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#164 Jun 4, 2012
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

-- John Adams.

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#165 Jun 4, 2012
The Original Amused wrote:
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."
-- John Adams.
The Supreme Court Decision 1892—Church of the Holy Trinity vs. The United States: "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…. This is a religious people. This is historically true."
Stupid Queers

Crossville, TN

#166 Jun 4, 2012
Fagism is stupid and unbiblical which is what this country was based on
Mobile_Amused

Hendersonville, NC

#168 Jun 4, 2012
Stupid Queers wrote:
Fagism is stupid and unbiblical which is what this country was based on
How can anyone deny such an eloquent expression of an opinion?

This country was based on "Fagism?"

I love the textual flailing of true idiots.

(and, yes, I meant "flailing," not "failing." Look it up.)
ZodFan

Crossville, TN

#169 Jun 5, 2012
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
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The Supreme Court Decision 1892—Church of the Holy Trinity vs. The United States: "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…. This is a religious people. This is historically true."
Bullsh-t

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WhineNoMore

Cookeville, TN

#170 Jun 5, 2012
Stupid Queers wrote:
Fagism is stupid and unbiblical which is what this country was based on
Oh, I thought he meant the country was based on being "unbiblical!" ROTFL! ROTFL!!
Mobile_Amused

Hendersonville, NC

#171 Jun 5, 2012
ZodFan wrote:
Good catch, ZodFan! Kudos!
Naw

United States

#172 Jun 5, 2012
ZodFan wrote:
lol priceless :) Green Hornet moron status confirmed

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#173 Jun 5, 2012
Naw wrote:
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lol priceless :) Green Hornet moron status confirmed
Really do you really believe that web site? Really?

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#174 Jun 5, 2012
Naw wrote:
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lol priceless :) Green Hornet moron status confirmed
And these supposed experts that made these quotes,did they use the academic standard or the legal standard? Mr. Barton has for quite some time used the legal standard,which is a much higher standard..Did these people use actual old texts?Here is what I found.

David had used the academic standard rather than the legal standard (under the academic standard, citations may be made to secondary sources such as professors and other academic scholarly works). But unlike so many other modern academic writers (especially such writers among his critics), David no longer uses the academic standard but instead relies almost exclusively on the legal standard. He has challenged his critics to rise to the same high level of scholarship and documentation, but thus far they have not accepted the challenge.
The difference between an academic and a legal standard is actually very recognizable. Under the academic standard, the writer may properly say that “professor so and so tells us that James Madison said ...”, but under the legal standard, the writer must quote the specific James Madison letter or writing from which his quote is taken; hearsay evidence such as someone else’s opinion (e.g., a professor or other writer) is not acceptable. David has always documented his quotes, but he now no longer uses secondary sources (which is completely acceptable in the academic community) but only primary sources (the higher requirement of the legal community). And why not? David owns some 100,000 works that predate 1812; so why should he quote a professor or some other scholar when he can quote the actual document instead?(By the way, because these original documents have now been used to expose many assertions of modern professors and writers about the Founding Fathers as being inaccurate claims, it is primarily for this reason that they attack David and accuse him of making up his quotes – they have been embarrassed at having their historically inaccurate agenda exposed.)
Some twenty years ago when David moved from the academic standard to the legal standard, he compiled a list of several Founding Father quotes that he and numerous other writers had used about early America (these were all quotes which he had fully documented under academic standards); he announced that he would no longer use those quotes until he found them in original sources. Significantly, over the past twenty years, he has now found many of those quotes in original sources (thus affirming their authenticity) and has returned to using them. Thus far, however, his critics still have maintained their practice of citing each other rather than original historical documents.
(This unfortunate practice is known as Academic Collectivism, whereby “experts” rely on each other’s claims as the standard for truth. This practice advances an incestuous system of peer-review as the measurement for whether an historical fact is accurate or errant, and thus many modern professors frequently quote each other to show they are “right” when in reality actual documents often prove the opposite of what they claim.)
To see the list of academic quotes that David compiled two decades ago, along with quotes that have now been verified by primary source documents (as well as a complete explanation of how the false claim that he makes up his quotes originated), see our “Unconfirmed Quotations” list.

