Health Care Debate - Seattle, WA

because we need to fix our system NOW

We need a change and any change is better then sitting on one's butt and praying for something to happen. This man at least is at least trying to make a change were others do nothing but make more excuses to drag their feet and do nothing. It took years for this all to happen so give him some time to undo the mess.

this is terrible and many will pay the price

Helping people who are sick is simply the right thing to do. No one should face poverty because they get sick.

I would never trust the government. Are you crazy. How foolish could one be ?

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Johnny wrote:

I would never trust the government. Are you crazy. How foolish could one be ?
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Yeah, they did horrible jobs with
Hoover Dam
Grand Coolie Dam
The Interstate Highway System
National Parks

.... Oh wait .... those worked pretty good didn't they??

I absolutely applaud Obama trying to get something done on this issue. It takes a lot of courage to give a crap about something that shakes up the status quo and will benefit this country in the long term despite some short term problems.

BUT, even though I support both the effort and the plan, I fear more and more as the plan is scaled back and changed that what we end up with will only be moderately better than what we have and will end up penalizing the middle class even more. The poor will get subsidized care, illegals will get free care, the rich can afford their care no problem but the middle class will be forced to shell out even more money that they increasingly do not have. I support the change, but just like mandatory car insurance, it is another mandatory chunk of money that somehow the middle class will for forced to cough up.

Edd wrote:

I absolutely applaud Obama trying to get something done on this issue. It takes a lot of courage to give a crap about something that shakes up the status quo and will benefit this country in the long term despite some short term problems.
BUT, even though I support both the effort and the plan, I fear more and more as the plan is scaled back and changed that what we end up with will only be moderately better than what we have and will end up penalizing the middle class even more. The poor will get subsidized care, illegals will get free care, the rich can afford their care no problem but the middle class will be forced to shell out even more money that they increasingly do not have. I support the change, but just like mandatory car insurance, it is another mandatory chunk of money that somehow the middle class will for forced to cough up.

Its obvious you are a total suck a*s and a complete idiot. Obama is another George Bush only worse. Please go to school and get an education.

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Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Yeah, they did horrible jobs with
Hoover Dam
Grand Coolie Dam
The Interstate Highway System
National Parks
.... Oh wait .... those worked pretty good didn't they??

Obama is just another puppet like Bush.

How dare he try to force us to do anything against our will. This is like nazism. Obama is an evil monster just like Bush. Bilderberg Obama the NAZI Satanist.

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

Helping people who are sick is simply the right thing to do. No one should face poverty because they get sick.

Its just a power play to take away our rights.
You are one stupid idiot. Obama is just like Adolf Hitler. He is worse than Bush.

Ray wrote:

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Obama is just another puppet like Bush.

Other than hope beyond all rationality, there is no reason to doubt that.

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Other than hope beyond all rationality, there is no reason to doubt that.

Obama is a NEW WORLD ORDER puppet just like Bush and Reagan. He admits its. He works for the bank of England , NOT America. His only goal is to enslave us and then kill us in the FEMA camps. His only goal is complete genocide.

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Ray wrote:

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Its just a power play to take away our rights.
You are one stupid idiot. Obama is just like Adolf Hitler. He is worse than Bush.

No,

Helping people who are sick is simply the right thing to do. No one should face poverty because they get sick.

I don't care who the president is. That is a fact.

Ray: I have one simple question for you. Do you like health care as it is now?

Do you like a system that leads to medical bankruptcy as the number one type of bankruptcy in the country? Do you like a system that tries its hardest to disqualify you for even the slightest, hair brained reason to deny benefits? Do you like a system that forces people to the emergency room, the most expensive type of care, over actually receiving preventative care? Do you like a system that puts America down at the bottom of quality for industrialized nations while at the same time expending more per capita than countries that outrank us?

If you read my post, I did not say that the plan Obama is currently proposing is ideal, but merely that it is better than what we have at present.

So maybe you should quit the mudslinging and attempt intelligent debate. Try telling us how you would change the system for the better?

If you cannot or will not, then I have to assume that it will be obvious that YOU are a total idiot and complete suck a*s as you so eloquently wrote.

He will take away our choice. The one world government wants to limit how many vitamins we take. It's coming. He's a beast in the henhouse,

Steamer wrote:

He will take away our choice. The one world government wants to limit how many vitamins we take. It's coming. He's a beast in the henhouse,

That's not what this says;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/

I think you are lying. Are you a republitard?

I love this illusion of choice regarding health care that many posters in this forum seem to think they have.

First, most people get their healthcare through their work. Typically, most employers say here you are, this is the healthcare provider we use. Big choice there, you either take it or go buy your own.

I suppose the rich have a true choice, but the poor and probably many if not most of the middle class really don't have many options if any.

Second, the choice Obama is trying to put forward would be cheaper and therefore more affordable. Is that really such a horrible thing? No one has to choose the cheap public option or the health co op option. If anything, it ADDS another choice which means more options.

Lastly, all HMO's already make decisions for you. Do you want that elective surgery.....not covered. Do you want to exceed the maximum lifetime benefits....not covered. Did you just discover you have cancer and they revoke your policy because you didn't disclose an ingrown toenail you had in the sixth grade....not covered. This BS has been going on for decades.

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Ray wrote:

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Its just a power play to take away our rights.
You are one stupid idiot. Obama is just like Adolf Hitler. He is worse than Bush.

Take away our right to do what exactly?? Die of cancer in the street?