Obama-Marriage Debate - Sacramento, CA

Sedgewick P Hunsacker wrote:

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You are so right my patrioctic Christian brother. I knew you was one smart feller when you say that we should kill ever man woman and child in Afganistan because the the only good Mooslim is a dead Mooslim. We got to get all them Democrats out of ever where they are. Bush was the best darn Presedent we ever had if the libtards and the meedias is knocking him for kicking Sodom Whosane butt in Iraq and making economy collaspe at same time. God bless you my frend for always speaking the truth even if everybody else think you nuts I can recognice you as a Christian and patriot. God bless you and praise Jesus.

I cannot believe how bigoted and racist/anti-MUSLIM (not mooslim) you sound. The guy you replied to said nothing about religion, only said he thought Democrats are ruining California. I feel bad for living in a state with such extreme minded and racist people as you.

For thousands of years marriage has been the purview of the church. A rite sanctioned, controlled and, in some cases, arranged by the church. That's all well and good BUT... somewhere along the way of America becoming what it is today, the government started giving certain benefits to those that are married. These benefits include special tax rates, survivor benefits for social security, defacto power of attorney, inheritance rights, as well as specific responsibilities and obligations toward children and debts created as a result of the act of marriage.
This creates a special class of people recognized by the government known as "married".
Now, lets leave sexual orientation completely out of the discussion for a moment. Our constitution, as well as several federal, state and local laws, make it clear that if the government offers benefits, rights, and privileges to one class of people, it cannot deny those benefits to any other people based on race, creed, color, age, or SEX. This means that, by default, gay marriage is already legal in the United States. The government doesn't have the authority to prevent such a union. The only way the government would be able to stop same sex marriage would be to stop recognizing marriage of any kind. Cancel all the benefits and rights assigned to straight couples, then marriage would revert back to the church and they could decide who deserves to experience such religious rights (rites?). Until that happens, I don't see any legitimate reason to ban same sex couples from getting married and receiving the same rights and benefits as opposite sex couples.
-plagiarized from a redditor who's name i cannot find

For thousands of years marriage has been the purview of the church. A rite sanctioned, controlled and, in some cases, arranged by the church. That's all well and good BUT... somewhere along the way of America becoming what it is today, the government started giving certain benefits to those that are married.
These benefits include special tax rates, survivor benefits for social security, defacto power of attorney, inheritance rights, as well as specific responsibilities and obligations toward children and debts created as a result of the act of marriage.
This creates a special class of people recognized by the government known as "married".
Now, lets leave sexual orientation completely out of the discussion for a moment. Our constitution, as well as several federal, state and local laws, make it clear that if the government offers benefits, rights, and privileges to one class of people, it cannot deny those benefits to any other people based on race, creed, color, age, or SEX.
This means that, by default, gay marriage is already legal in the United States. The government doesn't have the authority to prevent such a union.
The only way the government would be able to stop same sex marriage would be to stop recognizing marriage of any kind. Cancel all the benefits and rights assigned to straight couples, then marriage would revert back to the church and they could decide who deserves to experience such religious rights (rites?).
Until that happens, I don't see any legitimate reason to ban same sex couples from getting married and receiving the same rights and benefits as opposite sex couples
-Plagiarized from a redditor who's name I cannot find

Ryan wrote:

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Where are you getting your information about the "roseville nut that support them". Please show proof of this and cite the sources.

The roseville nut will post under different names on a lot of different topics, but it's always under "Roseville".

The roseville nut will post under different names on a lot of different topics, but it's always under "Roseville" and since we all know there is only one person living in Roseville it's the same guy.

It really doesn't make much difference what I think, you think or what government thinks for that matter. Eventually, all of us will answer to a higher authority.....

Jesus ushered in the new covenant in 33 C.E. that includes both Jews and gentiles alike. Those laws under the old covenant that are still in effect (and modified in some cases) were brought forth into the "New Testament," Such as.....

"That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature, and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting." Romans 1:26-29

God is a God of 'absolutes,' no shades of grey, political correctness or affirmative action.

So, if one is looking for affirmation of ones aberrant life style, you won't find it here.....except for forgiveness and redemption for PAST sins through Jesus Christ.

This train is moving fast towards the end of track....so buckle-up!

I do NOT see the need to "marry" your best friend nor to have perverted sex, not as god intended.

Don't like gays