Occupy Wall St Debate - Charlotte, NC

Leaderless and ignorant protesters backed by corrupt organized labor, Muslims, anarchists and Communists. Occupy is a sham!!!!!

Leaderless, ignorant party animals, homeless bums and spoiled brats posing as "protesters". Some skip classes, camp out and eat pizza paid for with mama's credit card. Their support is primarily from leftist organizations, corrupt labor unions, anarchists who want to overthrow our government and install a socialist one and others too ignorant to grasp the serious nature of their actions. Occupy is a SHAM!!!!

It's just stupid. Wall Street isn't the villain. It's the dumbass President Obama

If it wernt for the 1% taking advantage of moving the jobs out of our country and taking the work to countries that have no regulations and use child labor we would not be in this predictement today! If anybodys at fault for the occupy movement, its the greedy ceo's of the major corporations that dont care about long term benifits to our country. These greedy bastards are the ones that act more like cummunist than the the people of our country trying to let the 1%ers know that were tired of being treated like dogs. wake up filthy rich your not going to take your billions to hell with you!!!!!

I'm working, there by the Grace of God (Providence) go I. Only because I have enormous energy, intelligence and worked 3 times harder than my peers, I would otherwise be out of work, lose my family and I'd be there camping because I'd have no where else to go. You can not pull yourself up by the bootstraps when your boots have been stolen.

Chinazaa wrote:

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I bet you suck to work with

Why because I do my job? I'm thankful for the first time in my life I'm working only a 40 hour week instead of average of 80 or more. Why because I'm a chump and they could abuse me to do more and more work. In that case: yes, I am terrible to work with. Doing 4 peoples jobs or more in 80 hour work weeks, with insane deadlines and impossible requests. yes I get irritable, short tempered, but I have had the respect of my technical peers.
I paid my dues, I am in a better place. With all that work and abuse, yes your are correct, I can't care about football, baseball, music or movies. I've never had time to waste on it. What have spent time on is my spirituality.

And if you think I will asceed to the convenient rationalization of Tea-Party conservatives, or any other hypocrit. No, I am terrible to get along with. I have been abused my whole life. When I hear 50% of the country use sociopathological head games, because they have been programmed to "Believe" and feel, and not think. No, I am terrible to get along with. What is the point of arguing over ideology of believers that conveniently rationalize you as the devil. All I can do is point the lack of thinking, the hypocricy they use, and the facts and logic that I think with. When I am sociopathological dismissed and belittled with 12 yearold abuse, by saying to me something like poopoo caca. There is no discussion. Unfortunately, that type of thinking is hurting our society every where.
Nothing like someone dope smoking kids taking for granted the programs they fell into to get college and all that. Taking programs where you can work part-time jobs , take that all for granted, and say I got mine, why can't you, acting holier than thou with degrees that I could have slept walked through.... rant rant rant..
Whatever.
If you want to talk about why the society is the way it is from a deep historical context. Understand people for what they are, or look at deep spiritual processes methodologies and how common they are in all religions even ancient christianity. And to have a friend that you can count on until you abuse me. I am fun and interesitng to get along with.

I resent the hell out of the banks getting taxpayer bailout money and treating it as earnings. Millions of Americans have lost jobs and houses due to the malfeasance of the banks and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has been held accountable, unless huge bonuses account as punishment.

Nothing good comes from a MOB!

they have no clue

Iona Hummer wrote:

Leaderless and ignorant protesters backed by corrupt organized labor, Muslims, anarchists and Communists. Occupy is a sham!!!!!

SHAME ON YOU PROPAGANDIST

Break down of the Occupy Wall Street people.

Traffic on the Occupy Wall Street site averaged about 400,000 visitors a day during the sample week (October 7th), which represents more than 10% of the population. 1619 people completed the survey.

Age

Not surprising, nearly 2/3 of the protesters are under 35. But one in three is over 35 and one in five is over 45.

Racial/Ethnic background

81.3% of respondents considered themselves White, 1.3% Black\African American, 3.2% Asian,.4% Native American Indian, 2.9% Mixed, 7.7% Hispanic, and 3.2% considered themselves some other group.

