ravenswood, WV

toothless in Sandyville wrote:

<quoted text>One question Cindi.Do you take advantage of tax breaks like dependent children,mortgage interest credits,401K.etc?.Everytime you sell something or get paid for something other than your job do you claim the income?

That was more than one question, but whose counting? Right, Toothless? Gross - by the way. Anywho...

I'm not talking about tax breaks. Everyone who makes less than $50,000/year uses those. Otherwise, we'd be taxed to death and unable to even support our families. I'm talking about out-and-out lying / hiding / sheltering of income. That's what the presidential candidate, Romney, does and it is despicable. You really think you or I could get by with that? Puh-lease! Lastly, I don't get paid for anything BUT my job, so no need to hide or lie about any of my income.

It isn't illegal to have money in other countries. You keep talking like Romney is the first person to ever do that. The have you hook, line, and sinker. If the current administration would make it more beneficial to keep the money here or make it illegal to send it out, then there would be a complaint. Until then, you should stop acting like he is committing a crime.

you already know that obsama has between 8-12 million dollars. what you dont know is how much money he has in sheltered overseas banks.

Louda wrote:

It isn't illegal ...

It SHOULD be...

fitness-guru wrote:

you already know that obsama has between 8-12 million dollars. what you dont know is how much money he has in sheltered overseas banks.

Bolgna!

Bologna (sp)

do you expect me to believe obsama is squeakly clean ? how many copies of the obsama book, Lessons from my dadda, did he sell this week. obsama is a multi millionair. everyone looks for loopholes. if your smart you will too.

Vet wrote:

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Oops! Major faux pas! Sorry ... just like a former Marine though - to try and take credit. Semper Fi and all that stuff, huh?
Anyway, you're right Louda - it was Navy Seals - and YOU might get it. Bacon and Eggs deinitely doesn't and that's who my comment was aimed at primarily and maybe (just maybe) a little at you too for saying "It didn't take much" for Obama to give that order. Believe me, it took plenty, and that decision was not made lightly - not at all. He's not the first President nor will he be the last to be in a tough spot and have to make a tough call. He did it and did it successfully. Aren't you always the one who is saying give credit where credit is due? Yes, that's it.

How in gods name was it a tuff call ,again the call was not the capture or kill for Barry It was to cross into Pakistan .wake up!

Cindi wrote:

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That was more than one question, but whose counting? Right, Toothless? Gross - by the way. Anywho...
I'm not talking about tax breaks. Everyone who makes less than $50,000/year uses those. Otherwise, we'd be taxed to death and unable to even support our families. I'm talking about out-and-out lying / hiding / sheltering of income. That's what the presidential candidate, Romney, does and it is despicable. You really think you or I could get by with that? Puh-lease! Lastly, I don't get paid for anything BUT my job, so no need to hide or lie about any of my income.

So it's alright for you because you don't make that much?But because people have money they can't?That's nothing but pure hypocritical class envy.Here's a news flash sister sheltering money is not illegal.How do you know he's out and out lying as you say?Is that what your liberal talking points memo told you?How do I know you don't hide income?I think your lying.......See how easy that game is?

toothless in Sandyville wrote:

<quoted text>So it's alright for you because you don't make that much?But because people have money they can't?That's nothing but pure hypocritical class envy.Here's a news flash sister sheltering money is not illegal.How do you know he's out and out lying as you say?Is that what your liberal talking points memo told you?How do I know you don't hide income?I think your lying.......See how easy that game is?

There is a HUGE difference between taking a legal tax break, which we are all entitled to (rich and poor), and LYING about your income or doing dirty and sheltering it OFFSHORE because you don't want to pay your "fair share" to Uncle Same. Similarly, thre is a HUGE difference between hiring someone in Georgia or California or Missouri (an American) and SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS. In both examples, one is ethical and the other is NOT! Now here's a NEWSFLASH for you, brother...

It's not just that Mitt Romney is incredibly rich with ill-gotten money - though he certainly is that. Romney makes about $380,000 every WEEK, but the real problem is that - unlike, say, Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton or Barack Obama who started poor and got rich - Romney has lived in a strange bubble of wealth for his entire life. He simply doesn't know what it's like to live as a normal person.

