Nuclear Power Debate - Asheville, NC

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MeMeMe

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Mar 24, 2011
 
It's smart.
Ghost Dog

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Mar 24, 2011
 
What is "smart"? Building a ticking time bomb such as a nuclear reactor which produces a radioactive waste product that can destroy every living thing on earth, from a tadpole to a Giant Redwood? What is "smart" about that? Nuclear energy requires 24/7 expensive care and security, forever! NC has the world's largest nuclear spent fuel rod Pool in the world, 20 miles southwest of Raleigh. Sometimes the water boils and they are now having to increase the level of the reservoir that supplies water to the "POOL" by 20 feet because of the fluctuation levels during drought periods. Why does Progress energy run such a waste dump? Money! The crisis in Japan is a "bird in the mine" moment for US. We now have 104 of these time bombs in the USA and plans for building another 200+ so that when they are complete, there will be nowhere in the USA safe from radiation poisioning. The Germans are destroying/shutting down all of theirs and resorting to solar power, great idea! How many solar panels would the cost of one nuclear plant buy? How much does it cost to build a hydro electric plant vs. a nuclear plant. People can install a water powered generator turbine in a stream and produce more energy than they can use, many sell the excess to power plants. Wow, why don't we install those along the streams, don't even need a dam! Better ways to generate power other than Nuking US! Coal, gas, oil are better. All that a nuke plant does is heat water to steam to turn turbines anyway, even diesel/biofuel generators produce electricity, fuel them with deep fryer oil. NO NUKES! What does a nuke plant cost?$200 Billion to start! Then its expensive forever!
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Mar 24, 2011
 
malibu insainers

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Mar 24, 2011
 
Ghost Dog wrote:
What is "smart"? Building a ticking time bomb such as a nuclear reactor which produces a radioactive waste product that can destroy every living thing on earth, from a tadpole to a Giant Redwood? What is "smart" about that? Nuclear energy requires 24/7 expensive care and security, forever! NC has the world's largest nuclear spent fuel rod Pool in the world, 20 miles southwest of Raleigh. Sometimes the water boils and they are now having to increase the level of the reservoir that supplies water to the "POOL" by 20 feet because of the fluctuation levels during drought periods. Why does Progress energy run such a waste dump? Money! The crisis in Japan is a "bird in the mine" moment for US. We now have 104 of these time bombs in the USA and plans for building another 200+ so that when they are complete, there will be nowhere in the USA safe from radiation poisioning. The Germans are destroying/shutting down all of theirs and resorting to solar power, great idea! How many solar panels would the cost of one nuclear plant buy? How much does it cost to build a hydro electric plant vs. a nuclear plant. People can install a water powered generator turbine in a stream and produce more energy than they can use, many sell the excess to power plants. Wow, why don't we install those along the streams, don't even need a dam! Better ways to generate power other than Nuking US! Coal, gas, oil are better. All that a nuke plant does is heat water to steam to turn turbines anyway, even diesel/biofuel generators produce electricity, fuel them with deep fryer oil. NO NUKES! What does a nuke plant cost?$200 Billion to start! Then its expensive forever!
And what about accidents from coal? Every energy source has potential for tragedy. Coal slurries and mine accidents have killed many people. Gasoline has caused accidents on the road, just from the simple fact that it enables people to drive a car. The list goes on and on. Gray days and large holes in the landscape that are large enough to swallow a car in Hazard Kentucky are the results of coal mining

Throughout the years man has always managed to keep warm. Burning wood could result in a forest fire if the fire is not watched.

Did lighting a fire in a forest under the stars ever keep man from driving off the chill and enjoying a romantic moment with his girl?

When filling up his car does man think that gasoline results in twenty to thirty thousand deaths each year from traffic accidents?

