Health Care Debate - St. Louis, MO

Absolutely not. The US Government is highly wasteful, corrupt, and now invite it into every American's health care? Nothing is more sacred and private than our own bodies and minds. Not to mention the fact that 85-90% have health insurance... so, 85-90% of us are doing fine by our own effort; 10-15% are not. Where will entitlement and promotion of entitlement end? SOCIALISM, which will KILL the US as we know it. Look around you... freedom of speech is being eroded, freedom of religion is being eroded, which are fundamental to the support of socialism. Obama and his ilke will destroy this country, its values, etc. because of ignorant, selfish, life-hating minions AND selfish, soul-less congressmen/women.

The day we bailed out Wall Street, Banks, and the auto industry we became socialists. No follows the Constitution anymore, so we really don't have many rights. Look at law enforcement powers, Patriot Act, suspension of Habeus Corpus. Good Luck to all Americans!!! Traitors are running the country both Democrats and Republicans, Lobbyists, and big business.

The facts support it. Costs are going out of control. The US has the most absurd group benefit system in the world that benefit only the employed, making for economic inefficiencies throughout the economy.
Then you get the conforming ignorant mouthing off.

jsk wrote:

The facts support it. Costs are going out of control. The US has the most absurd group benefit system in the world that benefit only the employed, making for economic inefficiencies throughout the economy.
Then you get the conforming ignorant mouthing off.

More fodder from a mental eunuch.

I don't want bigger government.

Everything this governing body touches cost our grandchildren more money. They will have to work 70 hour/6 day weeks just to keep up. Show me anything that the government has gotten their fingers into that has helped anyone but the politicians.
If they would have kepted their fingers out of Social Security the money would still be there to support it for a long time. It became a borrowing tool for some special projects then it was treated like general revenue. Same thing with the transportation department now we don't have enough money to fix our roads.
If they take over the insurance none of us will have the coverage for anything and we will be told what we can have and when we can have it if at all.

This is America and I feel that every american should be able to have health insurance, people should not have to die due to the fact, they can't afford health insurance.The people that are against this plan would feel differently if they are a family member had a chronic illiness and could not be treated because they did not have health insurance.

Hazel wrote:

This is America and I feel that every american should be able to have health insurance, people should not have to die due to the fact, they can't afford health insurance.The people that are against this plan would feel differently if they are a family member had a chronic illiness and could not be treated because they did not have health insurance.

I have a family member who does not have insurance and he has stage 4 lung cancer. Yes I wish he had but he couldn't afford it and he has been on disability for about 15 years. He is getting treatment and is being made comfortable and his doctors are very humane and kind. Everyone gets treated and is not turned away from the hospitals. Is is good health care YES is it the best system NO but the government hasn't come up with a solution that will work without harming the small business owner and middle America. Why is it always the American public that is the hard workers, that have to pay for the governments ideas of perfect order. Take care of the low percentage that doesn't have insurance and want, not the folks who want everything free and given to them on a silver platter. I work hard and work for the state if this thing goes through the state workers will be forced to take this and then we will have substandard care. Someday God willing I will get old and nobody has the right to tell me if I can have a surgery just because I might not have many productive years to pay taxes anymore.

It just will not work!

•Right now we have many hundreds of payers.
•They are called insurance corporations.
•We would get rid of them.
•And replace them with a single payer.
•Instead of paying premiums to private for profit insurance companies like Aetna, CIGNA, and Wellpoint,
we would all pool our money into one public insurance pool.
•We would be paying the same or less than we are paying now.
•Save $400 billion a year in administrative overhead, waste and profits.
•Use that money to insure everyone -- cradle to grave.
•You get an insurance card.
•And it gets you into to see any doctor or any hospital.
•Anywhere in the country.
•No bills. No co-pays. No deductibles.
•No more bankruptcies from medical bills.
•No more 60 Americans dead a day due to lack of health insurance (according to an Institute of Medicine report.)
•As Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine puts it, single payer is not only the best health care reform, it's the only health care reform that will both control costs and cover everyone.
•Single payer.
•Everybody in.
•Nobody out.

I retired from the healthcare industry and there is so much money not covering health care NOW, hospitals are buying up medical practices, medical buildings, building more hospitals, paying big money for administrators and not adequately staffing. Drug companies are buying computers, lunches, giving samples and kick backs out like candy to kids for the doctors and hospitals. YOU are paying for these excessive expenses that do nothing for your treatments, it padding pockets. More money goes out for these expenses than you or anyone will get for actual medical care. Insurance companies, pharmacy companies, hospitals and medical practices are the ones fighting the health care proposals and not coming clean at how much "profit" they will miss if these proposals pass. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AND BE ABLE TO BE TREATED HUMANELY. I have seen many people who need treatment and denied it because they have no insurance and can't get it.

