Marijuana Debate - El Paso, TX

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“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#1 Aug 24, 2010
We don't need anymore intoxicants running around.
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#2 Aug 24, 2010
We already have the intoxicants. The choice is what we do about it. Treat the problme or continue making the problem profitable?

This society uses WAY too many drugs. Decriminalize, treat addicts, and fight the drug problem rather than profit from it.

The "war on drugs" has failed miserably. Do what is right and legalize. There is no other way to approach the problem.
Infectia Svyrus

United States

#3 Aug 24, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
We already have the intoxicants. The choice is what we do about it. Treat the problme or continue making the problem profitable?
This society uses WAY too many drugs. Decriminalize, treat addicts, and fight the drug problem rather than profit from it.
The "war on drugs" has failed miserably. Do what is right and legalize. There is no other way to approach the problem.
Blow those pot fumes, honey!

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#4 Aug 24, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
We already have the intoxicants. The choice is what we do about it. Treat the problme or continue making the problem profitable?
This society uses WAY too many drugs. Decriminalize, treat addicts, and fight the drug problem rather than profit from it.
The "war on drugs" has failed miserably. Do what is right and legalize. There is no other way to approach the problem.
when you don't fight to win, you are doomed to failure.
_Arrrrrrr

San Francisco, CA

#5 Aug 24, 2010
Yes marijuana should be legalized,I've smoke it most of my life on and off and for medical purposes and it has it's benefits.
End Prohibition and stop making excuses to create fines and throw more people into prisons over a harmless weed.
How many people die of cigarette smoking each year how many people get killed by drunk drivers every year?
Few words of advise, dont mix weed with other substances such as booze, because then it becomes a cocktail and the consequences can be unpredictable.
Stay home and relax and smoke freely but beware of snitches.
Pot alone is fine and harmless and is mind soothing.
_Arrrrrrr

San Francisco, CA

#6 Aug 24, 2010
chief22 wrote:
We don't need anymore intoxicants running around.
When you move out of El Paso chief it will be free of one more intoxicant parasite.
And besides you aint no chief you are a pedophile I told you that since you posted in the old forum.
chiefs profile:
rebublican
minuteman
skinhead
old fart
and false claim of being a warrant officer.
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#7 Aug 24, 2010
chief22 wrote:
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when you don't fight to win, you are doomed to failure.
And if you stop fighting the symptom and start fighting the cause you wil win.

If you stop feeding the enemy and start feeding the cure you will win.

It has worked in every country that has done it. We have the worst problems in the US and are the ONLY developed country that has not figured it out yet.

To be more specific, we are the only developed country that is neck deep in teh drug trade and so joined at teh hip to the billions a year in drug money that we CANT adopt a workable policy.

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#8 Aug 24, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
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And if you stop fighting the symptom and start fighting the cause you wil win.
If you stop feeding the enemy and start feeding the cure you will win.
It has worked in every country that has done it. We have the worst problems in the US and are the ONLY developed country that has not figured it out yet.
To be more specific, we are the only developed country that is neck deep in teh drug trade and so joined at teh hip to the billions a year in drug money that we CANT adopt a workable policy.
you fight the symptom, the cause and those who oppose you, then you win.
_Arrrrrrr

San Francisco, CA

#9 Aug 24, 2010
chief22 wrote:
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you fight the symptom, the cause and those who oppose you, then you win.
FART!
Rey

AOL

#10 Aug 24, 2010
Cartels would only undersell thwe legalized vendors and will not end the violence or drug smuggling.
Rey

AOL

#11 Aug 24, 2010
The cartel would only undersell the legalized vendors and only turn to increased smuggling of other drugs.
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#12 Aug 24, 2010
chief22 wrote:
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you fight the symptom, the cause and those who oppose you, then you win.
Then why after 40 years of "the war on drugs" is there more drugs now than there were before? Why are the cartels stronger and effectively destabilizing whole countries? Why is the addiction rate much higher now after 40 years of "war"?

The largest business in America is drugs. It is #1 in EVERY state. How could that be if our strategy is working at all?

Now look at all the countries that have tried decriminalization. It has worked. Across the board. Addicts are getting treatment instead of jail tereby reducing dealing and sales. Campaigns to win hearts and minds are being initiated and kids are refusing drugs in other countries and use is going DOWN.

We did it with cigarettes and it worked well. But this is only because we could make laws and CONTROL the situation. When you have prohibition you cant control any aspect of the problem. The main reason kids START is because it is ILLEGAL. It is REBELLION. We are selling that and making a brand new generation of abusers.

Marijuana, cocaine, herion, and meth are readily available in every community in New Mexico. Even the towns without gasoline pumps, grocery stores or pharmacies. But if you want a cigarette or a beer you are going to have to go to the controlled sales outlet and get it. This is why 99% of all school children will tell you that they can get a joint faster than a beer or a cigarette. This is a direct benefit of prohibition...NO CONTROL.

Already the price of US marijuana is plumeting because of the situation in California. Growers cant sell their product and they are stopping because there is no PROFIT in it anymore. Only when it is ILLEGAL is a plant that is as worthless as a tumbleweed in high demand. Whenever law enforcement make a big bust the price GOES UP. More people become involved. More drugs are produced. It is simple supply and demand.

Prohibition has not worked here, nor anywhere else. We have the worst drug problme because we apply the least logic and continue to support a failing policy decade after decade. We do everything that makes the problem worse and NEVER do we dare to reduce the pofits of the underworld or attempt to kep our children off drugs.

