Immigration Debate - Los Angeles, CA

NY Gay wrote:

<quoted text> Yep, the ICE workers also get their nice paycheck courtesy of the American taxpayer! Lots of green stamps going around.

We need them, they are doing a job that illegal aliens are unwilling to do, deport.

spytheweb wrote:

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We need them, they are doing a job that illegal aliens are unwilling to do, deport.

LOL!! Not too many jobs that illegal aliens won't do, but quite a few jobs that Americans aren't too willing to do!

NY Gay wrote:

<quoted text> LOL!! Not too many jobs that illegal aliens won't do, but quite a few jobs that Americans aren't too willing to do!

It's illegal for illegal aliens to do any jobs.

They won't do the job of improving their country so they don't have to sneak out.

NY Gay wrote:

<quoted text> LOL!! Not too many jobs that illegal aliens won't do, but quite a few jobs that Americans aren't too willing to do!

Name one.

naver

Rogerg wrote:

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Name one.

Picking vegetables.

Anyone who thinks illegals have it made here are crazy.Most have a low standard of living.Many also send a large amount of their money back to their family in Mexico,which is why so many of them live in a compound setting.As for them taking jobs away from Americans,that's just ignorance speaking.It has been proven time and time again that they're doing the work nobody wants to do.I'm drawing unemployment and I don't want the jobs they have.But if I had to do their work,I'd expect a lot more compensation.Look at the cost of groceries.Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket.
Honestly,if we didn't want them here,we should have voted down NAFTA.We can't have our cake and eat it too.

basic_user wrote:

Anyone who thinks illegals have it made here are crazy.Most have a low standard of living.Many also send a large amount of their money back to their family in Mexico,which is why so many of them live in a compound setting.As for them taking jobs away from Americans,that's just ignorance speaking.It has been proven time and time again that they're doing the work nobody wants to do.I'm drawing unemployment and I don't want the jobs they have.But if I had to do their work,I'd expect a lot more compensation.Look at the cost of groceries.Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket.
Honestly,if we didn't want them here,we should have voted down NAFTA.We can't have our cake and eat it too.

You are right about the prices going up. Right now they are unsustainably low and not realistic.
If they charged more they could hire the Americans that are homeless and living under the bridge.

basic_user wrote:

Anyone who thinks illegals have it made here are crazy.Most have a low standard of living.Many also send a large amount of their money back to their family in Mexico,which is why so many of them live in a compound setting.As for them taking jobs away from Americans,that's just ignorance speaking.It has been proven time and time again that they're doing the work nobody wants to do.I'm drawing unemployment and I don't want the jobs they have.But if I had to do their work,I'd expect a lot more compensation.Look at the cost of groceries.Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket.
Honestly,if we didn't want them here,we should have voted down NAFTA.We can't have our cake and eat it too.

"Many people try and paint all illegal Mexicans are farm workers. There are plenty of professionals working in the US with the use of false documents. E-Verify will dig them out. The people who are working with them have no idea that they are illegal aliens.

"Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket."

One of the big talking points that pro-immigration groups make is that our food prices would be much higher if the US did not tolerate the flow of illegal immigrants into the country to work in agriculture. They argue that no American would do the work the illegal immigrants do for the wages they make. It is a myth.

First of all, agriculture is not a labor intensive business. The US supplies all the food it needs, plus exports billion of dollars to other countries, using very few people. In 1870, between 70% and 80% of the US population worked in agriculture. Today, less than 1% of the population works in agriculture. At last count there were only 821,000 people in the US employed in agriculture. This is out of a total civilian workforce of 153,904,000. There are 312,000,000 people in the US and these 821,000 workers produce enough to feed everybody, plus export food to the rest of the world. By 2018, agricultural employment in the US is expected to decrease to 804,400, even though the US population will be increasing.

Here is why. In 1945 it took 14 man-hours to produce 100 bushels of corn on 2 acres of land. By 1987, it took less than 3 man-hours to produce the same 100 bushels of corn on a little more than 1-acre of land. In 2002, the same 100-bushels of corn were produced on less than 1-acre of land. Productivity has reduced the demand for agricultural labor, and made labor more efficient.

