Obama-Marriage Debate - Batesville, AR

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Batesville, AR.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Batesville is with Obama on gay marriage.
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May 14, 2012
 
The United States was founded by Christian men, but they established with the hopes of of preventing a theocracy or theocratically based government. There is no logical, secular reason to ban same-sex marriage. The argument that supporting same-sex marriage forces churches to marry gay people is false. Currently, atheist are allowed to marry under the state and there is no church involved. There would be no difference if same-sex marriages were allowed. They could marry under the state and it would still be up to the individual religious institutions on whether they will allow the individuals to marry under their respective deity. This issue is no different that the protest against interracial marriage. The majority does not have the right to select or dictate the rights of the minority
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May 14, 2012
 
Chris wrote:
The United States was founded by Christian men, but they established with the hopes of of preventing a theocracy or theocratically based government. There is no logical, secular reason to ban same-sex marriage. The argument that supporting same-sex marriage forces churches to marry gay people is false. Currently, atheist are allowed to marry under the state and there is no church involved. There would be no difference if same-sex marriages were allowed. They could marry under the state and it would still be up to the individual religious institutions on whether they will allow the individuals to marry under their respective deity. This issue is no different that the protest against interracial marriage. The majority does not have the right to select or dictate the rights of the minority
America was founded on the bible and god and that is why it should not be allowed. The bible plainly speaks against it and if we let it go and except it we will be punished like Sodom and Gomorra.
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May 14, 2012
 
Easy b/c it's not right

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May 14, 2012
 
you need to read more history if you think it was based on the bible. The finding fathers thought that the government and the church intermingling was very dangerous. Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the Bible that is today called Jeffersons Bible and it was the only one he read or carried. It only had the actual words that Jesus spoke. He said that the words of Jesus were sublime and he was a grew humanitarian as long as they were not polluted by the false scaffolding of other mens words that surrounded them.
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May 14, 2012
 
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America was founded on the bible and god and that is why it should not be allowed. The bible plainly speaks against it and if we let it go and except it we will be punished like Sodom and Gomorra.
If America was founded on the Bible, then why did the founding fathers amend the constitution with a clause effectively creating a separation between the church and the state? Why is it that the only place they mentioned God in any of the founding documents was in the date (which was simply common practice at the time)? If I remember correctly, the Bible also states a few negative things about non-believers as well. However, we allow atheist to get married. Not in the church, because that is the churches decision to make, but under the state. I have no problem with you or others looking down upon or condemning homosexuality or its practices. However, we should respect other people's rights to choice their life style and act accordingly. God can handle the sinners after all. The Bible does say "judge not less you be judged."

For those that are wondering, I am not Christian myself (I was before and have a lot of experience with Christianity). I also see nothing wrong with homosexuality or gay marriage.

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May 14, 2012
 
Besides do you really I mean really care if same sex couples get married. how does it effect you? how will your life change? live and let live and let god judge. We think that rape multiple wives and mistresses are wrong today yet it seemed to be ok to Abraham, Moses, David, ect.
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May 14, 2012
 
I would like to make one other point. If I recall correctly Sodom and Gomorrah were swept away because Abraham could not find enough good people in the city remaining. Surely, if such a situation were to arise, there would be enough good Christian people to not warrant such actions. Also, this part of the Bible never states what happened to the righteous that were swept away with the sinners. It is likely that they were judged and allowed into heaven just like other righteous individuals that are judged. Surely the lord would not condemn those committed to him for simply living amongst sinners, for his own son did the same.

Also, guest feel free to reply back. This comments are not made in jest or to provoke. I am simply providing a polite debate.
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May 14, 2012
 
I am a Christian and I cannot figure out why some are so obsessed with Gays. It say's "I detest" twice, it say's love one another without question 497 times. Did you know in Leviticus where it say's "God detest" it say's the same exact thing regarding kids who disobey their parents, gossip, lying and love of money. Why do we focus on gay's. So many Christians are so hypocritical. If gays pay taxes and obey the laws of the land they should be afforded the same rights as anyone. Don't use that founding fathers crap either. The founding fathers were very very clear that goverment should stay out of Church and Church should stay out of goverment. Besides, it is a proven scientific fact that people who hate gays have repressed homosexual feelings. Look in the mirror people. Do you really think God needs out help? give me a break. If he in fact hates Gays then he and he alone will judge. He is very very clear about that point. His exact words "I and I alone will judge". We don't need latent homesexual Preachers making laws. I am happily married, I have zero gay feelings so gay people do not bother me one Iota. Obviously some of you have feelings you cannot deal with.
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May 14, 2012
 
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I am a Christian and I cannot figure out why some are so obsessed with Gays. It say's "I detest" twice, it say's love one another without question 497 times. Did you know in Leviticus where it say's "God detest" it say's the same exact thing regarding kids who disobey their parents, gossip, lying and love of money. Why do we focus on gay's. So many Christians are so hypocritical. If gays pay taxes and obey the laws of the land they should be afforded the same rights as anyone. Don't use that founding fathers crap either. The founding fathers were very very clear that goverment should stay out of Church and Church should stay out of goverment. Besides, it is a proven scientific fact that people who hate gays have repressed homosexual feelings. Look in the mirror people. Do you really think God needs out help? give me a break. If he in fact hates Gays then he and he alone will judge. He is very very clear about that point. His exact words "I and I alone will judge". We don't need latent homesexual Preachers making laws. I am happily married, I have zero gay feelings so gay people do not bother me one Iota. Obviously some of you have feelings you cannot deal with.
At first I thought you were the other "guest" that was against same-sex marriage. It took me a second to realize my mistake. Also, I am not sure if you made the founding fathers remark in reference to me or the other guest, but I thought I would clarify just to make sure. My comment meant that the founder fathers wanted a separation of church and state. That the constitution, while possibly in agreement with somethings stated in the Bible, was not based on it nor did it indorse it. I am sure that your comment was toward the other guest but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't any misunderstanding.
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May 14, 2012
 
