Health Care Debate - Springboro, OH

bad bill

only those working will ultimately pay for all of this..thus increasing our taxes

This will cost the average working american 15% of their income. How many of you can afford this?
They can call it a tax, a levy, a fine, a fee ., makes no difference. Its still going to cost you and me!

waste of money. start smaller!

I wen to get my blood draw today.There were 3 receptionists.I gave my name and paperwork to them as they were eating breakfast.I waited over an hour and was called int the blood draw room where yet another person with a ring on her lip took my blood sample and in five minutes ,I was done.Cost of 174 dollars.I took the sample to my Doctor,who has a small army of redundant help,but the only one that pisses me is the receptionist.Her job is to answer the telephone but she acts like she is in charge of the whole office,but if you call,its always on voicemail.This office call costs 174 dollars even though I now only get to see a Nurse Practitioner same as if I saw a real Doctor.My Doctor does what I call the roundy pounder system.She has six rooms all with patients in them for one hour,she then rotates from one to another spending five minutes with each patients and chargeing each 174 dollars.Then they all go to lunch from 12 noon until 2PM.Do the same thing until 4PM,then go home.I am sure they are exausted from the constant telephone conversations with their friends and relatives.

Yes ,I support President Obamas Universal Healthcare plan.Our current system is dictated by the for profit Insurance companys.They dont give a damn if we live or die as long as they can keep all their relatives in high paying redundant jobs.Our current system is 90per cent waste.

sam wrote:

Yes ,I support President Obamas Universal Healthcare plan.Our current system is dictated by the for profit Insurance companys.They dont give a damn if we live or die as long as they can keep all their relatives in high paying redundant jobs.Our current system is 90per cent waste.

Do you think the government, who will be running the universal plan, gives a damn whether you live or die? It will go from one giant uncaring system to another. Same waste, different entity in charge.

independent wrote:

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Do you think the government, who will be running the universal plan, gives a damn whether you live or die? It will go from one giant uncaring system to another. Same waste, different entity in charge.

Soooo you say do nothing?

Why has no one ever mention the high fees the doctors and hospitals charge? When our insurance say they have charged too much for something the doctor/hospital will "settle" for a lesser amount. Why did they just charge the lesser amount to begin with? I know when I had my son I was "self pay" (we had saved for our son) and as soon as they knew that they dropped prices left and right. I was happy but it did make me thank. They will over charge someone with insurance because they have insurance?! What is that?? In my opinion that is where the whole problem is.

just plain bad

Australia has had Government run health since the 70's and all I can say is thank god that it's around. Times are tough enough without having to worry about your health. Australian taxes foot the bill and we don't mind paying for the disadvantaged. In the end everyone benefits.

Two points: we're already paying for the uninsured at the ER and with Medicaid right? Then why do we need a program that costs and ADDITIONAL $1 trillion to do this? Doesn't make any sense.

Second, Obamacare will insure many additional people who will want healthcare. Meanwhile, there are no provisions for additional doctors, nurses, etc. Plus, healthcare providers will be pinched to save money so there won't be a lot of incentive for new docs to jump in. Healthcare will be rationed simply because of the increased demand for services with no additional service providers.

So if you like low cost insurance with no way to get the service Obamacare is your plan.

Dr Clutz wrote:

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Soooo you say do nothing?

Nothing would be better than forcing this on the people, 80% of which are perfectly happy with their current coverage.

If you do anything do any of the following:

- Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. Bingo, instant competition. Prices drop.
-Change the tax laws so that that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have exactly the same tax benefits.
-Enact tort reform.
-Repeal all government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.
-Remove the legal obstacles which slow the creation of high deductible health insurance plans and Health Savings Accounts.

Do you really want the same government that brought you social security, Am Trak, the Post office,$11 trillion in debt, bank bailouts, and the housing bubble handling your healthcare?

Stunned Reader wrote:

]Nothing would be better than forcing this on the people, 80% of which are perfectly happy with their current coverage.