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#175 Jun 5, 2012
Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian.-- Holy Trinity v. U. S.(Supreme Court)(inaccurate confirmed!-- Richmond v. Moore, Illinois Supreme Court, 1883)

This quotation appeared in many modern works, each attributing the wording to the U. S. Supreme Court's 1892 decision in the Holy Trinity case. After researching and being unable to locate this quote in that case, we concluded that it was probably was a cut-and-paste typographical error, for several of the phrases do appear in that case, 10 but not in the exact wording given above; we therefore at that time recommended that this quote not be used. Now, however, after more than a decade of searching, we have located and confirmed the original source for this quote: it appears not in an 1892 U. S. Supreme Court case 11 but rather in an 1883 Illinois Supreme Court ruling in Richmond v. Moore. 12 While we previously recommended against using this quote, it is now authenticated and can be cited, providing that it is attributed to the proper source.

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#176 Jun 5, 2012
Did you know that Congress actually appointed a committee to oversee the printing of the Bible in the United States? Congress actually felt it was very very important to have a Bible printed in the United States,in English.Why would they do that,if it was not important to our early leaders?Here is what I found..If you go to the cite,you will actually see a copy of the original document from Congress.

After appointing a committee to study the project, Congress acted on September 12, 1782, by "highly approv[ing of] the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken." The endorsement by Congress was printed in the Aitken Bible:
Robert Aitken printed three documents in the front of his Bible, the report of the committee established to review his memorial; the report of the Congressional Chaplains; and Congresses endorsement. Below is the text of these documents:

BY THE UNITED STATES IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED:

September 12th, 1782.

THE Committee to whom was referred a Memorial of Robert Aitken, printer, dated 21st January, 1781, respecting an edition of the Holy Scriptures, report, "That Mr. Aitken has, at a great expense, now finished an American edition of the Holy Scriptures in English; that the Committee have from time to time attended to his progress in the work; that they also recommended it to the two Chaplains of Congress to examine and give their opinion of the execution, who have accordingly reported thereon; the recommendation and report being as follows:

"Philadelphia, 1st September, 1782.

"Reverend Gentlemen,
"Our knowledge of our piety and public spirit leads us without apology to recommend to your particular attention the edition of the Holy Scriptures publishing by Mr. Aitken. He undertook this expensive work at a time when, from the circumstances of the war, and English edition of the Bible could not be imported, nor any opinion formed how long the obstruction might continue. On this account particularly he deserves applause and encouragement. We therefore wish you, Reverend Gentlemen, to examine the execution of the work, and if approved, to give the sanction of our judgment, and the weigh of your recommendation.

We are, with very great respect,
Your most obedient humble servants.
(Sign'd) JAMES DUANE, Chairman in behalf
of a Committee of Congress on Mr. Atken's Memorial.

Reverend Doct. White and Revd. Mr. Duffield,
Chaplains of the United States in Congress assembled.

Report.

Gentlemen,
AGREEABLY to your desire we have paid attention to Mr. Robert Aitken's impression of the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament. Having selected and examined a variety of passages throughout the work, we are of opinion that it is executed with great accuracy as to the sense, and with as few grammatical and typographical errors as could be expected in an undertaking of such magnitude. Being ourselves witnesses of the demand for this invaluable book, we rejoice in the present prospect of a supply; hoping that it will prove as advantageous as it is honorable to the Gentleman, who has exerted himself to furnish it, at the evident risk of private fortune. We are, Gentlemen,
Your very respectful and humble servants,

(Sign'd) WILLIAM WHITE,
GEORGE DUFFIELD.

Philadelphia, September 10th, 1782.

Honble James Duane, Esq. Chairman, and the other
Honble Gentlemen of the Committee of Congress on
Mr. Aitken's Memorial."

Whereupon,
RESOLVED,
THAT the United States in Congress assembled highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion, as well as an instance of the progress of arts in this country, and being satisfied from the above report of his care and accuracy in the execution of the work, they recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorize him to publish this Recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.

CHA. THOMSON, Sec'ry.

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Naw

United States

#177 Jun 5, 2012
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
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Really do you really believe that web site? Really?
You have already been proven to be a moron. Doesn't matter how many pages you copy and paste from the internet it won't change that simple fact lol

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#178 Jun 5, 2012
Here is a Proclamation - Thanksgiving Day - 1777 ...Why would the Continental Congress give this proclamation if God was not an important part of the making of this great Country?Go to this site and you will see a copy of the proclamation.I will give just a portion of it.Please see the word God in it several times

This is the text of the Continental Congress November 1, 1777 national Thanksgiving Day Proclamation; as printed in the Journals of Congress.