Remember what you were taught in algebra; there are two sides to an equation.
Ghost Dog

Franklin, NC

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Mar 24, 2011
 
They are not safe, not efficient, forever polluting, poisonous and hazardous forever and always giving off radiation. Their waste has to be stored forever and is always a liability and danger for anyone within 50=100 miles of the Pool of spent rods. The cannot be insured because of their unpredictability and catostrophic capacity.
Ghost Dog

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Mar 24, 2011
 
malibu insainers wrote:
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And what about accidents from coal? Every energy source has potential for tragedy. Coal slurries and mine accidents have killed many people. Gasoline has caused accidents on the road, just from the simple fact that it enables people to drive a car. The list goes on and on. Gray days and large holes in the landscape that are large enough to swallow a car in Hazard Kentucky are the results of coal mining
Throughout the years man has always managed to keep warm. Burning wood could result in a forest fire if the fire is not watched.
Did lighting a fire in a forest under the stars ever keep man from driving off the chill and enjoying a romantic moment with his girl?
When filling up his car does man think that gasoline results in twenty to thirty thousand deaths each year from traffic accidents?
Remember what you were taught in algebra; there are two sides to an equation.
The "nuclear" equation is invisible, lasts forever and there is no cure for radiation poisoning. The problems with coal mining are corporate caused for the most part, safety has never been a concern of the coal owners and they have always cut corners with protection of their workers and the environment, ie, the recent cave in where 29 miners died because the A-Hole of an owner cut corners to make more money for himself. When the miners asked for simple safety gear and fixes, they were threatened with being fired. It was, "you want to work, shutup!" That is the Repuglican way and why they want to go back to how America was before 1934! Nuclear can never be made safe but for a moment, all it takes is for one disgruntled worker to cause a deadly catastrophy that cannot be cleaned up, only buried but then you can't live within 50 miles of it and then the groundwater may be destroyed forever.

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Just days before the Japanese earthquake Duke Energy extended a 10-Million $ loan to Obama's re-election convention committee.
I'm sure this had absolutely nothing to do with Duke negotiating with federal officials on subsidies to build a 4 TH. nuclear plant.
Mike Stegall

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Ok let's look at the alternatives:

WIND---unreliable---wind turbines cost a lot, are big an unsightly (would you want one in your neighborhood?) and make noise. Wind speed and direction varies a great deal. Sometimes there is no discernible wind meaning no power is generated.

SOLAR--Somewhat unreliable depending on the sky conditions. Solar panels large enough to supply an average US city would cover roughly 27 acres of land. That would make it cost prohibitive for over 97% of US cities. It is being used on a limited scale in the cities of the desert SW US. It has been suggested that all public buildings be fitted with solar panels so that each would create it's own energy. Good idea except when it rains or the sky is cloudy. Good idea but who foots the bill? Solar panels aren't cheap!

WATER-HYDROELECTRIC--Works great but how many rivers can be successfully dammed that aren't already dammed? What about arid climates where there aren't dammable rivers? Construction of new dams for large rivers would be dangerous, take years and run into the billions of dollars. The eco system of rivers would be damaged.

THAT LEAVES either burning of fossil fuels or nuclear.

Burning coal, natural gas and other fossil fuels puts CO2 and other gases in the air that we breathe. The cost of fossils fuels continue to rise. It is very expensive, dangerous and dirty to mine coal. It is even more expensive to drill for oil and natural gas.

THAT LEAVES NUCLEAR as the cheapest most reliable source of electric generation. Granted, it can be dangerous but with modern safeguards accidents are rare. As someone has pointed out storage of spent nuclear fuel can be dangerous but modern technology has been countering that with new ways of reprocessing U238 into fissionable U235 and better and safer storage facilities.

