Health Care Debate - Virginia Beach, VA

Unless you have done some serious research on the details of a national health care plan or have lived in another country and have received care under than plan, its difficult to understand. I received minor surgery & dental work under the plan and received excellent care. Under our current health care system, whether you have a hmo or ppo, you still may wait 2 months to see a specialist and a month to have your surgery, and to think that some families are paying 1,000 per month for medical coverage is shocking. Don't you realize the thousands of dollars per year you would be saving ?? People are worried about their taxes going up, are you kidding me ?

Yes we do need reform in the medical arena, we do not need politicians dictating policy. They cannot police themselves much less anything else. If the elected officials are to be our voice in government, why are they ignoring their constituents?

We need To put limits on the insurance companies.
I am disabled and on Medicare.If I could get Medicaid
under this reform,It would be a big help.We also
need more Family Physicians .It should not be
"just about the money".That is the trouble with
The whole country.As someone whose hours are cut
to next to nothing,denied or penalized due to
pre-existing conditions,I think the "status quo
is deplorable and unjust".

I cannot support any government option. It doesn't work with Medicare and Medicaid how will a government option work. It will only increase taxes and raise the defecit. If the government wants to "fix" health care, then work on the high cost of services and insurance.

I do not believe health care should be controlled by the government.Congressmen have not even read the bill and where is the money coming from to pay for it.Just another trick of the marxist leaning obama and his congrssional socialist gang

My opposition is based on freedom of choice, with the government we will be mandated to have insurance.Generations will be paying for this debacle.

USA Health Care, in it's current state, is a far reaching rip off.

The health care system just need a tweek in some areas not a compleate expensive overhaul

To all the Glen Beck Clowns:

How high can you go?

It doesn't matter what the Republicans think today because the will of the people will soon be busted by thses numbers.

In a 1980 article in the New England Journal of Medicine, the former editor in chief of the journal, Arnold Relman,M.D. coined the phrase "medical industrial complex," suggested by President Dwight D. Eisenhower's "military industrial complex."

Eisenhower had warned that rampant commerialization of national defense would lead to nothing less than war for the sake of profit, and Relman feared that " a new investor-owned industry that was providing health-care services for profit might reshape... the system itself."

Even this dire prediction was an understatement. The profit structure of American health care now drives the entire system. This becomes clear just by looking at the astonishing and frightening economic growth of the medical-industrial complex over the past sixty years.

1950, 8 billion
1960, 27 billion
1970, 75 billion
1980, 212 billion
1989, 604 billion
2000, 1.2 trillion (approximate)
2009, 2.5 trillion

Estimated Future Growth

2012, 3.1 trillion
2015, 4 trillion

Glen Beck Clowns:

You can't dispute these cost factors.
Your system does not work and is not sustainable.
You don't have the best health care even at a reasonable price, much less for the price your paying.
Your health care rating is near the bottom of the top forty nations.
America was rated twenty-ninth in infant mortality.
In an eight country ranking, the United States came in last in years of potential life expectancy among people at age sixty.
You think your so smart you still want a system based on profit, because God for bid you might think your s socialist.

Glen Beck Clowns:

Opponents would have us believe that countries with national plans have only the vaguest, most antiquated understanding of how to care for the health of their citizens and that their systems are bureaucratic nightmares. These arguments are as tired as they are false. America's system is by far the most paperwork-heavy and expensive to administer. And our ability to deliver the primary health has been crippled by our emphasis on specialization, which is far more focused on short-term disease management. Other countries are much better at providing primary care. Sorry,but it's true.

The idea that a free democratic society should gurantee all of its citizens access to health care--a firmly established principle in the other democracies of the world--has not yet become part of the culture of the world's oldest democracy. As Americans we should insist that this be corrected. The future of our physical and financial health depends on it

What all the Democrats are doing is nothing other than garnering power using every evilness known to man. From b Hussain o on down the Democratic party including those voting for Democrats, everyone is vastly ignorant. Some argue they are not ignorant. After all just look at their mastery of lying and deception. Think about whether you have ever heard anyone among those ignorant who have expressed any concern about what happens after they die? Their minds are filled with evil and none of them have any concept of truth.