An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.5 cents per day. Yet for the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $17,600 to $24,640 per 2000-hour work year. That increase would move the worker from beneath the federal poverty line to above it. In fact, the salary would be higher than the median salary paid by Walmart.

The cost of labor is a very small component of food. Consumers who pay $1 for a pound of apples, or $1 for a head of lettuce, are giving 16 to 19 cents to the farmer and 5 to 6 cents to the farm worker."

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/fulano_...

NY Gay wrote:

<quoted text> Picking vegetables.

"Even more damaging for Big Ag is that the overwhelming number of those who reported hiring fewer farm workers in 2011 blamed the poor economy or the prolonged drought conditions that have existed in Georgia for the past several years. A tiny fraction referred in any way to HB87. For those who hired fewer full-time workers the breakdown was 54 percent economy/weather related, one percent HB87 related. 34 percent hired more workers. For those who hired fewer part-time workers, 40 percent indicated that it was economy/weather related, while seven percent responded that it was HB87 related. 23 percent reported hiring more part-time workers. So even in a survey where large growers are markedly overrepresented, HB87 is at the bottom of a list of complaints."

http://immigrationreform.com/2012/01/17/georg...

Check out this illegal alien knuckle head who has "roots" in NH. Being deported for the 4th time. He's going to keep coming back until he kills someone.

What is it about illegals who think they can drive? I bet half of them are picked up for driving a car. You would think they would learn, take the bus, knuckle heads. Plus he can't speak English, when the police asked for his license he didn't know what they were talking about, like when a adult speaks in a Peanut cartoon, wa, wa,wa, wa, wa.

Facing deportation to Mexico for a fourth time, he has NH roots.(big time felonies) This is never going to live in the US.

"On Jan. 30, Olvera-Corona stood quietly before a federal judge in U.S. District Court in Concord, having previously pleaded guilty to re-entry after deportation, a felony.

With his federal public defender and a court translator at his side, he was sentenced to “time served”— the three months he'd already spent in the Dover jail since his Nov. 2 arrest in New Boston after a traffic stop.

The hearing took less than five minutes. Then the prisoner was taken back to jail to wait for a spot on a plane that will take him and other deportees to the Texas-Mexico border."

Never a shortage of illegal aliens to deport.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120212/N...

Another knuckle head who's living the life of a fake American, just stop driving!

12 Feb 2012

"BRADENTON -- Nine months ago, Roberto Ibarra waved goodbye to his wife and three children as he headed to the Manatee courthouse to deal with a traffic fine.

He was supposed to be in and out in just a few hours.

But when Ibarra walked into the courthouse lobby May 17, he was arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials and deported to Mexico City, the hometown he hadn’t seen in 10 years."

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/02/12/3866684/d...

"In Bradenton, his wife, Maribel, had to make a life-altering decision that many immigrant families face: Stay in the United States for a better future for her children -- including two born in this country -- but remain a divided family; or move to a problem-plagued country to keep the family together."

his wife, Maribel, had to make a life-altering decision, that decision should have been not to get mixed up with a illegal alien and the next one should have been not to have any children with a illegal alien. Would have saved them alot of trouble.

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/02/12/3866684/d...

Then why not just legalize everyone?We would all be citizens and you would have nothing to complain about.Face it:it's all nonsense.I'm third generation American.My great-grandparents immigrated from Ireland.Back then,we were the ones everyone hated.It was not pleasant being Irish in those days.The Italians went through this too.As did the Polish,the Russians,the Japanese.Before we this nation turned it's gaze down upon the Mexicans,it looked down on the blacks.Oh,sorry.I guess I mean African-American.Mexicans will weather the storm until we all rally as a nation and decide what new group we decide is out to get us.When someone figures it out,let me know. BTW,if you look at your family tree,how far back does your American nationality go? I can say for my bloodline maybe 100 years.Not too long really in the history of mankind.100 years is nothing.So what do you think?Has my family been here long enough to afford me immunity?Long enough to give me the right to point at someone and say"No.You can't be here.I stole this land from the Indians fair and square and I ain't sharing!!!!"

NY Gay wrote:

<quoted text> Picking vegetables.