Education

Only 7.9% of respondents lack at least some college.

27.4% have some college (but no degree), 35% have a college degree, 8.2% have some graduate school (but no degree), and close to 21.5% have a graduate school degree.

Employment Status

70% of respondents had jobs. 50.4% worked full time. 20.4% worked part time.

Only 13.1% are unemployed.

Income

47.5% of the sample earns less than $24,999 dollars a year and another quarter (24%) earn between $25,000 and $49,999 per year.

71.5% of the sample earns less than $50,000 per year.

15.4% of the sample earned between $50,000 and $74,999.

The remainder 13% of the sample earn over $75,000 with close to 2% earning over $150,000 per year.

Politics

27.3% of respondents considered themselves Democrats, another 2.4% said they were Republican.

Interestingly, a very large proportion of the sample, close to 70.3%, considered themselves Independents.

Cordero-Guzman concluded that the 99% looked like the 99%.

The one way they did significantly differ was in gender. 67% were male. 30.9% were female and 2% preferred another gender designation.

92.5% of the respondents either strongly or somewhat agree with the protests. Over 91.8% believe the movement is likely to grow.

SHAME CORPORATE PROPAGANDIST
SHAME

Participants in the Occupy Wall Street movement are nothing but a lot of lazy good-for-nothing tricksters and crack smoking swindlers just looking for more ways they can live off the government tit.

More of a mob than an effort. I see little organization and a lot of whining. I agree with a few of their ideas, but this is not the way to convince anyone to change. And who is funding this anyway???

The lack of leadership and solid organization, is an issue with me also.

Unfortunately, the disenfranchised over the 40 years, who follow the old hippy model, has emphasized consensus and no leadership. This frustrates me to no end. At the same time I understand completely. With the lack of honest leadership with integrity, anywhere, why trust anyone. I find this as insane, as trusting big money to act with nobless oblige'. It hasn't happened and it won't. The dismantling of retirement, and setting up the stock market as a means to rob peoples investments from Bush Sr. Administration, I predicted what would happen to this economy back then.
When a culture doesn't understand what leaders are and people follow pedagogs and sociopaths, both sides are enablers. yet one side haven't figured out they are choosing to be victims. And one thing I have learned, victims who whine get no sympathy. At the same time anyone who fights to save themselves aren't co-dependant but counter-dependant, and is not trusted by either side.
It takes a lot of pain for the culture to finally collapse and people rebuild it. Collapse or revolution usually is what happens. I keep working for evolution, but that takes honest, thinking and engaged people. Like what this country was built on in the first place.
Anyway, just food for thought.

Demand greater representation of the individual citizen in all forms of American government. Do so by demanding that special interest groups, campaign buying and corporate bail-outs be made illegal and evolution will supplant revolution, as it should in an effective democratic society.
The fact that occupy wall street has been vandalized by a few nasty incidents does not change the fact that a core group of people in our country are fed up with corporate interference in democratic process. To characterize these people as hippies, chronically unemployed, lazy, diseased or drug-dependent is to side step the pertinent issues surrounding our current political climate and ironically, also serves to highlight many of the problems exacerbated by a culture suffering from too much corporate interference and long-term corporate profiteering.
"By the people, for the people". Remember that one? I don't recall that phrase being followed by ",Inc." or "& Co."
The individual citizen is what once made this country great, and will not return to greatness until the individual once again has a voice in government and a fair chance at living a stable and prosperous life. No; Occupy Wall Street are not, for the most part, a bunch of bums but people whose minds are engaged and concerned for the citizens of this country. Go Occupy!!!

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[QUOTE who="Robert D. Bruce"]Participants in the Occupy Wall Street movement are nothing but a lot of lazy good-for-nothing tricksters and crack smoking swindlers just looking for more ways they can live off the government tit.[/QUOTE]

Banks steal 3 trillion dollars in tax payer money. Corporations own all of our politicians. Banks crash the world economy. America is involved in multiple wars. Our country is in debt 15 trillion. Countries are collapsing around the world. 100,000 people are out in the streets of America protesting against this all this.