Show me where this will be done.
Well then face the families that have had loved ones die due to denial of claims from insurance companies.
http://cbs5.com/business/cigna.transplant.sar... THERE IS THE RAEL DEATH PANEL!

If you do anything do any of the following:

- Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. Bingo, instant competition. Prices drop.

That is a good idea. I am not sure why they set up such rules except that the Insurance companies wanted an Oligpially(sp). From what I hear they are exempt under current anti trust laws regarding monopolies.

-Change the tax laws so that that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have exactly the same tax benefits.

What basically do you want to see?

-Enact tort reform.

Yes but do it in a way that the incompetent providers are permantely removed from the system.

-Repeal all government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.

Will lead to even worse cherry picking.

Do you really want the same government that brought you social security, Am Trak, the Post office,$11 trillion in debt, bank bailouts, and the housing bubble handling your healthcare?

Ask your Grandma about SS. I think she likes it and medicare. If you want to blame its cost on anyone blame Nixon for borrowing from the trust fund to pay for Vietnam.

Show me where this will be done.

The effect of an unaccountable govt with a never ending supply of money (mostly printed at will) puts them at a very big advantage over those in the private sector. By imposing regulation after regulation on private sector companies they will effectively drive them out of business when all you are left with is the govt option.

Well then face the families that have had loved ones die due to denial of claims from insurance companies.
http://cbs5.com/business/cigna.transplant.sar... THERE IS THE RAEL DEATH PANEL!

Yet you don’t post the articles where rationing and lines in govt run systems have resulted in the same. Not to mention cost. Look at MA for how well this govt run experiment is working out.

That is a good idea. I am not sure why they set up such rules except that the Insurance companies wanted an Oligpially(sp). From what I hear they are exempt under current anti trust laws regarding monopolies.

They set it up this way to artificially drive prices up and get to the point where we are now, with higher prices than need be, but for the lack of competition.

What basically do you want to see?

I just listed what I want to see.

Yes but do it in a way that the incompetent providers are permanently removed from the system.
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The free market will see to that. It happens every day, except in govt where incompetence breeds incompetence the answer to which is pump more money in to it thereby breeding…you guessed it, more incompetence.

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Will lead to even worse cherry picking.

These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

Ask your Grandma about SS. I think she likes it and medicare. If you want to blame its cost on anyone blame Nixon for borrowing from the trust fund to pay for Vietnam.

I have, she likes both to the extent she paid in to them and expects some return. Grandma would have much preferred taking every cent of money withheld from her checks for SS and invested it on her own. She’d be far better off. Can say the exact same for medicare? Are you so afraid of investing your own money that you would leave it to the govt to invest for you?
Look, you think healthcare is expensive now? Just wait till it’s free.

Lerxst wrote:

The effect of an unaccountable govt with a never ending supply of money (mostly printed at will) puts them at a very big advantage over those in the private sector. By imposing regulation after regulation on private sector companies they will effectively drive them out of business when all you are left with is the govt option.

Hmm...How about Amtrack and the railroads. Govt. sure put them out of business. USPS is kickin Fed Ex and UPS around.

Lerxst wrote:

Yet you don’t post the articles where rationing and lines in govt run systems have resulted in the same. Not to mention cost.

I thought I would leave that up to you.

Look at MA for how well this govt run experiment is working out.

It just started out. At least they are trying something rather than ringing hands and losing tempers. LOL

morris wrote:

Two points: we're already paying for the uninsured at the ER and with Medicaid right?

A small percentage are the homeless who don't pay. Others are those that do get on a payment plan with providers only to lose their homes due to the high costs charged so as to subsidize those who have insurance to keep premiums low.

morris wrote:

healthcare providers will be pinched to save money

Well it's about time! They'll call it squeezed. Makes it sound more awfull.

dalee wrote:

This will cost the average working american 15% of their income. How many of you can afford this?
They can call it a tax, a levy, a fine, a fee ., makes no difference. Its still going to cost you and me!

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