Another prospective of uncontrollable and immoral use of tax payers hard earned money. This government the way it is set up now will not and has no notion of what needs to be done to help the average person in the United States. All they can see is a big picture of these large sums of money that they are not having access to and they want their fingers in that pie.
Until we the average people stand up and put a stop to the abuses by voting in individuals who are truly for the people and not themselves we will not see any kind of legislature that is truly a solution to the problems.
I have no confidence in the present Congress or Presidential office. Can't say it was any better before either.
But we are going to have to let this present governing body know that we cannot and will not accept these kind of conditions in the present bills being written.

I do want everyone with whom I am in contact to have health care insurance and thereby health care. All for the common good.

You say you want "All for the common good." What about your neighbor who is trying to raise a family on their small business. They have put their savings, time and sweat to making it profitable so they can live on the income. They are a small business remember, now the government says that you are going to have to pay for insurance for the small number of employees that you have. Now by doing this you no longer have a cash reserve to cover supplies, gas for maybe a vehicle, utility cost,(computers, phones,). What about if it is a business that is seosonal or is geared around certain times of the year?
*If you cover insurance for these people how do you stay in business and if this healthcare program goes into effect and OBAMA gets his way and fines you because you don't cover them.*Where does the money come from to pay the fine?
This country was built on just this type of small companies.
*If there could be discounts for these companies to get the same type of insurance coverage that the large companies do would this not be better than penalizing the small one?
*We don't need the government to get their fingers into anymore of our business. We need to take care of our own.
*How many of the common good have already lost their jobs, small businesses and your neighbors are still without a job or cannot find a company to go to work for that will give you insurance because of the structures that the now government puts on them?

to have cell phones, satelite TV, fancy cars, name brand clothes, fake fingernails, cigarettes, etc, etc, etc, maybe they could afford insurance. I live in a very poor area, and most of the people have all of those things and MORE! People have their priorities all screwed up. Everyone thinks they need to have the latest and greatest, but then want the govt to give them money for the basics, like food, healthcare, childcare. We have become a society of beggars. If someone has more than me its because they figured out a way to EARN more than me. Where has American ingenuity gone? People need to stop complaining and educate themselves, start their own business, figure out a way to make a living for their family. Its not easy, I know, becasue I did it; all as a single mom with two young kids. If I can do it, anyone can. There's nothing special about me except I didnt lay around and complain how unfair life was.

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to have cell phones, satelite TV, fancy cars, name brand clothes, fake fingernails, cigarettes, etc, etc, etc, maybe they could afford insurance. I live in a very poor area, and most of the people have all of those things and MORE! People have their priorities all screwed up. Everyone thinks they need to have the latest and greatest, but then want the govt to give them money for the basics, like food, healthcare, childcare. We have become a society of beggars. If someone has more than me its because they figured out a way to EARN more than me. Where has American ingenuity gone? People need to stop complaining and educate themselves, start their own business, figure out a way to make a living for their family. Its not easy, I know, becasue I did it; all as a single mom with two young kids. If I can do it, anyone can. There's nothing special about me except I didnt lay around and complain how unfair life was.

You are right the American culture has become a country of MEISM. They do not want to wait to save up for anything, they do not want to have to pay for the services that they used, nor do they want to own up to the mistakes that they have made.
That is why people like you and me who are working and will continue to work for all that we have and will have are looked upon as the rich, and the lazy ones want us to continue to pay for their excesses.

Proud American wrote:

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You are right the American culture has become a country of MEISM. They do not want to wait to save up for anything, they do not want to have to pay for the services that they used, nor do they want to own up to the mistakes that they have made.
That is why people like you and me who are working and will continue to work for all that we have and will have are looked upon as the rich, and the lazy ones want us to continue to pay for their excesses.

your both right,i spent 40 yrs working a service job at big name grocery stores all over st.louis ,illinois.you see every kind of people there and you often see how they pay for items,cash,credit,food stamps,etc.you see them in expensive clothes and cosmetics paying with your tax money it is sickening.in certain areas you constantly get asked for money,cigarettes.if you really want to get irritated go to claton,mo.to the big name store and sit on the bench by the checklanes for a while and notice people well dressed paying with foodstamps and driving expensive cars,they are new in this country and just because thier relatives that they stay with are wealthy they can get food stamps,i've seen people i can tell need help and thats fine but this system (government) is a runaway train and us tax slaves are paying for it.

make the plan foolproof first,we all know who all of the opportunist cheating beggars are that rip off the food stamp programs,hud programs etc.etc.

Mad Medicaid Nurse says: I am in the homes of these people daily. I see the mindset. GIMME GIMME GIMME. You don't believe me? I challenge you to accompany me to work for 1 day, where I go into approximately 8-10 medicaid patient homes. You will lose any faith in humanity.

Not all humanity, just the ones who will do just about anything, from having false addresses, borrow others children, doctor shop, and fill out false documents to get anything free. This is a MEISM (said before) culture and it will not get better until these programs are reworked not taken over by another broken system (government)but reworked to weed out these particular lazy a**, money sucking leaches. I have 2 of these same in my family and believe me they don't come around the rest of the family because we call them out. I have even called the government offices to turn them in and nothing is done. You talk about frustrating.