Obama-Marriage Debate - Somerset, KY

I love my porcupine, can I marry it, it loves me and I love it or maybe a good horse if I find one and fall in love with it, since I can't find anyone else that loves me? Also, the cost of war is what we are paying for right now and in debt so bad, both sides had a part in this because we got bombed and it cost lots of money ot go overseas and kill people. GROW UP, nothing is free and we were over there killing people and getting our people killed for the last 10+ years so the working people have to tighten our belts and pay for it. BUT first of all GOD IS IN CONTROL and he know the outcome, if you are a Christian, you are on the winning side. I read the book.

Allanon80 wrote:

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So that is a no you can't think of a reason?

Are YOU saying YOU can not process rational thought and fact if it differs from what YOU want. Seems YOU think God should have built his universe around YOU. Kinda like YOU cherry picking bible verses. All the while rejecting the plain Biblical teaching that differs from what YOU wish it to be. I believe YOU think it should all be about YOU and what YOU want.

Googleverse said "I'm not allanon. Im guessing he was born in 1980 and he's got beat." Jrer says- I don't know what that means. Googleverse said "You seem paranoid. Why, because you feel threatened and guilty because inside you arent sure and you know God knows." Jrer says- I think you are trying to imply that I might be gay, If that makes you feel better go for it. But if I am that would not change what the Bible, Gods word says about it, now would it. Googleverse said "Your manuscripts and statistics are void because they are null." Jrer says- That really clears up you lack of ability to provide a sensible rebuttal. Googleverse said "There's hundreds of stories like the one of Noah that have been found, from many cultures." Jrer says- I do not think they are hundreds but it would stand to reason since all cultures are descendants of Noah. They all would have a version of his story. Googleverse said "There is books rejected from the bible." Jrer says- That is because in order to qualify for inclusion they had to be written by those with an first hand account. Or a first hand interview with such a person or persons. They also needed to be true to the teachings of Jesus. It would be like if a requirement was in place in order to write a civil war history book that it had to be written by those who witnessed the war. Not someone many years later. Gnostic's who wrote a conflicting story that did not adhere to Christ and what his disciples taught were rejected. Those old Thomas and Judas or Mary Magdalene supposed gospels were written long after the deaths of the namesakes. So they just did not have any credibility.Googleverse said "What would everyone think if it was written that Jesus was scolded for killing one of his playmates as a boy. It is written." Jrer says- By who Nero, or a wino on the corner in Egypt or was it you. Just some unknown cultist or God hater if it was even written it would have zero credibility. Googleverse said "Anyway God is way bigger than Bible." Jrer says- Got that right. Googleverse said "He way have helped it come together but evolution is real believe it or not. I'm done here as it's a waste of time. Just want to throw a couple things in." Jrer says- I will repeat what (who is allanon) said "As far a evolution, it remains a theory, one that is being defunct by a ocean of scientific understanding from Quantum physics to astronomy to microbiology. It is a 18th century mentality that really has no room in modern thinking." Thank you.Googleverse said "And Jrer if you are going to come at me about pedophiles it shows your lack of judgement. I'll chew you up spit you across the ground." Jrer says if you are referring to the article I linked about the pedophiles swept under the rug by the gay activists the guy who wrote it says he has the footnotes/ documentation, check him out.http://www.voiceofrevoluti on.com/2011/11/15/the-pedophil e-elephant-in-the-gay-activist -closet/ Googleverse said "Thing is I believe you'll keep coming back, subconsciously wanting more thoughts outside the box." Jrer says- more like thoughts outside of reality and fact. Googleverse said "Peace and joy to all. May you get what you want deserve as well." Jrer says- You to my friend, you to.

The link works in post 198 but not in post 205 lets try again http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/11/15/t...

Allanon80 wrote:

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You interpretation is not that of what I believe....Thank God for that, however you trying to put your religious beliefs and mandate it onto a group of people is my real issue here. There are MANY christian denominations that believe that GLBT people are Gods children and He made them the way He wants them. Are they wrong? Are you wrong? At the end of the day it does not matter who is right or wrong on the religious front since this issue is not a religious one, but a civil on. Marriage is controlled by the government and the government has no reason to bar same-sex marriage. Can you think of a reason the government would want to ban same-sex marriage? I can't think of one. Enlighten me ole wise one!