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Mr. Stegall,
Your points re: nuclear power are valid.
But, can we trust any utility company to build/operate the safest plant available? Their track record of cutting all corners to maximize profits doesn't inspire much confidence.
Can we trust any governmental agency to do their job monitoring these plants? I don't.......
Ghost Dog

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Jim Greenwood wrote:
Just days before the Japanese earthquake Duke Energy extended a 10-Million $ loan to Obama's re-election convention committee.
I'm sure this had absolutely nothing to do with Duke negotiating with federal officials on subsidies to build a 4 TH. nuclear plant.
Another LIE! Duke Energy did not loan "Obama's re-election committee" any money, "0" dollars. They did extend a line of credit for $10 Million to the Democratic National Committee for nationwide election activities! In the 2009-2010 elections, Duke gave $778,075 to all candidates, total! Obama was not in the top 5 recipients. John Boener was!
Mike Stegall

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Mar 25, 2011
 
It's interesting to me that Ghost Dog and indeed all critics of nuclear power are quick to declare it "unsafe" but yet, they offer no clear alternative to nuclear power that can provide the same or anywhere near the kilowatts per hour at such a low cost.

The answer is that like it or not, nuclear power is the only answer to supplying the nations demands at present. Without it nearly 60% of the Eastern US grid would go black.

Electric power in the US is produced by publicly held utility companies which are regulated by the US government. Some of the utility companies are using alternative sources of generation where feasible. In most cases alternative sources just won't produce the kilowatts necessary to meet demand, are unreliable or are cost prohibitive.

Again, I ask of the critics...if not nuclear then what? What source can produce the mega kilowatts needed to meet demand, be reliable in all types of weather and atmospheric conditions and not have a negative effect on our air and water? What source can meet those demands without bankrupting the utility companies?

PLEASE Don't just attack with criticism, whether grounded or imagined. Propose an answer to this problem!

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Mr. Stegall,
For the time being, there is no viable alternative to nuclear power. There's no doubt the plants will eventually be built.
All we can do is hope and pray that the nightmare in Japan isn't repeated elsewhere.
Evil Wind Power

Asheville, NC

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Mar 25, 2011
 
"...How about wind power? How does it fare compared to the perfect record of the American nuclear power industry? Believe it or not, there is an organization, the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum, that keeps data on wind-power-related accidents and/or design problems. Caithness is based in Great Britain, where homeowners have already grown tired of the noise and other wind-turbine-generated problems. Their "Summary of Wind Turbine Accident Data to 31 December 2008" reports 41 worker fatalities. Most, not unexpectedly, were from falling as they are typically working on turbines some thirty stories above the ground. In addition, Caithness attributed the deaths of 16 members of the public to wind-turbine accidents...."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-3...

Nuclear is the way forward. Period. If one believes otherwise they are as dumb as Ghost Dung.
Ghost Dog

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Evil Wind Power wrote:
"...How about wind power? How does it fare compared to the perfect record of the American nuclear power industry? Believe it or not, there is an organization, the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum, that keeps data on wind-power-related accidents and/or design problems. Caithness is based in Great Britain, where homeowners have already grown tired of the noise and other wind-turbine-generated problems. Their "Summary of Wind Turbine Accident Data to 31 December 2008" reports 41 worker fatalities. Most, not unexpectedly, were from falling as they are typically working on turbines some thirty stories above the ground. In addition, Caithness attributed the deaths of 16 members of the public to wind-turbine accidents...."
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-3...
Nuclear is the way forward. Period. If one believes otherwise they are as dumb as Ghost Dung.
The "perfect record of the nuclear industry"? Damn, you are clueless, uninformed and ignorant! There are accidents, leaks and other problems with nukes daily, have been since the inception and Three-Mile is not the most dangerous of the accidents, go back to the 50's/60's. If some ignorant, clumsy redneck doesn't use his safety equipment when working at high altitudes and falls, well, thats his fault! Nukes are dangerous from the moment the fuel is brought in and that does not include the construction accidents that happen with any construction job. Nuclear power is right now, the most expensive form of electrical power generation and that does not include the "forever" storage/radiation problems where the costs will continue to rise. No insurance company will insure them and that alone tells their safety profile!
Mike Stegall

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Like I said folks, Ghost Dog doesn't have an answer to my question. All he's doing is complaining, moaning and groaning, bytching and whining.

