Obama-Marriage Debate - Alderson, WV

Obama nation when it should be Abomination!

Its there life nobody's to judge anyone.

If we want to stick to the "Traditional Marriages" in the "Bible", then here ya go:

1. Polygynous Marriage

Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.

2. Levirate Marriage

When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).

3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).

4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).

5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.

6. A male rapist and his victim

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.

7. A male and female slave

A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.

8. and of course …
Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.

The important thing to realize here is that none of these models are described as better than any other. All appear to have been accepted.

So there you go. The next time someone says that we need to stick with biblical marriage in this country, you can ask them which of the eight kinds they would prefer, and why.

I guess I like #4 the best !!

i like to mind my own business and stay out of other people's affairs that don't concern me

live and let live wrote:

i like to mind my own business and stay out of other people's affairs that don't concern me

Really interesting that you commented then, huh?

You don't have to be in anybody's business to disagree.

I just don't think it's good for anyone.

@Who cares - Nice job *trying* to cloud the issue, but the fact is, you described the circumstances of several male to female marriages, but they are still man and wife.

In Matthew 19, Jesus talks about men and women were to be together from the beginning and that's been our standard ever since.

#2 - Still one husband for the widow.

#3 - People make bad decisions all the time. Just because an action is recorded in the Bible doesn't mean God supported it.

#4 - Again, a practice they picked up from other cultures that God didn't approve.

#5,6,7,8 - Still hetero couples, formed under different circumstances.

(Of course, I'm just going by your generalizations without really looking up the passages you're referring to, but we can do that if you like.)

It is true, the Bible prohibited intermarriage with other cultures, basically in order to keep the Hebrews from adopting the ungodly practices of
those groups. The Hebrews ignored that one too, but it doesn't mean God was behind it.

It redefines marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Call it what you like but man with man and woman with woman is not marriage.

He ain't forcing churches to marry people. Seems pretty rational

Chilocanth wrote:

I just don't think it's good for anyone.

And your reason for this is....?

Well there is one thing to be said of gay marriage..........they can't naturally re-produce..........therefor they are not affecting the lives of other people without a second thought!!!!! Every which way you turn theres a man & a woman getting married..........two drunks, dope addicts, people living on welfare, no jobs or future, and in several States its legal to marry your first cousin..........an accident waiting to happen ( birth deffects, retardation, still birth.......etc ) and just asking for these things to happen..........but who cares its not this lovely MAN & WOMAN who are getting married in the most excepted way who are going to physically & / or mentally suffer. Its the children that our Gov. has made it so easy & so legal for them to produce. 75% of people should be tested befor they should be allowed to have children!!!!!!!!! And then you want to go off on gay marriage that affects only two people. And I don't know any gay people on Welfare & who are drunks and dope heads. They have good jobs and mind their own business..........can everyone else claim that??????????

Chilocanth wrote:

@Who cares - Nice job *trying* to cloud the issue, but the fact is, you described the circumstances of several male to female marriages, but they are still man and wife.
In Matthew 19, Jesus talks about men and women were to be together from the beginning and that's been our standard ever since.
#2 - Still one husband for the widow.
#3 - People make bad decisions all the time. Just because an action is recorded in the Bible doesn't mean God supported it.
#4 - Again, a practice they picked up from other cultures that God didn't approve.
#5,6,7,8 - Still hetero couples, formed under different circumstances.
(Of course, I'm just going by your generalizations without really looking up the passages you're referring to, but we can do that if you like.)
It is true, the Bible prohibited intermarriage with other cultures, basically in order to keep the Hebrews from adopting the ungodly practices of
those groups. The Hebrews ignored that one too, but it doesn't mean God was behind it.

Chilocanth I wasn't trying to "cloud" the situation. I can't stand when Christians try to merge the Bible with government. This is a "Free" country and not everyone believes in the bible nor do they live by it therefore laws should not be based on it. And what pisses me off even more is when they get so fixated on judging others when they have their own sins they need to deal with. Don't be a hypocrite going around telling people what they can and cannot do when you have your own issues to worry about. It doesn't concern you so please focus on your own sins. If others want to sin then let them. If you think they are going to go to hell then let them.

It seems that 18:22 is only part of Leviticus Christians seem to give a damn about.

http://leviticusbans.tumblr.com/

There are a few reasons I don't think its good for anyone. First, its calling something God condemns, good. You can just read people's comments and see how they support the gay lifestyle and the relationships that come from it, while rejecting the goodness of God and the lifestyle He designed for us to live. Secondly, since we're rejecting God's design for us as a nation, it brings us under a curse because God won't bless a rebellious and sinful people. So in that since, it effects everyone. Third, its really not good for gay couples. Not too long ago, homosexuality was considered a deviant lifestyle, a mental disorder. Now we're told its OK (as a result of the LGBT community's push), but we all know deep down its unnatural. So fourthly, we're being shamed into denying our inner voice, our God given conscience, to accept something we know to be wrong. The more this happens, the worse off we are as a nation.