He tries hard to hide this -- WAY too hard -- but glimpses slip through all the time like offering to bet Rick Perry $10,000! Who the HELL has $10,000 to bet? Like insisting that he has had to worry about pink slips with $250 million stashed away, much of it in the tax-sheltered Cayman Islands! Like calling $347,000 earned in one year by giving speeches "not much!" Like offering a $1.5 million reward for the "consulting" invoices Newt submitted to his lobbyist boss at Freddie Mac.(Hey, Mitt, I get that it's the amount Newt made, but most hired killers get around $10,000 for a job that invites the death penalty, so a million and a half might be kind of overkill for some paperwork.) Romney spent $42 million dollars of his own money running for president in 2008, and it barely made a dent in his fortune.

Yeh - that's who I want as President!

NOT!

Now, if you do, more power to you and I hope you have your shit kickers on because you're gonna need 'em!!!

Cindi wrote:

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There is a HUGE difference between taking a legal tax break, which we are all entitled to (rich and poor), and LYING about your income or doing dirty and sheltering it OFFSHORE because you don't want to pay your "fair share" to Uncle Same. Similarly, thre is a HUGE difference between hiring someone in Georgia or California or Missouri (an American) and SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS. In both examples, one is ethical and the other is NOT! Now here's a NEWSFLASH for you, brother...
It's not just that Mitt Romney is incredibly rich with ill-gotten money - though he certainly is that. Romney makes about $380,000 every WEEK, but the real problem is that - unlike, say, Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton or Barack Obama who started poor and got rich - Romney has lived in a strange bubble of wealth for his entire life. He simply doesn't know what it's like to live as a normal person.
He tries hard to hide this -- WAY too hard -- but glimpses slip through all the time like offering to bet Rick Perry $10,000! Who the HELL has $10,000 to bet? Like insisting that he has had to worry about pink slips with $250 million stashed away, much of it in the tax-sheltered Cayman Islands! Like calling $347,000 earned in one year by giving speeches "not much!" Like offering a $1.5 million reward for the "consulting" invoices Newt submitted to his lobbyist boss at Freddie Mac.(Hey, Mitt, I get that it's the amount Newt made, but most hired killers get around $10,000 for a job that invites the death penalty, so a million and a half might be kind of overkill for some paperwork.) Romney spent $42 million dollars of his own money running for president in 2008, and it barely made a dent in his fortune.
Yeh - that's who I want as President!
NOT!
Now, if you do, more power to you and I hope you have your shit kickers on because you're gonna need 'em!!!

again how do you know it's illgotten?Because he's rich it's gotten dishonestly?My you are jealous.What makes the difference if it's a dollar or a million he has just as much right as you hypocrit.Romney has relessed his tax returns.That's all Democrats can do is slander and lie because they can't run on their own merits.This election is a referendum on an inept administration that is in way over it's head.Thank God he'll be gone in November

Cindi wrote:

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It SHOULD be...

It isn't, so get over it. If the President shared your view that it should be illegal, he had the first two years to get it passed. Instead, he chose to pass a healthcare bill that more than half of the country doesn't agree with.

Boloney Sammich wrote:

<quoted text>again how do you know it's illgotten?Because he's rich it's gotten dishonestly?My you are jealous.What makes the difference if it's a dollar or a million he has just as much right as you hypocrit.Romney has relessed his tax returns.That's all Democrats can do is slander and lie because they can't run on their own merits.This election is a referendum on an inept administration that is in way over it's head.Thank God he'll be gone in November

It's all lies. The Democrats have people like Cindi hypnotized. They no longer listen to reason. They have been taught to hate people for having money. They have been taught that successful people are only that way because the goverment allowed them to be and now they want it back. They think that the government "makes" money, when the rest of us know that it "takes" money. They bitch every April about having to pay taxes or not getting enough of a refund (LOL), but they hate people who do the same just because they have more money. The class warfare pushed by the Democrats has worked. Anything would work. These people can't think for themselves anymore. They just want to wait for Obama to tell them what to do, where to go, how to get there, who to go with, and when to go. It's ridiculous.

socialism is not the "change you can believe in" you want folks.