For one thing we are making bad choices for our children and grandchildren, if we do not stand up for the truth, our nation is in serious trouble. Don't you see, some folks will fall for anything, God made you gay and there is nothing you can do about it, I think not. God made man, then he made woman, both male and female, odd that he would make gay people. i hope there is few people that believes all that nonsense. bomma has goofed again by making this a political issue. He is helping us get Romney elected.

Jrer wrote:

The link works in post 198 but not in post 205 lets try again http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/11/15/t...

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Sawber wrote:

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Cousins actually have a lower birth defect rate than older women.
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You might want to consult a genetecist on that one.

marriage = 1 man + 1 woman. that's the way it is. this world has become an even more corrupt place at the hands of Barack Obama. NObama '12!

ZIPYOURLIP Is that your picture? You and ole Sinclair should know as long as the constitution is adhered to fascism can not come to America. But when your trample the rights of some, soon all rights and protections are destroyed including any you may hold dear. Careful what you lobby for you may just learn about the law of unintended consequences.

Jrer wrote:

ZIPYOURLIP Is that your picture? You and ole Sinclair should know as long as the constitution is adhered to fascism can not come to America. But when your trample the rights of some, soon all rights and protections are destroyed including any you may hold dear. Careful what you lobby for you may just learn about the law of unintended consequences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-ston...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/doma...

For your reading enjoyment! BTW the author was right concerning the courts having to step in in the case of Loving v Virginia had we waited on the people to do the right thing then we prob would still have states in which inter-racial marriages would not happen.

finding wrote:

<quoted text>For one thing we are making bad choices for our children and grandchildren, if we do not stand up for the truth, our nation is in serious trouble. Don't you see, some folks will fall for anything, God made you gay and there is nothing you can do about it, I think not. God made man, then he made woman, both male and female, odd that he would make gay people. i hope there is few people that believes all that nonsense. bomma has goofed again by making this a political issue. He is helping us get Romney elected.

Bad choices how? What do you say to those that don't believe in God or at least the form you choose to portray him as....Should they not be given any rights as all? What if they tried to take your rights away? How would you react. This issue is not a religious one it is a civil one and you go back to religion because on a civil front you have no reason to deny. On a religious front you don't either at least in my opinion, but you have your belief of who God is and I have mine. You can believe your view and I mine....No one is trying to take your view away from you, but you think that your view should be the law and we don't write laws based on religion(Thank God) because if we did then who's view should we choose and if it was not your view does that still make it ok?

who is allanon wrote:

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Your statement is a complete lie and falsehood. Actually it can be proven the other way around. Secular rulers hijacked it and religion returned it to its rightful origin.
Let me school you.
For the sake of this discussion we should consider this from a western moving civilization standpoint. From the standpoint of your assertions on this string we consider what happened at the birth of the Christian religion.(Most, if not all of your references to religion are quotations from the Christian Bible)
The best available evidence suggests that marriage is about 4,350 years old. As hunter-gatherers settled down into agrarian civilizations, society had a need for more stable arrangements. The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion. Marriage’s primary purpose was to bind women to men, and thus guarantee that a man’s children were truly his biological heirs.
Gay marriage is rare in history—but not unknown.
The Roman emperor Nero, who ruled Rome from A.D. 54 to 68, twice married men in formal wedding ceremonies, and forced the Imperial Court to treat them as his wives. In second- and third-century Rome, homosexual weddings became common enough that it worried the social commentator Juvenal. The Romans outlawed formal homosexual unions in the year 342.
One should ask, what happened about this time? The simple answer is a mans name. Constantine. In the year 313 he enacted the Edict of Milan legalizing Christian worship. With that, the Roman Empire went from persecution of Christians to the endorsement of the religion. This is the single act in history that launched Christianity as not simply a Jewish sect but to world acceptance as a religion. He then chose the Catholics denomination as the primary source for doctrine. In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. The Bible became one book in its first cannon.
It is not difficult to see that with the establishment of Christianity as a religion, marriage returned to it's one man one woman origin.
This would take volumes to fill you in to what the whole scope of this would be. Constantine made many changes to Christianity, the Roman political concepts of inclusion of pagan rites, beliefs and tradition are well documented. The institution of Marriage is not one and remains pure.
You have asked at least twice for a secular rational for male/female exclusivity in marriage. It is quite simple.
A need for more stable arrangement.
It was true centuries ago, it remains true today.