Look, I'm not saying that being gay is the ultimate sin because, yes, we all sin and fall short of God's glory. But, that's not a reason to continue in sin or call it "good". All sinful behavior hurts those involved and those connected with the person, both on an intimate level and as a society. We were created and designed to relate to God and each other in certain ways and when we deviate from that, its harmful. If you look at gay people, you can see patterns in their upbringing, abuses and missed relationships that steered them toward the homosexual lifestyle. In other people, the same events can steer them toward drug abuse, alcoholism, sleeping around or eating disorders. But whatever the wound, choosing something other than God to bring healing is going to fail and not adequately address the underlying need.

Now, Christians have a responsibility to share the truth and the Gospel. If someone doesn't want to submit to the truth, that's on them, but we have as much right as anyone else to express our views and influence government. Besides, many of our laws are based on the Bible, God's word, and we need that in order to live under a higher authority other than man. Otherwise you have a system designed to support tyranny. Seriously, if we didn't use the Bible for our laws, what would we use? Popular opinion? You can already see how that's shifting and the harm its bringing to our nation. Honestly, justify to me why bestiality and pedophilia are wrong outside the Bible. You can't, because what makes your "morals" better than someone else's? Or what makes your cultural values better than another's? In some countries, the age of consent is 12 or 13. Why would you think they're wrong and the US is right?

It really comes down to people not wanting any moral authority in their lives. People just want to do whatever they want without any accountability. So lying, stealing and such are OK as long as they're the one's doing it and its to their benefit, but the minute someone steals their stuff and gossips about them, THEN its wrong and they have a problem with those actions.

We all start with the same base for good and evil. Its when we start growing up, get hurt and reject God that the problems begin. The more we do that as a people and a nation, the worse off we all are. Gay marriage is just another example of our downward spiral.

Chilocanth wrote:

There are a few reasons I don't think its good for anyone. First, its calling something God condemns, good. You can just read people's comments and see how they support the gay lifestyle and the relationships that come from it, while rejecting the goodness of God and the lifestyle He designed for us to live. Secondly, since we're rejecting God's design for us as a nation, it brings us under a curse because God won't bless a rebellious and sinful people. So in that since, it effects everyone. Third, its really not good for gay couples. Not too long ago, homosexuality was considered a deviant lifestyle, a mental disorder. Now we're told its OK (as a result of the LGBT community's push), but we all know deep down its unnatural. So fourthly, we're being shamed into denying our inner voice, our God given conscience, to accept something we know to be wrong. The more this happens, the worse off we are as a nation.
Look, I'm not saying that being gay is the ultimate sin because, yes, we all sin and fall short of God's glory. But, that's not a reason to continue in sin or call it "good". All sinful behavior hurts those involved and those connected with the person, both on an intimate level and as a society. We were created and designed to relate to God and each other in certain ways and when we deviate from that, its harmful. If you look at gay people, you can see patterns in their upbringing, abuses and missed relationships that steered them toward the homosexual lifestyle. In other people, the same events can steer them toward drug abuse, alcoholism, sleeping around or eating disorders. But whatever the wound, choosing something other than God to bring healing is going to fail and not adequately address the underlying need.
Now, Christians have a responsibility to share the truth and the Gospel. If someone doesn't want to submit to the truth, that's on them, but we have as much right as anyone else to express our views and influence government. Besides, many of our laws are based on the Bible, God's word, and we need that in order to live under a higher authority other than man. Otherwise you have a system designed to support tyranny. Seriously, if we didn't use the Bible for our laws, what would we use? Popular opinion? You can already see how that's shifting and the harm its bringing to our nation. Honestly, justify to me why bestiality and pedophilia are wrong outside the Bible. You can't, because what makes your "morals" better than someone else's? Or what makes your cultural values better than another's? In some countries, the age of consent is 12 or 13. Why would you think they're wrong and the US is right?
It really comes down to people not wanting any moral authority in their lives. People just want to do whatever they want without any accountability. So lying, stealing and such are OK as long as they're the one's doing it and its to their benefit, but the minute someone steals their stuff and gossips about them, THEN its wrong and they have a problem with those actions.
We all start with the same base for good and evil. Its when we start growing up, get hurt and reject God that the problems begin. The more we do that as a people and a nation, the worse off we all are. Gay marriage is just another example of our downward spiral.