Forasmuch as it is the indispensable duty of all men to adore the superintending providence of Almighty God; to acknowledge with gratitude their obligation to him for benefits received, and to implore such farther blessings as they stand in need of; and it having pleased him in his abundant mercy not only to continue to us the innumerable bounties of his common providence, but also smile upon us in the prosecution of a just and necessary war, for the defense and establishment of our unalienable rights and liberties; particularly in that he hath been pleased in so great a measure to prosper the means used for the support of our troops and to crown our arms with most signal success:

It is therefore recommended to the legislative or executive powers of these United States, to set apart Thursday, the 18th day of December next, for solemn thanksgiving and praise; that with one heart and one voice the good people may express the grateful feelings of their hearts, and consecrate themselves to the service of their divine benefactor; and that together with their sincere acknowledgments and offerings, they may join the penitent confession of their manifold sins, whereby they had forfeited every favor, and their humble and earnest supplication that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance; that it may please him graciously to afford his blessings on the governments of these states respectively, and prosper the public council of the whole; to inspire our commanders both by land and sea, and all under them, with that wisdom and fortitude which may render them fit instruments, under the providence of Almighty God, to secure for these United States the greatest of all blessings, independence and peace; that it may please him to prosper the trade and manufactures of the people

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#179 Jun 5, 2012
Naw wrote:
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You have already been proven to be a moron. Doesn't matter how many pages you copy and paste from the internet it won't change that simple fact lol
Obviously you do not care for the truth..I am sure you are an expert that can prove that this is all false..There are actual copies of the original documents on this site..Can you show that these copies are forged?Let me know when you can prove it.It is interesting that even copies of the original documents mean nothing to you.Just some name calling I guess..God was an important part of the founding of our Nation,and I guess some people do not like that..Have a great evening.
Naw

United States

#180 Jun 5, 2012
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
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Obviously you do not care for the truth..I am sure you are an expert that can prove that this is all false..There are actual copies of the original documents on this site..Can you show that these copies are forged?Let me know when you can prove it.It is interesting that even copies of the original documents mean nothing to you.Just some name calling I guess..God was an important part of the founding of our Nation,and I guess some people do not like that..Have a great evening.
You we're already proven to be taking quotes out of context earlier. You enjoy changing the truth for your own wants and needs. Its pathetic that you have to lie to yourself and others. Really funny though
Haha please

Crossville, TN

#181 Jun 5, 2012
Mobile_Amused wrote:
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How can anyone deny such an eloquent expression of an opinion?
This country was based on "Fagism?"
I love the textual flailing of true idiots.
(and, yes, I meant "flailing," not "failing." Look it up.)
Thats funny buddy you have fun pointing out flaws on an Internet site where nobody knows who you are. And for your information that was written at 2 in the morning and with little effort or thought because these posts angered me. And yes it is phrased wrong but I meant the bible is what this country was based on. The Ten Commandments you know the rules that Moses directly recieved from god. That includes the commandment, "Thou shall honor thy mother and father." Not thy fathers or mothers. Get a life man and I mean this is the most Christian way. I just hate to see what this country's coming to.

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#182 Jun 5, 2012
Naw wrote:
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You we're already proven to be taking quotes out of context earlier. You enjoy changing the truth for your own wants and needs. Its pathetic that you have to lie to yourself and others. Really funny though
Quotes out of context??lol That is funny.Don't like the fact that our Country was founded on Christian principles? Disprove the copies of the original documents..Disprove the fact that the Supreme court basically stated that this great Country was founded on Christian principles..Not some blog,but good proof using the legal standard,not a academic standard..
Naw

United States

#183 Jun 5, 2012
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
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Quotes out of context??lol That is funny.Don't like the fact that our Country was founded on Christian principles? Disprove the copies of the original documents..Disprove the fact that the Supreme court basically stated that this great Country was founded on Christian principles..Not some blog,but good proof using the legal standard,not a academic standard..
Its already been proven in this thread that this country was not founded on Christian principles. Most of the founding fathers we're deists and not Christians.

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#184 Jun 5, 2012
Naw wrote:
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Its already been proven in this thread that this country was not founded on Christian principles. Most of the founding fathers we're deists and not Christians.
Sorry,not proven.Alleged?Yes..Proven? No...Here is just a few quotes from early leaders..

Samuel Adams
Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

I ... recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

Will of Samuel Adams

John Dickinson
Signer of the Constitution

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

Will of John Dickinson

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