Marijuana Debate - Van Buren, MO

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#1
Aug 23, 2010
 
tax it save money being wasted on prisoners
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Wentzville, MO

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#2
Aug 23, 2010
 
Marijuana is the third most popular recreational drug in America (behind only alcohol and tobacco), and has been used by nearly 100 million Americans. According to government surveys, some 25 million Americans have smoked marijuana in the past year, and more than 14 million do so regularly despite harsh laws against its use. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.

Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health.... It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat ... than alcohol or tobacco."
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Ellington, MO

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#3
Aug 24, 2010
 
I find it hard to believe that it is not harmful to inhale smoke of any kind. Many people died as a result of using wood heat over their lifetimes. Any amount of smoke in the lungs for extended periods has to be harmful.

I am not sure if it should be legalized, but I am positive that the laws are much too strict on the average pothead. It's a money making deal for the law. Why would they want or need to change what they are already doing. It would probably cut deep into currently lined pockets.
Wingwalker

Poplar Bluff, MO

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Under the laws of fifteen states, you can get a life sentence for a nonviolent marijuana offense. And the average sentence for a convicted murder in this country is about six years. In the state of California, the average prison sentence for a convicted killer is about 3.3 years. So that enormous discrepancy between how violent crimes tend to be treated and how some nonviolent drug crimes are treated points to a very irrational impulse in this country to punish when it comes to marijuana.
Recently the British Medical Journal, The Lancet declared that smoking cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. Now, it is a very strong intoxicant and there are all kinds of reasons why young people shouldn't be smoking pot.

But given that hundreds of people died every year in this country from non-prescription medicines, like aspirin and various antihistamines, and given that an estimated 300,000 die from tobacco and over 100,000 from alcohol, it is clear that a concern for public health is not behind these strict punishments for marijuana.
Since the early years of last century, the war on marijuana has been much more of a war on the sort of people who smoke it, be they Mexicans or blacks or jazz musicians or beatniks or hippies or hip-hop artists. It's really been a war on nonconformists and the laws against marijuana have been used as a way of reasserting what are seen as traditional American values.
Any Number

London, KY

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#5
Aug 24, 2010
 
Typical Marijuana Side Effects:
Enhanced cancer risk
Decrease in testosterone levels and lower sperm counts for men
Increase in testosterone levels for women and increased risk of infertility
Diminished or extinguished sexual pleasure
Psychological dependence requiring more of the drug to get the same effect
Sleepiness
Difficulty keeping track of time, impaired or reduced short-term memory
Reduced ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination,
such as driving a car
Increased heart rate
Potential cardiac dangers for those with preexisting heart disease
Bloodshot eyes
Dry mouth and throat
Decreased social inhibitions
Paranoia, hallucinations
Impaired or reduced short-term memory
Impaired or reduced comprehension
Altered motivation and cognition, making the acquisition of new information difficult
Paranoia
Psychological dependence
Impairments in learning and memory, perception, and judgment - difficulty
speaking, listening effectively, thinking, retaining knowledge, problem solving,
and forming concepts
Intense anxiety or panic attacks
ozark howler

Santa Monica, CA

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#6
Aug 24, 2010
 
any number your full of it. you have mixed a few true ones w/many lies. i'll point out only a few:
1. helps cure cancer
2. makes me horny.
3. increases sexual pleasure.
4. same amount gets me high.
5. yes, impaired short term memory. but short term only.
6. increases my ability to ride a motor. been doin it over 30 years ! perfect record.
7. increased social inhibitions.
8. some of the rest are true only while "stoned" and wear off in a few hours. if the effects did not wear off then why would you need to smoke some more? lastly, most people have read my posts and know i am a rebel. i think that is a main reason why the united nations keeps pot illegal.
ozark howler

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#7
Aug 24, 2010
 
.... one last point. most important. maryjane increases a person's ability of perception, judgement, problem solving, listening effectively, and especially increases and enhances a person's ability to quickly grasp, form, understand and solve complex abstract concepts. why the hell you think people like it ?
Wingwalker

Poplar Bluff, MO

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Any Number wrote:
Typical Marijuana Side Effects:
Enhanced cancer risk
Decrease in testosterone levels and lower sperm counts for men
Increase in testosterone levels for women and increased risk of infertility
Diminished or extinguished sexual pleasure
Psychological dependence requiring more of the drug to get the same effect
Sleepiness
Difficulty keeping track of time, impaired or reduced short-term memory
Reduced ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination,
such as driving a car
Increased heart rate
Potential cardiac dangers for those with preexisting heart disease
Bloodshot eyes
Dry mouth and throat
Decreased social inhibitions
Paranoia, hallucinations
Impaired or reduced short-term memory
Impaired or reduced comprehension
Altered motivation and cognition, making the acquisition of new information difficult
Paranoia
Psychological dependence
Impairments in learning and memory, perception, and judgment - difficulty
speaking, listening effectively, thinking, retaining knowledge, problem solving,
and forming concepts
Intense anxiety or panic attacks
I would strongly advise against your use of the evil weed, since it is SO dangerous. I just heard 77-year-old Willie Nelson talkin' about changing over to a vaporizer cause it's so hard on his health...
yankee

Flint, MI

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#9
Aug 24, 2010
 
I have lived in vanBuren,mo for fifteen years.Im from michigan.Marajuana is legal in 18 states for medical reasons.Im glad i left van buren now my family, me and my children will be millionars growing for the state of michigan.You can go up the road and buy pot here just like oranges out of the supermarket.If i would have stayed on m-highway I would still be poor wondering where my next dollar came from.
I8URGRL

