Obama-Marriage Debate - Thayer, MO

It took a lot of courage for the President to come out in support of gay marriage in an election year. I applaud him for standing up for civil rights. This is the man I voted for in 08 and will proudly vote for again in 12!

For sure wrote:

It took a lot of courage for the President to come out in support of gay marriage in an election year. I applaud him for standing up for civil rights. This is the man I voted for in 08 and will proudly vote for again in 12!

Actually, the man you voted for in 2007 was (so he said) against gay marriage. Now he stands up in favor of immorality. Not worthy of applause. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. Consider the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the fall of the Roman Empire, resulting from sexual depravity and self indulgence. This president hastens the fall of the great American culture. But then I guess that plays into his position that the US is not an exceptional country.

Typo "'08"

I think your pretty naive to think that not allowing gay marriage will stop people from being gay. They are here and they'll always be here. Giving them some rights is simply the right thing to do. If they are in long term relationships then why shouldn't they have the same rights I have, gay marriage has nothing to do with running this country, it will not cause the downfall of our lives, it has nothing to do with most of us. Open your mind and let some ideas in that cause no harm to anyone.

Bravo aur56! Gay marriage will not change a thing or take anything away from heterosexuals. It will grant equal rights to ALL! Separation of Church & State. Let me decide for myself on all things than affect me. I didn't get to vote on anyone else's marriage, what gives you (ACORN) the right to vote on mine?

Hell NO! It's immoral and they will burn in hell for what they're doing.

Marriage is a religious thing. It has no place in politics. If gays want something, let them get a civil commentment. It would give them all of the "rights" that marriage does

For sure wrote:

It took a lot of courage for the President to come out in support of gay marriage in an election year. I applaud him for standing up for civil rights. This is the man I voted for in 08 and will proudly vote for again in 12!

Marriage is a religious thing. Let the gays have a civil commitment. It gives them the same rights as a married couple. Obama was forced into it by Biden's big mouth. Everybody made a big deal out of Clinton's "I smoked pot but didn't inhale" & Bush's drinking in college. Get your hands on a copy of Obama's book "Flags for our Fathers".The origional one. Not the reprint. Obama flat out says that he sold his ass for crack. He prostituted himself to another man for crack cocaine.

nobama wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage is a religious thing. Let the gays have a civil commitment. It gives them the same rights as a married couple. Obama was forced into it by Biden's big mouth. Everybody made a big deal out of Clinton's "I smoked pot but didn't inhale" & Bush's drinking in college. Get your hands on a copy of Obama's book "Flags for our Fathers".The origional one. Not the reprint. Obama flat out says that he sold his ass for crack. He prostituted himself to another man for crack cocaine.

First, I do not approve of Gay marriages at all, however people DO have rights. The history books will reveal a total uprising at the thought of women voting and African Americans being anything other than Slaves. Our Government once considered slaves 3/5 of a person and women were to be seen and not heard. Was this correct? Absolutely not. All people are created equal!

The fact of the matter is, civil unions are not equal to marriage. They only protect couples at the state level, while marriage is a federal issue. There are over 1000 privileges granted to married couples that aren't even offered to couples in a civil union. Though they seem similar on the surface, civil unions and marriage are completely different.

NewToThayer wrote:

The fact of the matter is, civil unions are not equal to marriage. They only protect couples at the state level, while marriage is a federal issue. There are over 1000 privileges granted to married couples that aren't even offered to couples in a civil union. Though they seem similar on the surface, civil unions and marriage are completely different.

People need to grow up and get educated. We do not live under biblical law. If you choose to live under biblical law, I suggest you find yourself a "Jim Jones" like prophet, move to some discreet country, and make your own laws. It's 2012 people....

Marriage is a union of holy matrimony between a man and a woman. If a gay couple wants to be partners, then Obama needs to create a new term to define those relationships. I'm not against gays, and I'm not against them being legal partners, but calling it marriage isn't an option.

If anyone can get married.. and gay partnerships are going to be recognized as marriages.. then why not just waive the requirement that someone be licensed to marry a couple. Hell, just let anyone marry anyone. While they're at it, they shouldn't have to have a lawyer or pay a fee to get divorced. Polygamy might as well be legal everywhere, who cares about morals. And why put an age limit on marriage? Shoot, let 15 year olds run out and get married if they want.. everyone under the sun should have the exact same rights! THIS IS NOT HOW I TRULY FEEL - but the way things are going, everytime someone isn't happy with current "ways" or "laws" they throw a fit and say they're being discriminated against. A marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, and should stay that way. If they don't like what the term marriage stands for, then they should get over it and move somewhere that has other options for them.

WhyNot wrote:

If anyone can get married.. and gay partnerships are going to be recognized as marriages.. then why not just waive the requirement that someone be licensed to marry a couple. Hell, just let anyone marry anyone. While they're at it, they shouldn't have to have a lawyer or pay a fee to get divorced. Polygamy might as well be legal everywhere, who cares about morals. And why put an age limit on marriage? Shoot, let 15 year olds run out and get married if they want.. everyone under the sun should have the exact same rights! THIS IS NOT HOW I TRULY FEEL - but the way things are going, everytime someone isn't happy with current "ways" or "laws" they throw a fit and say they're being discriminated against. A marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman, and should stay that way. If they don't like what the term marriage stands for, then they should get over it and move somewhere that has other options for them.