And you bitch about a guy peeing on a cop car?

Are you getting paid to be a topix propagandist or what?

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

2ndtimer wrote:

If it wernt for the 1% taking advantage of moving the jobs out of our country and taking the work to countries that have no regulations and use child labor we would not be in this predictement today! If anybodys at fault for the occupy movement, its the greedy ceo's of the major corporations that dont care about long term benifits to our country. These greedy bastards are the ones that act more like cummunist than the the people of our country trying to let the 1%ers know that were tired of being treated like dogs. wake up filthy rich your not going to take your billions to hell with you!!!!!

How about standing in front of the mirror when you point your finger at our country's problems. The American consumer for years flocked to the big box stores and bought ship loads foreign made products when American products were readily available. The American car buyers turned their backs on American cars for the cute little Japanese and German shoebox cars until we made them so many billions of dollars they could come here and build factories. Yes they use our labor BUT the profits go back to there home country and are not invested here . Anyone in your family or town driving a car built by a foreign company, have electronics built by a foreign company, and wear clothes and shoes made by a foreign company are contributing to our lack or jobs, plant closings, and our economic mess. Quit blaming someone else for problems we caused.

It's a need for this. Our world is changing not for better of man kind.

[QUOTE who="Robert D. Bruce"]Participants in the Occupy Wall Street movement are nothing but a lot of lazy good-for-nothing tricksters and crack smoking swindlers just looking for more ways they can live off the government tit.[/QUOTE]

The above poster is a paid for propagandist working for an advertising Corporation. He wants you to have hate in your heart and is only trying to confuse the good people of America. Don't give yourself to this unnatural man. He wants to use you and tell you what to think.

The people are waking up to how America is ran by a Corporatocracy. Going to the voting booth every couple years to pick which Corporate puppet we want to lead America is not going to cut it anymore.

Occupy is to get money out of politics. And stop allowing mega Corporations to control America's democracy.

Is this to hard of an idea for your dumb ass to understand?

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

ThomasA wrote:

<quoted text> How about standing in front of the mirror when you point your finger at our country's problems. The American consumer for years flocked to the big box stores and bought ship loads foreign made products when American products were readily available. The American car buyers turned their backs on American cars for the cute little Japanese and German shoebox cars until we made them so many billions of dollars they could come here and build factories. Yes they use our labor BUT the profits go back to there home country and are not invested here . Anyone in your family or town driving a car built by a foreign company, have electronics built by a foreign company, and wear clothes and shoes made by a foreign company are contributing to our lack or jobs, plant closings, and our economic mess. Quit blaming someone else for problems we caused.

Do you suppose that this was driven by our mega-corporations becoming non-competitive? Perhaps instead of making themselves among the wealthiest executives in the world, they should have put the bulk of profit into innovation and product improvement. How long did it take and how many people had to die before American auto manufacturers began installing seat belts in their cars, for example? Hate to say it, but it took government regulation for that to happen. A simple seat belt. American corporations got rich, got lazy, and got allergic to innovation. People started buying elsewhere for good reason.
It is unfortunate that the end result has been the franchise environment that currently exists. The news segment 'Made in America' with Diane Sawyer was 'telling' when they looked at a household in the U.S. to see what was American Made. Answer: Nothing. The people who lived there didn't realize it. Another one was on public radio news; the majority of apples in frozen juice come from China. Why: makes it cheaper for Americans to buy frozen juice.
These examples suggest that we in the United States are living an unsustainable way of life. We cannot afford to live they way that we do and still produce our own food and our own goods. Our corporate-commercial system is undermining our economic system. Our entire nation has been consolidated and centralized for maximum efficiency (Farming, for example) and yet we are having difficulty finding prosperity. Could it be that what is good for the individual citizens of this country is not what is good for big-business? Might we have been conditioned (through marketing) to serve their needs instead of ours? Could it be that we need to re-localize our way of life? Make local, buy local, live local? Can't speak for you, but I know my neighbors would appreciate it.

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