He can't come up with a way to produce electricity in the quantities needed to meet demand. He's just throwing criticism and insults around.

Maybe he doesn't need electricity!

He stated earlier that his income was "barely above the poverty level". I know people like that who have no motivation and no drive to succeed. They blame everyone else for their problems, especially the "evil" government. I'm not saying Ghost Dog is like that but the story about being "barely above the poverty level" rings a familiar bell.
Ghost Dog

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Mike Stegall wrote:
Like I said folks, Ghost Dog doesn't have an answer to my question. All he's doing is complaining, moaning and groaning, bytching and whining.
He can't come up with a way to produce electricity in the quantities needed to meet demand. He's just throwing criticism and insults around.
Maybe he doesn't need electricity!
He stated earlier that his income was "barely above the poverty level". I know people like that who have no motivation and no drive to succeed. They blame everyone else for their problems, especially the "evil" government. I'm not saying Ghost Dog is like that but the story about being "barely above the poverty level" rings a familiar bell.
I don't know who you are referring to but my "income" is not fixed and is way above any poverty level in the world. I haven't worked for over 10 years. My last job was in Toronto, Canada and that was over 8 years after I retired from the US Army. So, fabricate something else, that is all you are good at! As to producing more energy than nuclear plants, that could be done with solar panels as is being done in Germany right now as they close down all of their Nuke plants. Even Brazil is shifting to solar energy and they have perfected ethenol use for energy. Nuclear energy is a stupid form of energy, unless you are on an uninhabited planet but then why would you need energy!
Evil Wind Power

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Mar 25, 2011
 
Ghost Dog wrote:
<quoted text>The "perfect record of the nuclear industry"? Damn, you are clueless, uninformed and ignorant! There are accidents, leaks and other problems with nukes daily, have been since the inception and Three-Mile is not the most dangerous of the accidents, go back to the 50's/60's. If some ignorant, clumsy redneck doesn't use his safety equipment when working at high altitudes and falls, well, thats his fault! Nukes are dangerous from the moment the fuel is brought in and that does not include the construction accidents that happen with any construction job. Nuclear power is right now, the most expensive form of electrical power generation and that does not include the "forever" storage/radiation problems where the costs will continue to rise. No insurance company will insure them and that alone tells their safety profile!
and that is precisely why an idiot like you could never work in the nuclear industry.

Homer Simpson, the original nuclear idiot, is far more qualified than you to just blow his nose. What a jack-leg douche you are. Do you live under a rock? Are you psychotic? Reading your posts is painful as you are a complete idiot. I can't elaborate further because, dayum, you're a f'n moron. Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?

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Mar 26, 2011
 
But yet all nay sayers fail to look at the sun which is the most powerful and safest nuclear object in the world, made by none other than God himself.
Ghost Dog

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Mar 26, 2011
 
fastsam wrote:
But yet all nay sayers fail to look at the sun which is the most powerful and safest nuclear object in the world, made by none other than God himself.
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, "the sun which is the most powerful and safest nuclear object in the world", heh, heh, heh, where did you get your scientific edumication? Heh, heh, heh, "the sun is on earth/the world", thats really great, we must be some fireproof MF'rs! When did the sun go nuclear, it's made up of hydrogen and some other gases and will eventually burn out. Oh, doesn't over exposure to the sun's rays cause skin cancer? Did you get your knowledge from Professor Beck? Heh, heh, heh! Is the earth/world still Flat, Beck thinks it is?
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Mar 26, 2011
 
Oh, FYI, the sun is approx 75 percent Hydrogen, 23 percent Helium and the remainder, some heavy elements and Oxygen. There are no known radioactive elements, no Uranium, no Cesium, no Plutonium, etc. in the sun, heh, heh, heh, you can do as Sgt. Pepper says, "google it"!

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