Boloney Sammich wrote:

<quoted text>Again how do you know it's illgotten? Romney has relessed his tax returns.That's all Democrats can do is slander and lie because they can't run on their own merits. This election is a referendum on an inept administration that is in way over it's head. Thank God he'll be gone in November.

How do I know? It's public knowledge and anyone with any sense in their heads and/or the ability to think for themselves could find out IF they wanted to. The problem? You (and Louda) don't want to know:
Mitt Romney's dad was the the CEO of American Motors and later governor of Michigan. Good ol' Mitt got richer though thru those "ill-gotten" gains. In some cases, the companies that he ran made him rich through outright fraud and criminal behavior. However, most of the time he it was his technically legal predatory capitalism at Bain & Co. including leveraged buyouts, taking over companies by borrowing against their own assets, stripping them of resources, firing workers, busting unions and getting rid of workers' pensions while he himself gets a multimillion dollar annual pension from Bain - on which he pays minimal taxes on due to tax shelters and hiding his money in questionable foreign tax havens with extreme secrecy.
FACT: Romney moved many of Bain's investment funds to the Cayman Islands or Bermuda, and has somewhere between $13 million and $33 million of his $250 million fortune hidden there. He earns more than $1 million per year just in the interest, dividends and capital gains from the same. He earns extraordinary returns on these funds - 20% to 30%, according to Brad Malt, the manager of his trust.
Romney realeased his tax returns? See, you're delusional! He fiercely resisted releasing his tax returns and then only one year - 2010 - when it looked like he might lose the presidential race if he didn't. This, even though his dad started the practice of politicians releasing tax returns in the first place when he ran for president in the 1960s! Since Mitt has been running for President since 2006, he's had plenty of time to make sure that one year looked good. Now, we have an idea why he didn't release any returns earlier. Because even that one, carefully prepared year has plenty of dangerous items. It revealed his overseas secret bank accounts and his low overall tax rate of under 15%. But there's worse!
Romney was also required to file a financial disclosure form, less detailed, when he filed for President. In fact, he argued that he should have to release his taxes because the disclosure form showed everything important. But, 23 different investment funds shown on his taxes did not appear on his disclosure form - and 11 of those are in those overseas, secret banking centers. Yes, that's a sign of what he's embarrassed to reveal. Oh! And, it's also a FELONY if proven deliberate and not just a sloppy oversight.
The biggest concern is the Swiss bank account, one of the items not on his financial disclosure. Mitt had it from 2003 - 2010, when his adviser shut it down. He closed it in the middle of an amnesty that the IRS had declared for owners of previously unreported Swiss bank accounts - if they came clean, they would not face criminal prosecution for not reporting it in previous years - illegal! Was the sudden shutdown of Romney's secret Swiss bank account part of this amnesty program? We can't know unless and until he releases prior returns, like his dad who released 12 years of prior returns, and Mitt is still fiercely refusing to do so! Anyway, that debunks your Romney's honest theory!
Note: Bain Capital was not "venture capital" investment, as many news stories have incorrectly said. That's an essential part of new company formation in today's economy. Romney practiced what is known as "private equity" takeovers - the kind of leveraged buyouts that Kolberg, Kravis and Roberts are infamous for!
And, this is the man YOU want to be President? OK, crazy!

Boloney Sammich wrote:

<quoted text>...how do you know it's illgotten?...Romney has relessed his tax returns...

Glad you asked!

Mitt Romney was born rich - his dad was the the CEO of American Motors, and later governor of Michigan - but Mitt got much richer by through those ill-gotten gains. In some cases, the companies that he ran made him rich through outright fraud and criminal behavior, but most of the time he it was his technically legal predatory capitalism at Bain & Co. via leveraged buyouts, taking over companies by borrowing against their own assets, stripping them of resources, firing workers, busting unions and getting rid of workers' pensions. Meanwhile, he himself gets a multimillion dollar annual pension from Bain, which he pays minimal taxes on due to tax shelters and hiding his money in shady, foreign tax havens (such as Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, and Swiss bank accounts) that have extreme secrecy.