Don't you think you are being a bit ridiculous? We are talking about legal-age, consenting adults here. It has nothing to do with the "term" - hell you can call it Opposite Marriage if it makes you feel good. We just want the SAME AND EQUAL RIGHTS as male-female married couples. I suppose in your mind slaves were "throwing fits", and women were "throwing fits" when they demanded the right to vote. Have I got that right?

Do you realize that 2 women (or men) who have been together for let's say 23 years have NO LEGAL RIGHT to even hold their loved one's hand in the hospital as they take their last dying breath? No visitation rights, no burial rights, nothing! Is THAT fair and equal? Not in my book! I am not gay, but it is time this ridiculous law of discrimination was changed! And stop with the religion stuff...they know what the bible says. They aren't asking for your judgement - you are nobody's God! They are asking for MAN-MADE laws to be changed and reflect the same for ALL. That is NOT asking too much!

StopTheBigotry wrote:

Do you realize that 2 women (or men) who have been together for let's say 23 years have NO LEGAL RIGHT to even hold their loved one's hand in the hospital as they take their last dying breath? No visitation rights, no burial rights, nothing! Is THAT fair and equal? Not in my book! I am not gay, but it is time this ridiculous law of discrimination was changed! And stop with the religion stuff...they know what the bible says. They aren't asking for your judgement - you are nobody's God! They are asking for MAN-MADE laws to be changed and reflect the same for ALL. That is NOT asking too much!

They can do ANYTHING at the hospital, and regarding visitation and burial that the person authorizes. Not as much paperwork or hassle as a wedding, and certainly not as much responsibility. So, that's not really much of an argument. But it is the same old pro-gay propaganda.

StopTheBigotry wrote:

Do you realize that 2 women (or men) who have been together for let's say 23 years have NO LEGAL RIGHT to even hold their loved one's hand in the hospital as they take their last dying breath? No visitation rights, no burial rights, nothing! Is THAT fair and equal? Not in my book! I am not gay, but it is time this ridiculous law of discrimination was changed! And stop with the religion stuff...they know what the bible says. They aren't asking for your judgement - you are nobody's God! They are asking for MAN-MADE laws to be changed and reflect the same for ALL. That is NOT asking too much!

So, are you in favor of polygamy between any number of men and women who choose to get married to each other? And, since they are man-made laws, you probably would do away with laws concerning age restrictions. And since your a consenting adult, you surely have no problem with relatives marrying. Consenting adults? I guess you're ok with adultery then. What about their civil rights? You're not really asking for the laws to be the same for all, now are you?

NewToThayer wrote:

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Don't you think you are being a bit ridiculous? We are talking about legal-age, consenting adults here. It has nothing to do with the "term" - hell you can call it Opposite Marriage if it makes you feel good. We just want the SAME AND EQUAL RIGHTS as male-female married couples. I suppose in your mind slaves were "throwing fits", and women were "throwing fits" when they demanded the right to vote. Have I got that right?

Although the pro-gay movement has attempted to equate your sexual preference (after all it's not just "gay", but GLBT), to race and gender, anyone can understand that sexual conduct/behavior is not the same thing as race and gender. Such comparisons offend many women and African-Americans.

Well first of all, it is LGBT and "gay" covers us all because that is the label society has given us. We are still HUMAN. As for who marries who, how many spouces they have, whether related or not, what business is it of yours? And as for the "offensive comparison", I am a woman so that makes me 2/3 of the 3 categories I referenced.

As for your Hospital scenario, you are dead wrong. Trust me, I have been down this very road and it is completely unjustified discrimination. Having "authorization" as you put it is NOT valid once they find out you are not the next-of-kin. Propaganda? Are you really that narrow minded?

NewToThayer wrote:

Well first of all, it is LGBT and "gay" covers us all because that is the label society has given us. We are still HUMAN. As for who marries who, how many spouces they have, whether related or not, what business is it of yours? And as for the "offensive comparison", I am a woman so that makes me 2/3 of the 3 categories I referenced.
As for your Hospital scenario, you are dead wrong. Trust me, I have been down this very road and it is completely unjustified discrimination. Having "authorization" as you put it is NOT valid once they find out you are not the next-of-kin. Propaganda? Are you really that narrow minded?

It always amazes me when someone speaks so confidently about something of which they do not know. You can give written authority to any competent adult to have any rights that the next of kin would otherwise have. But you can't just walk in and say I'm the gay lover and I want to run the show. Absent written directives from the patient/decedent, then the next of kin is usually consulted, although on occasion even they have to get court authorization (such as a dispute between next of kin). So., yes propaganda. If you and others supporting GLBT give false info to play on sympathy, then it is propaganda. Not narrow-minded. Factual. And, you could be all 3 categories, but it still doesn't make sexual preference, which you can engage in or not, the same as race and gender, over which you have no control.