Keep your religious bs to yourself

Chilocanth wrote:

There are a few reasons I don't think its good for anyone. First, its calling something God condemns, good. You can just read people's comments and see how they support the gay lifestyle and the relationships that come from it, while rejecting the goodness of God and the lifestyle He designed for us to live. Secondly, since we're rejecting God's design for us as a nation, it brings us under a curse because God won't bless a rebellious and sinful people. So in that since, it effects everyone. Third, its really not good for gay couples. Not too long ago, homosexuality was considered a deviant lifestyle, a mental disorder. Now we're told its OK (as a result of the LGBT community's push), but we all know deep down its unnatural. So fourthly, we're being shamed into denying our inner voice, our God given conscience, to accept something we know to be wrong. The more this happens, the worse off we are as a nation.
Look, I'm not saying that being gay is the ultimate sin because, yes, we all sin and fall short of God's glory. But, that's not a reason to continue in sin or call it "good". All sinful behavior hurts those involved and those connected with the person, both on an intimate level and as a society. We were created and designed to relate to God and each other in certain ways and when we deviate from that, its harmful. If you look at gay people, you can see patterns in their upbringing, abuses and missed relationships that steered them toward the homosexual lifestyle. In other people, the same events can steer them toward drug abuse, alcoholism, sleeping around or eating disorders. But whatever the wound, choosing something other than God to bring healing is going to fail and not adequately address the underlying need.
Now, Christians have a responsibility to share the truth and the Gospel. If someone doesn't want to submit to the truth, that's on them, but we have as much right as anyone else to express our views and influence government. Besides, many of our laws are based on the Bible, God's word, and we need that in order to live under a higher authority other than man. Otherwise you have a system designed to support tyranny. Seriously, if we didn't use the Bible for our laws, what would we use? Popular opinion? You can already see how that's shifting and the harm its bringing to our nation. Honestly, justify to me why bestiality and pedophilia are wrong outside the Bible. You can't, because what makes your "morals" better than someone else's? Or what makes your cultural values better than another's? In some countries, the age of consent is 12 or 13. Why would you think they're wrong and the US is right?
It really comes down to people not wanting any moral authority in their lives. People just want to do whatever they want without any accountability. So lying, stealing and such are OK as long as they're the one's doing it and its to their benefit, but the minute someone steals their stuff and gossips about them, THEN its wrong and they have a problem with those actions.
We all start with the same base for good and evil. Its when we start growing up, get hurt and reject God that the problems begin. The more we do that as a people and a nation, the worse off we all are. Gay marriage is just another example of our downward spiral.

Also I hate people who act like if the bible was not in existence that society would crumble. People are smart enough to make sensible laws for the country without the need to use your fictional book as a basis.

Naw wrote:

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Keep your religious bs to yourself

Also I hate people who act like if the bible was not in existence that society would crumble. People are smart enough to make sensible laws for the country without the need to use your fictional book as a basis.

First off, its not "BS" and second, no. I have as much right to discuss my views as anyone else.

You hate people...nice.

Do you *really* think so? Laws like banning large fountain drinks and patriotic shirts from schools?

You either don't know or don't want to acknowledge the impact the Bible has had on the formation of our society. You're standing on the foundation its provided, then want to act as if we got here without its influence.

As Thomas Jefferson said, men will either be governed by God or ruled by tyrants. Without the guidance and authority of a higher power, we're just being pushed around by the "strongest".

Did you even think about what I wrote or just immediately attack?

Chilocanth wrote:

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First off, its not "BS" and second, no. I have as much right to discuss my views as anyone else.
You hate people...nice.
Do you *really* think so? Laws like banning large fountain drinks and patriotic shirts from schools?
You either don't know or don't want to acknowledge the impact the Bible has had on the formation of our society. You're standing on the foundation its provided, then want to act as if we got here without its influence.
As Thomas Jefferson said, men will either be governed by God or ruled by tyrants. Without the guidance and authority of a higher power, we're just being pushed around by the "strongest".
Did you even think about what I wrote or just immediately attack?

Thomas Jefferson quote for you

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."

You may want to find another founding father to quote as Thomas Jefferson talks alot of negative things about christianity. You can find quotes where he says he was a materialist and that he did not believe that jesus was the son of god as well.

He wasn't christian :)

Regardless the bible is useless to society and the younger generation is showing, in numbers, that what im saying is true. As the older generations die off the younger generation is taking power. Look up the many recent articles if you want but atheism is growing in numbers for people under 30. Christianity's numbers aren't growing but they will soon be falling :)

gay men are fine, but lezbeans really creep me out