Let's see, I first picked lemons in Santa Barbara around 1964, straw flowers later that year and just about every conceivable fruit and/or vegetable since then. This morning I worked in a green house, worked compost, tended Guinea fowl, hauled garbage and this after noon transplanted three fruit trees.
Try another one.

basic_user wrote:

Then why not just legalize everyone?We would all be citizens and you would have nothing to complain about.Face it:it's all nonsense.I'm third generation American.My great-grandparents immigrated from Ireland.Back then,we were the ones everyone hated.It was not pleasant being Irish in those days.The Italians went through this too.As did the Polish,the Russians,the Japanese.Before we this nation turned it's gaze down upon the Mexicans,it looked down on the blacks.Oh,sorry.I guess I mean African-American.Mexicans will weather the storm until we all rally as a nation and decide what new group we decide is out to get us.When someone figures it out,let me know. BTW,if you look at your family tree,how far back does your American nationality go? I can say for my bloodline maybe 100 years.Not too long really in the history of mankind.100 years is nothing.So what do you think?Has my family been here long enough to afford me immunity?Long enough to give me the right to point at someone and say"No.You can't be here.I stole this land from the Indians fair and square and I ain't sharing!!!!"

Do you think other countries are going to give their countries away because you want to be stupid. They don't care if the US disappears. The US is still the new kid on the block. Many countries are alot older and they got that way by not allowing themselves to be overran by illegal aliens.

China will be the world's largest economy around 2016, passing the US making us the 2nd largest, on our way to the bottom.

People won't be happy until we are just one big lawless Mexico. Then they'll all sit around asking, how did this happen?

This guy should have stayed in Mexico.

"An accident on a Town of Colesville farm leaves one man dead and leads to an immigration bust.

Saturday night first responders were called to Windsor Acres Farm to investigate an accident involving a skid steer.

It was determined that the operator of the machine, German Martinez was being instructed on how to operate the machine by Jenaro Lopez-Batista.

While Batista was instructing Martinez, Martinez raised the front attachment and pinched the upper portion of Batista's body between the hydraulic attachment and the cab of the machine.

Batista was transported to Wilson Hospital were he was pronounced dead, and the death was ruled accidental.

Further investigation by the sheriff's office and the U.S. border patrol determined that three men at the farm had illegally entered the country.

The border patrol detained Martinez, along with Jesus Sebastian and Hernandez for deportation proceedings.

According the sheriff's the immigrants arrived in New York 15 days ago from Mexico and the owner of Windsor Acres Farm claimed to not be aware of their status."

http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp...

basic_user wrote:

Anyone who thinks illegals have it made here are crazy.Most have a low standard of living.Many also send a large amount of their money back to their family in Mexico,which is why so many of them live in a compound setting.As for them taking jobs away from Americans,that's just ignorance speaking.It has been proven time and time again that they're doing the work nobody wants to do.I'm drawing unemployment and I don't want the jobs they have.But if I had to do their work,I'd expect a lot more compensation.Look at the cost of groceries.Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket.
Honestly,if we didn't want them here,we should have voted down NAFTA.We can't have our cake and eat it too.

This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.
Tomatoes and Cheap Labor…….CHEAP TOMATOES?

This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ..

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.
Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
Americans, We need to wake up.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about “political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

spytheweb wrote:

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It's illegal for illegal aliens to do any jobs.
They won't do the job of improving their country so they don't have to sneak out.

They would not be doing any jobs here if Americans were not hiring them.

basic_user wrote:

Anyone who thinks illegals have it made here are crazy.Most have a low standard of living.Many also send a large amount of their money back to their family in Mexico,which is why so many of them live in a compound setting.As for them taking jobs away from Americans,that's just ignorance speaking.It has been proven time and time again that they're doing the work nobody wants to do.I'm drawing unemployment and I don't want the jobs they have.But if I had to do their work,I'd expect a lot more compensation.Look at the cost of groceries.Everyone complains about this.Now think about how expensive it would be if Americans worked in the crop fields.Prices would easily skyrocket.
Honestly,if we didn't want them here,we should have voted down NAFTA.We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Yes, most illegals here are just getting by. However, "just getting by" here is still way better than things were in Mexico for them.