Chris wrote:
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If America was founded on the Bible, then why did the founding fathers amend the constitution with a clause effectively creating a separation between the church and the state? Why is it that the only place they mentioned God in any of the founding documents was in the date (which was simply common practice at the time)? If I remember correctly, the Bible also states a few negative things about non-believers as well. However, we allow atheist to get married. Not in the church, because that is the churches decision to make, but under the state. I have no problem with you or others looking down upon or condemning homosexuality or its practices. However, we should respect other people's rights to choice their life style and act accordingly. God can handle the sinners after all. The Bible does say "judge not less you be judged."
For those that are wondering, I am not Christian myself (I was before and have a lot of experience with Christianity). I also see nothing wrong with homosexuality or gay marriage.
You were a christian but you didn't read the bible.Yeah right
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May 14, 2012
 
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I am a Christian and I cannot figure out why some are so obsessed with Gays. It say's "I detest" twice, it say's love one another without question 497 times. Did you know in Leviticus where it say's "God detest" it say's the same exact thing regarding kids who disobey their parents, gossip, lying and love of money. Why do we focus on gay's. So many Christians are so hypocritical. If gays pay taxes and obey the laws of the land they should be afforded the same rights as anyone. Don't use that founding fathers crap either. The founding fathers were very very clear that goverment should stay out of Church and Church should stay out of goverment. Besides, it is a proven scientific fact that people who hate gays have repressed homosexual feelings. Look in the mirror people. Do you really think God needs out help? give me a break. If he in fact hates Gays then he and he alone will judge. He is very very clear about that point. His exact words "I and I alone will judge". We don't need latent homesexual Preachers making laws. I am happily married, I have zero gay feelings so gay people do not bother me one Iota. Obviously some of you have feelings you cannot deal with.
It also says a man and a woman. That's wrote in red.If it matters to you.
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May 14, 2012
 
imnotfooled wrote:
<quoted text>You were a christian but you didn't read the bible.Yeah right
You are correct. I use to be Christian. However, I don't recall saying that I never read the Bible. In fact I quoted parts of it from memory in one of my previous post. I was uncertain on one part concerning whether it was Abraham or Lot that search for righteous people before God made his decision on whether Sodom and Gomorrah were to be swept away. However, a quick search did confirm that my memory was correct in thinking that it was Abraham that did this after getting God to agree to a lower number of righteous people that he would be required to find before the city would be spared.
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May 14, 2012
 
Opps, somehow my name got changed while I was looking at the new same-sex marriage thread.
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May 14, 2012
 
rizzlebizzle wrote:
you need to read more history if you think it was based on the bible. The finding fathers thought that the government and the church intermingling was very dangerous. Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the Bible that is today called Jeffersons Bible and it was the only one he read or carried. It only had the actual words that Jesus spoke. He said that the words of Jesus were sublime and he was a grew humanitarian as long as they were not polluted by the false scaffolding of other mens words that surrounded them.
Then Thomas Jefferson BIBLE HAD marriage to be between a man and woman. You can look it up if you like.
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May 14, 2012
 
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<quoted text>It also says a man and a woman. That's wrote in red.If it matters to you.
Yes the Bible does say that. However, it also states that a marriage is a union under god. The way that the state uses marriage and other cultures have used marriage does not mean under god. It means under state or under their diety(s) respectively.

Also, I don't think the color someone decided to print it in two thousand years after the original text was written matters very much. Especially since this is only in certain versions/editions of the bible.
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Yes the Bible does say that. However, it also states that a marriage is a union under god. The way that the state uses marriage and other cultures have used marriage does not mean under god. It means under state or under their diety(s) respectively.
Also, I don't think the color someone decided to print it in two thousand years after the original text was written matters very much. Especially since this is only in certain versions/editions of the bible.
The same person said it in any text.How about what that same person said about a man that lays with another man. I'm sure you know that one.
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May 14, 2012
 
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<quoted text>The same person said it in any text.How about what that same person said about a man that lays with another man. I'm sure you know that one.
I understand that it says that in any version of the text. What I stated was that only certain version/editions of the Bible contain certain phrases emphasized with red text as oppose to having all of the text only in black or only in red.

Yes I am familiar with the text you are referencing, "a man shall not lie with a man as a man lies with a woman," (it is phrased a few other ways as well in different parts of the Bible but I don't remember the other phrasings word for word). I also respect your right to believe that homosexuality is wrong as well as same-sex marriage. However, I don't believe that our religious beliefs should be forced upon others. Besides, forcing Christian values upon someone will only cause either resentment toward Christianity or will create a false Christian. A person cannot simply act Christian, they must believe in the Lord and worship him with their heart. There is no way to force someone's beliefs, only their actions. I for one would not want someone to force their beliefs on me nor would I expect other to like it either. We should respect each others beliefs. Respect toward others, warm-heartedness, and courtesy toward others is the only way that one can hope to gain converts anyways.

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May 14, 2012
 
imnotfooled wrote:
<quoted text>Then Thomas Jefferson BIBLE HAD marriage to be between a man and woman. You can look it up if you like.
where? and I will.
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May 14, 2012
 
I extend the same invitation to you "imnotfooled," and any others that may be interested. These comments are not in jest or to provoke. I am simply offering a polite debate. Feel free to post more.
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May 14, 2012
 
Also where are all the voters. A bunch of people voted for the Gay Marriage debate. I figured there would be a decent amount of votes on this one as well. However there is only 8.

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