Want the same results as the last 40 years? Keep doing what we are doing!
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#13 Aug 24, 2010
Rey wrote:
The cartel would only undersell the legalized vendors and only turn to increased smuggling of other drugs.
Cartel pot is $60 per ounce today.

Legal medical marijuana is $350 per ounce today.

No one except school kids and urban poor smoke cheap cartel pot.

It is ALREADY less than 1/4 the price of American weed yet American grown weed commands 70% of the market.

So tell us how the cartel is going to undersell American grown pot and continue to do business?

Your analogy is this...If there is a cheap $300 Ford Pinto for sale in the paper, no one will buy $75,0000 Mercedes Benz autos because ther eis a cheaper product on the market.

Ripple wine is $3.00 a bottle. Fine French wine is $300 per bottle. Your analogy states that as long as there is a bottle of Riple on the shelf no one will buy fine French wine.

Your argument simply does not hold up. Americans dont buy the cheap crap...never have. They want quality and this is why American Sinsemilla controls the market and will push the Mexican crap out if legalized. Just like in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY THAT HAS DONE IT.

Since: Jun 10

El Paso, TX

#14 Aug 24, 2010
I disagree that pot is harmless.
I disagree that pot does not lead to other drugs
I disagree that pot has great positive effects on users.

And...if for any of the above reasons you think pot should be legalized I disagree with you.

However, legalizing pot for the purposes of truly regulating it and harvesting a bounty in taxes has become the only alternative to kill the monster we created by forbiding people from it. People want to use it. It's not harmless, it can lead to other drug use and it can cause ill effects on the emotions, on affect and even on brain health (particularly those with pre existing mental health problems). However, the same can be said of alcohol. I think we have to give this one to the user.

More on this appears at www.howpaso.com

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#15 Aug 24, 2010
DawsonC wrote:
I disagree that pot is harmless.
I disagree that pot does not lead to other drugs
I disagree that pot has great positive effects on users.
And...if for any of the above reasons you think pot should be legalized I disagree with you.
However, legalizing pot for the purposes of truly regulating it and harvesting a bounty in taxes has become the only alternative to kill the monster we created by forbiding people from it. People want to use it. It's not harmless, it can lead to other drug use and it can cause ill effects on the emotions, on affect and even on brain health (particularly those with pre existing mental health problems). However, the same can be said of alcohol. I think we have to give this one to the user.
More on this appears at www.howpaso.com
I have heard that the drug violence in Juarez is spilling over into El Paso. I do not know to what extent legalizing pot will diffuse the problem but it can't hurt.

As far as pot being a 'gateway drug', I believe it is the exposure to the underworld rather than the pot itself that leads to stupid choices.

For what it's worth, I once substituted pot for cigarettes in order to quit smoking. When I realized I was a little more dazed than I was comfortable with I just quit. No cold turkey, no withdrawal, no nothing. Bummer, I'm addicted to nicotine again. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
_Arrrrrrr

Fremont, CA

#17 Aug 24, 2010
DawsonC wrote:
I disagree that pot is harmless.
I disagree that pot does not lead to other drugs
I disagree that pot has great positive effects on users.
And...if for any of the above reasons you think pot should be legalized I disagree with you.
However, legalizing pot for the purposes of truly regulating it and harvesting a bounty in taxes has become the only alternative to kill the monster we created by forbiding people from it. People want to use it. It's not harmless, it can lead to other drug use and it can cause ill effects on the emotions, on affect and even on brain health (particularly those with pre existing mental health problems). However, the same can be said of alcohol. I think we have to give this one to the user.
More on this appears at www.howpaso.com
Pot does not lead to oher drugs, most people that do other drugs dont like pot, you disagree about everything that has to do with pot.
Have you ever smoke it once? probably not therefore your'e paranoid.
_Arrrrrrr

Fremont, CA

#18 Aug 24, 2010
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I have heard that the drug violence in Juarez is spilling over into El Paso. I do not know to what extent legalizing pot will diffuse the problem but it can't hurt.
As far as pot being a 'gateway drug', I believe it is the exposure to the underworld rather than the pot itself that leads to stupid choices.
For what it's worth, I once substituted pot for cigarettes in order to quit smoking. When I realized I was a little more dazed than I was comfortable with I just quit. No cold turkey, no withdrawal, no nothing. Bummer, I'm addicted to nicotine again. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Theres no violence spill over in El Paso from Juarez, just a couple of stray bullets and you seem to have jumped from the frying pan into the flames switched pot for cigarettes looks like you lose, your'e stuck with smoking cigarettes a very harmful choice.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#19 Aug 24, 2010
_Arrrrrrr wrote:
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Theres no violence spill over in El Paso from Juarez, just a couple of stray bullets and you seem to have jumped from the frying pan into the flames switched pot for cigarettes looks like you lose, your'e stuck with smoking cigarettes a very harmful choice.
I was 'clean' for three years and felt great. One puff on a cigarette and I was screwed again.

I know some regular dope smokers who like being in a daze all the time. It's not for me. If my arthritis gets much worse, though, I would consider going to the street vendors.

“UofMichFan Sux”

Since: Jul 10

COX

#20 Aug 24, 2010
I'm stoned right now. Support legalized weed. A mind is a terrible thing....
_Arrrrrrr

Fremont, CA

#21 Aug 24, 2010
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I was 'clean' for three years and felt great. One puff on a cigarette and I was screwed again.
I know some regular dope smokers who like being in a daze all the time. It's not for me. If my arthritis gets much worse, though, I would consider going to the street vendors.
If you have arthritis dont you qualify for medical marijuana?
It's better than buying it off the streets I would say, unless you have a good connection.

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