In fact, Romney moved many of Bain's investment funds to the Cayman Islands or Bermuda, and has somewhere between $13 million and $33 million of his $250 million fortune hidden there. He earns more than $1 million per year just in the interest, dividends and capital gains from these tax haven funds. Romney is earning extraordinary returns on these funds - 20% to 30%, according to Brad Malt, the manager of his trust.

Romney released his tax returns? Are you serious? He fiercely resisted releasing his tax returns, and then only one year - 2010 - when it looked like he might lose the presidential race if he didn't! This, even though his dad George Romney started the practice of politicians releasing tax returns in the first place, when he ran for president in the 1960s. Because Mitt has been running for President since 2006, he's had plenty of time to make sure that one year looked good. Now, we have an idea why he didn't release any returns earlier - because even that one, carefully prepared year has plenty of dangerous items. It revealed his overseas secret bank accounts and his low overall tax rate of under 15%. But there's worse!

Romney was also required to file a financial disclosure form, less detailed than taxes, when he filed for President. In fact, he argued that he should have to release his taxes because the disclosure form showed everything important. But, 23 different investment funds shown on his taxes did not appear on his disclosure form - and 11 of those are in those overseas, secret banking centers. That's a sign of what he's embarrassed to reveal - and it's also a FELONY, if the government can prove it was deliberate and not just a sloppy oversight.

The biggest concern is that Swiss bank account, one of the items NOT on his financial disclosure. Mitt had it from 2003 to 2010, when his adviser shut it down. He closed it in the middle of an amnesty that the IRS had declared for owners of previously unreported Swiss bank accounts - if they came clean, they would not face criminal prosecution for not reporting it in previous years, which was illegal - plus most weren't paying taxes on that money anyway! Was the sudden shutdown of Romney's secret Swiss bank account part of this amnesty program? We can't know unless and until he releases prior returns, like his dad who released 12 years of prior returns. And Mitt is still fiercely refusing to do so. So much for your "Honest Romney" theory!

Note: Bain Capital was not "venture capital" investment,, as many news stories have incorrectly reported. That's an essential part of new company formation in today's economy. Romney practiced what is known as "private equity" takeovers, the kind of leveraged buyouts that Kolberg, Kravis and Roberts are infamous for.

And, THIS is the man you want as President? What a load of crap! With "friends" like his, who the Hell needs an enemy? Not the U.S.- that's for sure!

By the way, I don't hate people for having money as long as they have it the ol' fashioned way - by EARNING it! Romney is a cheat, a thief and a liar, and the biggest enemy of the Middle Class currently in any political position at all. If you vote for him, you are blind and stupid. The worst part? Willingly so...

Seriously wrote:

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Mitt Romney's dad was the the CEO of American Motors and later governor of Michigan. Good ol' Mitt got richer though thru those "ill-gotten" gains. In some cases, the companies that he ran made him rich through outright fraud and criminal behavior. However, most of the time he it was his technically legal predatory capitalism at Bain & Co. including leveraged buyouts, taking over companies by borrowing against their own assets, stripping them of resources, firing workers, busting unions and getting rid of workers' pensions while he himself gets a multimillion dollar annual pension from Bain - on which he pays minimal taxes on due to tax shelters and hiding his money in questionable foreign tax havens with extreme secrecy.
Romney was also required to file a financial disclosure form, less detailed, when he filed for President. In fact, he argued that he should have to release his taxes because the disclosure form showed everything important. But, 23 different investment funds shown on his taxes did not appear on his disclosure form - and 11 of those are in those overseas, secret banking centers. Yes, that's a sign of what he's embarrassed to reveal. Oh! And, it's also a FELONY if proven deliberate and not just a sloppy oversight.
The biggest concern is the Swiss bank account, one of the items not on his financial disclosure. Mitt had it from 2003 - 2010, when his adviser shut it down. He closed it in the middle of an amnesty that the IRS had declared for owners of previously unreported Swiss bank accounts - if they came clean, they would not face criminal prosecution for not reporting it in previous years - illegal! Was the sudden shutdown of Romney's secret Swiss bank account part of this amnesty program? We can't know unless and until he releases prior returns, like his dad who released 12 years of prior returns, and Mitt is still fiercely refusing to do so! Anyway, that debunks your Romney's honest theory!