I recently went to a doctor for anxiety. The doctor prescribed anxiety medication. He did not mention the benefits of exercise, diet, or drinking water.

His job relies on me taking the anxiety medication. Our system is based upon getting the patient to return the pharmacist. The thinking needs to change.

TV Man wrote:

Glen Beck Clowns:
Opponents would have us believe that countries with national plans have only the vaguest, most antiquated understanding of how to care for the health of their citizens and that their systems are bureaucratic nightmares. These arguments are as tired as they are false. America's system is by far the most paperwork-heavy and expensive to administer. And our ability to deliver the primary health has been crippled by our emphasis on specialization, which is far more focused on short-term disease management. Other countries are much better at providing primary care. Sorry,but it's true.
The idea that a free democratic society should gurantee all of its citizens access to health care--a firmly established principle in the other democracies of the world--has not yet become part of the culture of the world's oldest democracy. As Americans we should insist that this be corrected. The future of our physical and financial health depends on it

And it never should if you want some thing earn it do not demand othere that do work pay for your lazieness. The cost of health care has risen drasticaly so has the population of lazy uninsured people like 12 to 30 million ILLEGAL aliens so get some real facts before spouting your half truths. Socialism will only work as long as the people are stupid enough to work to pay for others that do not want to work. Eventualy everyone will get smart enough not to work and suck off the public teet. So who then will be paying the bills. You have a right to quality healh care right now you also have a right to eat dress warmly or not. It is just expected thet you earn your own money to pay for it.

To Guardian:

I don't disagree with one thing you said.
But you need to understand medical care is not in the channel of business best utilized by the free market.

In the normal channel of distribution products are sold based on price vs's value.

In the free market products are not about life or death. Medicine is.
This is why health care does not fit the normal format of capitalism. And here's why.

Insurance is for profit, which is only achieved by denying or giving less for more.
In medicine this is a walking time bomb.

Sorry but our system is non-sustainable.
At first it worked, but when it got cheap, the demand past the supply.
And you know what happens when demand surpasses supply, everything goes up.

So what is needed? Less government and less insurance.
Everyone needs to pay something, no more free health care.
Only then will prices begin to come down.
Stop going to the doctor for every little thing.
Don't panic at every little thing.
And live with non-chronic diseases.
Stop pushing up the demand and take care of yourself.
Just like buying cars that get good gas ml., shut down the demand for more fuel.
Only then will we stop costs from going up at a price we are willing to pay.

TV Man wrote:

To Guardian:
I don't disagree with one thing you said.
But you need to understand medical care is not in the channel of business best utilized by the free market.
In the normal channel of distribution products are sold based on price vs's value.
In the free market products are not about life or death. Medicine is.
This is why health care does not fit the normal format of capitalism. And here's why.
Insurance is for profit, which is only achieved by denying or giving less for more.
In medicine this is a walking time bomb.
Sorry but our system is non-sustainable.
At first it worked, but when it got cheap, the demand past the supply.
And you know what happens when demand surpasses supply, everything goes up.
So what is needed? Less government and less insurance.
Everyone needs to pay something, no more free health care.
Only then will prices begin to come down.
Stop going to the doctor for every little thing.
Don't panic at every little thing.
And live with non-chronic diseases.
Stop pushing up the demand and take care of yourself.
Just like buying cars that get good gas ml., shut down the demand for more fuel.
Only then will we stop costs from going up at a price we are willing to pay.

So food is either not part of the free market or you can live without eating?

Need reform

Guardian:

Of course you can't live without food, what does that have to do with insurance.
At least we can grow our own food, but why should we.

It is time for The People to stop looking for the government to bail them out for every failure in their lives, and take personal responsiblity for themselves.

TO DOUG:

I agree, and that means everyone pays for insurance.
We don't need insurers to support non-insurers.
We need everyone to pay something.