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, male and female.

Allanon80 wrote:

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Bad choices how? What do you say to those that don't believe in God or at least the form you choose to portray him as....Should they not be given any rights as all? What if they tried to take your rights away? How would you react. This issue is not a religious one it is a civil one and you go back to religion because on a civil front you have no reason to deny. On a religious front you don't either at least in my opinion, but you have your belief of who God is and I have mine. You can believe your view and I mine....No one is trying to take your view away from you, but you think that your view should be the law and we don't write laws based on religion(Thank God) because if we did then who's view should we choose and if it was not your view does that still make it ok?

You back for another schooling?

finding wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, male and female.

My point exactly. It was in the beginning and should remain. My response was to allanon80's false statement of religion "hijacking" marriage.

Allanon80 wrote:

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Bad choices how? What do you say to those that don't believe in God or at least the form you choose to portray him as....Should they not be given any rights as all? What if they tried to take your rights away? How would you react. This issue is not a religious one it is a civil one and you go back to religion because on a civil front you have no reason to deny. On a religious front you don't either at least in my opinion, but you have your belief of who God is and I have mine. You can believe your view and I mine....No one is trying to take your view away from you, but you think that your view should be the law and we don't write laws based on religion(Thank God) because if we did then who's view should we choose and if it was not your view does that still make it ok?

It's not my view or your's, it is God's, he is still in charge and all is well.

finding wrote:

<quoted text>It's not my view or your's, it is God's, he is still in charge and all is well.

I did not say he was not in charge only your view of God and mine differ. The God I believe in made just the way he wants me and He loves me just the same...gay and all. You view of God is that He is a tyrant and makes mistakes and then punishes people for those mistakes....Sorry if I don't subscribe to your twisted view of a loving God, but that is ok because as of right now we can both have those differing beliefs thanks to the free country we live in.

Still Farming wrote:

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You might want to consult a genetecist on that one.

Or you could educate yourself.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/humannature/2008/0...

Should women be allowed to have babies well into their 40s? If so, how can you justify restrictions on cousin marriage? For that matter, what about sibling incest? Theoretically, given a pool of recessive disease genes, reproducing with a sibling instead of a first cousin quadruples the risk of defective offspring. This probably overstates the actual effect, since population studies don't show quadrupling as degrees of consanguinity increase. But even if the birth-defect rate is a worst-case 17 percent , that's no higher than the risk of Down syndrome at the age when Elizabeth Edwards had her fourth child.

Well i guess people have the right to go to heaven or hell the way they choose.I do discriminate against them and will always.

Allanon80 wrote:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-ston...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/doma...
For your reading enjoyment! BTW the author was right concerning the courts having to step in in the case of Loving v Virginia had we waited on the people to do the right thing then we prob would still have states in which inter-racial marriages would not happen.

Interracial marriage has no correlation to a sexual practice. I know that is the heart tugging argument you want to make, but the what we do and the who we are link is dishonest and anyone who buys that is ignorant. A rapist or a murderer can present that argument for what they do also.

Allanon80 wrote:

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I did not say he was not in charge only your view of God and mine differ. The God I believe in made just the way he wants me and He loves me just the same...gay and all. You view of God is that He is a tyrant and makes mistakes and then punishes people for those mistakes....Sorry if I don't subscribe to your twisted view of a loving God, but that is ok because as of right now we can both have those differing beliefs thanks to the free country we live in.

The murderer, rapist, or any one who takes part in any other activity could say God made me just as he wants me argument. What activity or perversion could not make that argument in your ideal society. When you pick and choose what part of Gods word fits your lifestyle anyone can do it. I think listening to what God say's is the only way to do it his way. But you are just one in a long line of folks who want to do it their way. The hard truth is God also tells what the result of such rebellion will be.