First, inheriting money is not "ill-gotten" gains. I'm going to pull a page from my old book and tell you that you are a moron. That is one of the most ignorant comments you've made since I joined this site last year. Nothing illegal happened at Bain Capital under Mitt Romney. You falsely accuse him of fraud, but no charges have ever even been considered, let alone filed. You're lying, plain and simple. Have you ever seen Pretty Woman? What Richard Gere did in that movie is close to what Bain did. It isn't illegal or even morally wrong. You are just too brainwashed to see it. Nobody should be worried about how much money he makes or inherited. Go get your own.

Second, nobody has proven any of the accusation that you claim, just like nobody has proven that Obama has a "valid" birth certificate. Nobody cares about make-believe Swiss bank accounts. Even if it is true, people just don't care. Obama Homers are what I call people who have been completely brainwashed by Obama. Obama Homers vote for Obama, not because they came to a rational decision, but because they are mindless sheep who care nothing about facts and believe every word that comes out of his mouth and the other mouths at the White House. People who actually used their heads to come to the decision to vote for Obama don't harp about Romney's individual taxes or legal offshore accounts that only this week have been questioned as illegal. The reason why is because both are irrelevant. Obama has the entire IRS to audit Romney's taxes. He gives two shits about whether the public gets to see it or not. The offshore accounts were legal. If they weren't, Romney would be brought up on charges. Rational thinking people know these things and worry about different, more important issues.

Cindi wrote:

By the way, I don't hate people for having money as long as they have it the ol' fashioned way - by EARNING it! Romney is a cheat, a thief and a liar, and the biggest enemy of the Middle Class currently in any political position at all. If you vote for him, you are blind and stupid. The worst part? Willingly so...

Why is the middle class shrinking under Obama if he is such a champion for them? LOL sheep!

Louda wrote:

<quoted text>First, inheriting money is not "ill-gotten" gains.

Nor did I say that inheriting money was ill-gotten gains and YOU know it. It was what he did AFTERWARDS - in his own business affairs! I spelled it out in detail, but nice try.

Louda wrote:

<quoted text>Nothing illegal happened at Bain Capital under Mitt Romney. You falsely accuse him of fraud, but no charges have ever even been considered, let alone filed. You're lying, plain and simple.

Really? Below is a matter of public record, Louda. Look it up!

In 1989, Romney led Bain Capital's purchase of Damon Corp., a medical testing company, and took a seat on the Board of Directors to better manage it. During Romney's four years, Bain tripled its investment, and Romney personally made $473,000 - while Damon plumped its profits with Medicare fraud running thousands of medical tests doctors didn't want, and billing Medicare for them. The company pled GUILTY to crimes committed during his tenure and paid a record fine of $119 million. Company President Joseph Isola pleaded NO CONTEST to fraud and a vice president was also convicted.

Romney claims he "uncovered" the fraudulent claims and "took corrective action," but court records show that he did not notify prosecutors or stop the fraudulent billing. He just asked company lawyers what changes they could make to avoid prosecution, after the feds' LABSCAM prosecution targeted a different medical testing firm. The cheating continued, prosecutors say, until the day Bain sold the company to Corning.

Louda wrote:

<quoted text>Second, nobody has proven any of the accusation that you claim...Nobody cares about make-believe Swiss bank accounts. Even if it is true, people just don't care...

I'd say a "guilty" verdict and a "no contest" plea pretty much PROVES it! And, about nobody caring? Yeh - that's the problem. As long as I "get mine" who cares? Clearly not you, Dummy! And, I'm a sheep? HA!