Ozark, MO

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#10
Aug 24, 2010
 
Marijuana, contains alot of the same toxic carcinogens that cigarettes do. If you inhale carcinogens it stands to reason you are at a higher risk of developing lung, throat and mouth cancer. It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure that out. Also, weed users tend to hold the smoke that they inhale, in longer then cigarette smoker do, so that could make them at a higher risk for lung, throat and mouth cancer.
No matter what anyone says that Marijuana has no long term effects, is an absolute lie. The studies are still out for long term health issues with the use of Marijuana, so to say it wont hurt you what so ever is just idiotic. That's why in my above statment I do not say that use of Marijuana will cause those things, it just puts you at a higer risk for those things. The only thing we can use is logic right now and the rest is still up in the air. I do find it odd though with Marijuana being around as long as it has that there isn't a deffinitive answer one way or the other on the issue.
closet toker

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Aug 24, 2010
 
I8URGRL wrote:
Marijuana, contains alot of the same toxic carcinogens that cigarettes do. If you inhale carcinogens it stands to reason you are at a higher risk of developing lung, throat and mouth cancer. It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure that out. Also, weed users tend to hold the smoke that they inhale, in longer then cigarette smoker do, so that could make them at a higher risk for lung, throat and mouth cancer.
No matter what anyone says that Marijuana has no long term effects, is an absolute lie. The studies are still out for long term health issues with the use of Marijuana, so to say it wont hurt you what so ever is just idiotic. That's why in my above statment I do not say that use of Marijuana will cause those things, it just puts you at a higer risk for those things. The only thing we can use is logic right now and the rest is still up in the air. I do find it odd though with Marijuana being around as long as it has that there isn't a deffinitive answer one way or the other on the issue.
In a Costa Rican study, it was found that chronic marijuana smokers who also smoked cigarettes were less likely to develop cancer than cigarette smokers who didnít use marijuana. Since marijuana (smoking, as well as ingestion by other methods) dilates the alveoli, toxins are more easily eliminated with cannabis use regardless of its method of application. Nicotine, on the other hand, constricts the alveoli, so it is likely that the use of cannabis neutralizes, or even overwhelms the constriction, by its own tendency to dilation ...As an aid for all psychosomatic disease, marijuana can benefit the participant, generally because of its health-restoring effects...
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Aug 24, 2010
 
Any Number wrote:
Typical Marijuana Side Effects:
Enhanced cancer risk
Decrease in testosterone levels and lower sperm counts for men
Increase in testosterone levels for women and increased risk of infertility
Diminished or extinguished sexual pleasure
Psychological dependence requiring more of the drug to get the same effect
Sleepiness
Difficulty keeping track of time, impaired or reduced short-term memory
Reduced ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination,
such as driving a car
Increased heart rate
Potential cardiac dangers for those with preexisting heart disease
Bloodshot eyes
Dry mouth and throat
Decreased social inhibitions
Paranoia, hallucinations
Impaired or reduced short-term memory
Impaired or reduced comprehension
Altered motivation and cognition, making the acquisition of new information difficult
Paranoia
Psychological dependence
Impairments in learning and memory, perception, and judgment - difficulty
speaking, listening effectively, thinking, retaining knowledge, problem solving,
and forming concepts
Intense anxiety or panic attacks
I just LOVE it when someone who has clearly never tried Marijuana feels compelled to copy and paste some bullshit.Let me guess you got that off of a Government site.

I do not drink alchohol or do hard drugs and see no harm in having a couple of tokes after work.

Marijuana is no more harmful to the body than red meat.Maybe we should sent people away for 15 years for eating a ribeye!Bottom line is I am an adult who has the right to make choices that affect only me.
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Ellington, MO

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Aug 24, 2010
 
closet toker wrote:
<quoted text>I just LOVE it when someone who has clearly never tried Marijuana feels compelled to copy and paste some bullshit.Let me guess you got that off of a Government site.
I do not drink alchohol or do hard drugs and see no harm in having a couple of tokes after work.
Marijuana is no more harmful to the body than red meat.Maybe we should sent people away for 15 years for eating a ribeye!Bottom line is I am an adult who has the right to make choices that affect only me.
I had to laugh at a few of those myself.
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#15
Aug 24, 2010
 
I do have an issue with how people obtain pot.

Much of the product is imported from the South, which means that any amount you may purchase also aids Cartels, among other unsavory factions. If people were allowed to grow their own, this would cut out the need to purchase outside the USA. I would rather support our government (lesser of the evils) with income than give it to dangerous groups.
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#16
Aug 24, 2010
 
if marajuana causes all these health problems than why are we growing it for medical reasons? you need to start another topic.you all are uneducated hillbillys!or dumb billys of the hill!Did you not get it? legal in 18 states!

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Aug 24, 2010
 
unclog the legal system and generate tax money for government.
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Aug 24, 2010
 
yankee wrote:
if marajuana causes all these health problems than why are we growing it for medical reasons? you need to start another topic.you all are uneducated hillbillys!or dumb billys of the hill!Did you not get it? legal in 18 states!
I am very proud to be an educated hillbilly. Please keep your yankee ass up north.
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#19
Aug 24, 2010
 
i've grown about four indoor crops of about 20 plants so far. woulda grown full time except you gotta hang around when you're farmin. i think the drug war has become self driven by the infinite supply of tax payer money that funds it. were essentially funding a war against ourselves. make pot legal and the war w/be over. i don't use no air filter. iain't worried bout cali pigs.

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Aug 24, 2010
 
It's less dangerous and it might lower crime since everyone would be too stoned and lazy to do anything. Also makes people calmer.

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Makes people too lazy to commit as much crime.

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